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The term 'day of the Lord' has a strongly Old Testament ring to it, which would suggest a relation to Israel and future events on earth.

Blessings.

It is a future event, connected to Judgment and the release of the 6th Seal. I am not sure how this connection can not be understood. The Day of the Lord is a very specific day and every where the Day of the Lord is mentioned it is very specific events that happen. None have happened yet, or we would not have stars.

This is called the Day of The Lord here in 1 Thessalonians, and the Day of Christ in 2 Thessalonians.

Both are the same thing and deal with the Coming of the Lord and the gathering of His people.

If I recall correctly. The day of the Lord is darkness, judgment. It's not the same day as the Day of OUR Lord Jesus Christ.

Mike.


Yes a Day of darkness with no Sun, moon or stars.

For Them Judgment.

For us salvation.


JLB
 
Yes a Day of darkness with no Sun, moon or stars.

For Them Judgment.

For us salvation.

For you, yes................ Homie won't be around for the 6th seal, but watching with the rest of the Brothers and Sisters, wide screen in Heaven with popcorn. Our Job was already done, we got this Word out all over the World. Those left rejected the Word of God, and the Salvation of our Lord Jesus.

For the rest of you, How "THE DAY OF THE LORD" can be a past event? Seriously. We still have stars? Hello?

Again a 24 hour day or a thousand year day? but with no sun how is time measured?

I am going to assume that clocks will still be working. The one day is a 1,000 years is a key connected to the end event in Peter. The Lord is mindful we are but just a vapor here for a short time. A day is a day is a day, unless we are looking at what the key is connected to.

Mike.
 
For the rest of you, How "THE DAY OF THE LORD" can be a past event? Seriously. We still have stars? Hello?


16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4

and again -

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31

and again -

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


ALL THE SAME THING; DAY OF THE LORD OR DAY OF CHRIST.

SAME LORD, SAME DAY, SAME RESULT.


JLB
 
Re: At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

In dealing with the subject of the Day of the Lord or the Lord's Day, however one wishes to say it, we must be careful with our assumptions and let scripture paint the picture for us.

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=33316&p=495374&viewfull=1#post495374

As illustrated in the above passages, the Day of the Lord is a time, not necessarily 1 day, but a time when His judgment is fulfilled. It is also NOT always used in reference to the end of time has most believe today. It was often written about in what can be termed as "apocalytical literature'. Could these "mini apocalyses" be signs of a greater apocalyse that will occur at the end of days? Maybe, but as always if one wishes to study a text whether it is scriptural or not, context in key. Let us not make the mistake of pulling passages out of their historical contexts to fit into our modern dogmas. From here, let's fast forward to the Revelation that God gave to Jesus the Anointed One, to show His slaves the things that must quickly take place as recorded by John. He began by saying the following:

I (John) am your brother… I’m someone who shares in your persecutions, and in the Kingdom and endurance of Jesus. I’m on this island called Patmos for talking about God and for testifying about Jesus. It was through the Breath [of God] that I found myself in the Lord’s Day.
 
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Homie won't be around for the 6th seal, but watching with the rest of the Brothers and Sisters, wide screen in Heaven with popcorn.


lol, Mike you have an imaginative mind so maybe you can imagine this.

You walk up to the disciples and say, "Hey Homie, do you want some popcorn?"
They would have no idea what Homie meant or what popcorn was. They might even think you were being rude and walk on the other side of the street. Or lay hands on you!
Is it at all possible that you don't have any idea what, the sun, moon, and stars, when used as it was, meant something very different to them then the actual physical sun, moon, and stars?
Jesus, was Hebrew (Jew) speaking to Hebrews (Jews). Just out of respect to the words of our Lord, should we not TRY to understand the Jewishness of many of His words and teachings.
 
For the rest of you, How "THE DAY OF THE LORD" can be a past event? Seriously. We still have stars? Hello?


16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4

This scripture points to the very beginning of the day, and that the rapture of the church is what begins the day. It also comes before the beginning of the 70th week, or "trib."

and again -

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31

This is well along in the Day of the Lord, after 7 plus years.


and again -

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

Here Paul is writing how anyone can KNOW beyond any shadow of doubt, that they are IN the Day of the Lord, and it has already started. How? First the one restraining the revealing of the man of sin must be departed or removed out of the way [the rapture of the church], and then the man of sin IS Revealed. When one sees that the man of sin is revealed for who he really is, then then can KNOW the Day has started and they are in that day.

ALL THE SAME THING; DAY OF THE LORD OR DAY OF CHRIST.

SAME LORD, SAME DAY, SAME RESULT.

JLB

Rather, different TIMES during that extended Day of the Lord, with different results at different times.

Lecoop
 
Is it at all possible that you don't have any idea what, the sun, moon, and stars, when used as it was, meant something very different to them then the actual physical sun, moon, and stars?
Jesus, was Hebrew (Jew) speaking to Hebrews (Jews). Just out of respect to the words of our Lord, should we not TRY to understand the Jewishness of many of His words and teachings.

I would have looked into that of course. The Sword is the Word of God we are told. There are many things the Word uses to compare spiritual things. Your right, we do have to keep that in mind.

However, we are not given a key to it and it's repeated in several places connecting the exact phrase "The Day of the Lord" So is God hiding something? No, nothing that is hid that shall not be manifested neither is anything kept secret. It's all plain and easy for man to understand.

I have to have a very good reason, a Scripture that tells me that the Sun, Moon and stars are not literal. It would be somewhere as all the Keys to these things are somewhere.

Jesus said I come with a Sword................................ Eph tells us the Sword is the Word of God. God's Word always gives us these Keys, tells us exactly what to count and the key. We mess up when we get to counting and making things spiritual when the Word never tells us to do so.


Day of the Lord​

Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

1) Makes people Howl!!!! (Not a good thing)
2) Is Destruction from God (Almighty) himself.
3) Man's hearts melt.

Men's hearts failing:

Luk_21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

4) Destruction of Sinners out of the Land.

Isa 13:10
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

This event takes place in the Heavens and the constellations. That leaves no spiritual thing on earth to compare. It's an actual event in Heaven.

Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

5) Just as in ISA....... Stars fall, sun dark, moon dark. Jesus coming. Judgment day.

Sinners destroyed from the Land

Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Isa 34:8
For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

6) Parts of the Earth completely ruined forever and ever.

Eze_13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

7) The day of the Lord brings the final battle in Israel. The Battle of Armageddon.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.


Jer_46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.


Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


The day of the Lord shall be Dark, no sun, moon......... NO STARS.


Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Amo 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

So Deborah......... How can all this have happened, and nobody record a thing?

Mike.
 
The day of the Lord shall be Dark, no sun, moon......... NO STARS.


I haven't seen where one person has said that "that day of the Lord" has happened already. We are all expecting the "final day of the Lord".
Whether one is pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib or no trib. We are all expecting the final "coming of the Lord". That "Day".
I could be mistaken though? Can you direct me to a post?

I haven't studied Amos well enough to comment, I'll have to read it all again. Last time I read it in full, I had a very different understanding of end times.
 
This wonderous conversation has led me to think on these things from Eze 37...

The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, and caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
As a type it certainly has significance but spiritually I believe that to be an allegory of Israel being restored and God's work going on in them. 1 Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Something I have not put together before is this in Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

I will look further into this sometime as time allows, but doesn't this sound like that which occurred in Matthew 27:52-53 where many came out of their graves and appeared into many?

Ezekiel 37:11 says that these bones are the whole house of Israel. So with respect to Matthew 27 I would say that this is once again a demonstration of the power of God and not a complete fulfillment. The word of God is a two edged sword in this sense imo..

I believe that Matthew 19 shows us the entire house of Israel in the REGENERATION, when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of His glory, His twelve Apostles ruling over the twelve tribes of Israel.. and I would also expect to see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all there at His table, in His Kingdom, in that Day, when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.

Gotta run, talk later... great stuff imo.
I agree Ezekiel Chapter Thirty-seven is speaking of the restoration of Israel though could we say Mat 27:52-53 was sort of a first-fruit of that to come?
 
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 4) Destruction of Sinners out of the Land. Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. This event takes place in the Heavens and the constellations. That leaves no spiritual thing on earth to compare. It's an actual event in Heaven.

As far as what's described occuring off of the Earth; you sure about that? The vision of Isaiah 13 was not an "end times" vision according to Isaiah it was a vision against ancient Babylon (Isaiah 13:1, 17-19).
 
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 4) Destruction of Sinners out of the Land. Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. This event takes place in the Heavens and the constellations. That leaves no spiritual thing on earth to compare. It's an actual event in Heaven.

As far as what's described occuring off of the Earth; you sure about that? The vision of Isaiah 13 was not an "end times" vision according to Isaiah it was a vision against ancient Babylon (Isaiah 13:1, 17-19).

4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, Like that of many people! A tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together! The Lord of hosts musters The army for battle. 5 They come from a far country, From the end of heaven-- The Lord and His weapons of indignation, To destroy the whole land. 6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty. 7 Therefore all hands will be limp, Every man's heart will melt, 8 And they will be afraid. Pangs and sorrows will take hold of them; They will be in pain as a woman in childbirth; They will be amazed at one another; Their faces will be like flames. 9 Behold, the day of the Lord comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it. 10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in its going forth, And the moon will not cause its light to shine. 11 "I will punish the world for its evil, And the wicked for their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold, A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, And the earth will move out of her place, In the wrath of the Lord of hosts And in the day of His fierce anger. Isaiah 13:4-13


An army from heaven?

8 And they will be afraid. Pangs and sorrows will take hold of them; They will be in pain as a woman in childbirth; Isaiah 13:8

Paul says -

3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3


Isaiah 13:10 is a reference to the Day of The Lord, as Paul teaches.


JLB
 
From the Old Testement it is clear that there are many days of The Lord. God always receives His due.

It may be clear to you although it's certainly not clear according to what you post. Are blanket statements without any support useful here ?

Feel free to show us the many 'past tense' days of the LORD which are clear to you.

Amos 5 proclaims a Day of The Lord for the northern kingdom of Israel that was fulfilled through Assyria.

Ezekiel 30 describes the downfall of Egypt at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar as a 'Day of The Lord'.
Jeremiah 46 does the same.

Isaiah 13 describes the fate of the Neo-Babylonian empire in apocalyptic language. A 'Day of The Lord' in which God passed judgment on Babylon and carried out His sentence through Cyrus the Great.

Obadiah 1 proclaims a Day of The Lord for Edom, and today there is no more House of Esau.

The Apostles believed the Day of The Lord foretold by Joel was nigh at hand. Was it to be a global Day of The Lord, or limited to the judgement of a specific culture who had just rejected their Messiah?
 
Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.


Ok I did not Study the whole book, but I read it. I will only mention a couple of things that I saw about that day. First God is speaking about the Nation of Israel being judged. In that day....

Amos 8:9-10 NASV
“It will come about in that day,” declares the Lord God,
That I will make the sun go down at noon
And make the earth dark in [k]broad daylight.
10 “Then I will turn your festivals into mourning
And all your songs into [l]lamentation;
And I will bring sackcloth on everyone’s loins
And baldness on every head.
And I will make it like a time of mourning for an only son,
And the end of it will be like a bitter day.

Amos 9:11-12 NASV
In that day I will raise up the fallen [d]booth of David,
And wall up its breaches;
I will also raise up its ruins
And rebuild it as in the days of old;
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom
And all the [e]nations who are called by My name,”
Declares the Lord who does this.

Does the 8:9 remind you of anything? How about the "booth" = tabernacle in 9:11?
 
I have to have a very good reason, a Scripture that tells me that the Sun, Moon and stars are not literal. It would be somewhere as all the Keys to these things are somewhere.

Jesus said I come with a Sword................................ Eph tells us the Sword is the Word of God. God's Word always gives us these Keys, tells us exactly what to count and the key. We mess up when we get to counting and making things spiritual when the Word never tells us to do so.
In all instances? Okay if you see and understand it that way. In other words all such mentions of the sun, moon, and such things are just metaphors? Blessings :)

Mat_26:52 “Then said Jesus unto him (Peter), Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.†Is Jesus here telling Peter to put down your bible, it’s things such as this that’ll destroy the ear (a simile of his ability to hear?) of that servant of the high priest? :wave
 
Isaiah 13:10 is a reference to the Day of The Lord, as Paul teaches.


Which one? Many days of the Lord are mentioned in scripture so why assume that every mention is a reference to the end of time?
In the first few chapters of Isaiah alone multiple Lord's Days are referenced. In chapter 2:5-18, we read:

Now, O house of Jacob; Come and let’s go to the light of Jehovah, because He has forsaken His people (the house of Jacob). For, just as it was in the beginning, their [land] has become filled up with takers, and Philistine children have been born among them. They’ve filled their [land] with silver and gold, and there’s no limit to all of their wealth. They’ve filled the land up with horses, and the numbers of their chariots have no limits. They have filled up their land, with the disgusting works of their hands; they bow before things that they made with their fingers… then all the people bow down before them, and this brings disgrace to each man. So there’s no way that I will now spare them! So, go to the rocks and hide in the ground, in fear of Jehovah and the glory of His might, for He will arise to devastate the land! Because, the eyes of Jehovah are very high, but the eyes of men are very low; so men will soon become low, and Jehovah will be then be raised high in that day. For the day of Jehovah of Armies, is coming upon the insulting and proud. And those who [think themselves] high and important, will then be brought [to the ground]. 13 Then every tall Lebanese cedar; every tall oak tree of Bashan; 14 every high mountain and every high hill; 15 every high tower and every high wall; 16 every boat in the sea, and the beauty of [all their sails]; 17 and every man will be small. The pride of men will [fall] in that day, and Jehovah alone will be high.18 When He arises to wipe out the land, men will hide all [their idols], which they’ve made with their hands; 19 they’ll hide them in caves, in cracks between rocks, and in burrows that are under the ground, before the fear of Jehovah, and before the glory of His might. 20 Then men will toss all those disgusting things, that they’ve made with their hands (their worthless things made of silver and gold, which they made to bow down before), in front of the bats in their caves, and in the cracks between rocks, in fear of Jehovah and the glory of His might, when He arises to wipe-out the land.

We've already went thru Isaiah 13, so let's skip to Ezekial 30:1-12. It tells us that about yet another Day of the Lord that was focused on Egypt and was to be carried out by the ancient Babylonian Empire led by Nebucchadnezzer.
 
Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.


Ok I did not Study the whole book, but I read it. I will only mention a couple of things that I saw about that day. First God is speaking about the Nation of Israel being judged. In that day....

Amos 8:9-10 NASV
“It will come about in that day,†declares the Lord God,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon
And make the earth dark in [k]broad daylight.
10 “Then I will turn your festivals into mourning
And all your songs into [l]lamentation;
And I will bring sackcloth on everyone’s loins
And baldness on every head.
And I will make it like a time of mourning for an only son,
And the end of it will be like a bitter day.

Amos 9:11-12 NASV
“In that day I will raise up the fallen [d]booth of David,
And wall up its breaches;
I will also raise up its ruins
And rebuild it as in the days of old;
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom
And all the [e]nations who are called by My name,â€
Declares the Lord who does this.

Does the 8:9 remind you of anything? How about the "booth" = tabernacle in 9:11?
[MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION]: This is why I tend regard the term 'day of the Lord' as being linked with Israel and events on earth, whereas the term 'rapture' with the church, occurring in the air.

Blessings.