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The Pros & Cons of Preterism

I agree, but those words are also under the timetable of the man of lawlessness, which has to be revealed, indeed the workings of lawlessness are around and have been even in the time the letter was written, but that specific verse is spoken of within the timeframe of the man of lawlessness, which he has not yet been revealed.

Regardless of which it is, if it is spoken to those who hear the words it doesnt matter if that number is small or large, not only that but it has been given to all who partake in His word since before Christ even came as it is in the passages given to Daniel.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Agreed,which brings us to the subject of the chapter,and why the AD70 theroy is a false doctrine,as far as the way it's been portrayed.....

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

That's the subject,and as you have said the man of sin has not yet been revealed....It's only one person that fits the description and the clue can be found in the word perdition....


II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"


The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].
 
Agreed,which brings us to the subject of the chapter,and why the AD70 theroy is a false doctrine,as far as the way it's been portrayed.....

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

That's the subject,and as you have said the man of sin has not yet been revealed....It's only one person that fits the description and the clue can be found in the word perdition....


II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"


The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].

Are you saying the man of lawlessness is Satan?
I cannot agree if that is what you are saying, but that is why i asked first.
This is why I cannot agree because the man of lawlessness is specifically seperated from Satan, as he recieves his power, throne and great authority from Satan and is actually the first thrown into the lake of fire with the false prophet at the coming fo the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan isnt thrown into the lake of fire until after he is bound and sealed in the bottomless pit for a thousand years and released for a short while, then he joins them in the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Are you saying the man of lawlessness is Satan?
I cannot agree if that is what you are saying, but that is why i asked first.
This is why I cannot agree because the man of lawlessness is specifically seperated from Satan, as he recieves his power, throne and great authority from Satan and is actually the first thrown into the lake of fire with the false prophet at the coming fo the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan isnt thrown into the lake of fire until after he is bound and sealed in the bottomless pit for a thousand years and released for a short while, then he joins them in the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes,that's what Im saying.The man of sin,son of perdition is satan,that's another subject,so I won't discuss it here....
 
Yes,that's what Im saying.The man of sin,son of perdition is satan,that's another subject,so I won't discuss it here....

Thats fine, its being discussed through your other thread so we can discuss it in there if you would prefer.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
You couldn't be more wrong and I hope you are not lost because of what you believe. The same indwelling Holy Spirit that made Peter,James,John, and Paul disciples is the same indwelling Holy Spirit that indwells myself and all others who are children of God by the born again experience. We have the same thing that the first church had because we are all part of that church. God is still saving people today just as God did in the first century.

We can agree that God has been and still is in the business of saving souls from death, BUT we need to recognize that being in the church has very little to do with being saved. The fact is that before being gifted with the indwelling of God's Holy Breath Peter, James, John, and at least NINE OTHERS were already Jesus' disciples. The spirit did not make them disciples, what it did was make them BETTER disciples and it SEALED THEM for a place in Jesus' Kingdom at his very table (Luke 22:28-30). Salvation comes through Jesus, NOT the church and not even Jesus' Ekklesia. Believe it or not, one did/does not even need to be gifted with God's Holy Breath (the Holy Spirit) to receive salvation. The HS was not a mere indicator of salvation, but it was a seal that set apart those given it for an even greater purpose within Jesus' Kingdom. The thief on the cross was promised salvation, but he was not given the gift of Holy Breath. Many of the patriarchs that died before the time of the end of the ages were not gifted with God's Holy Breath but still lived and died anticipating God's salvation.
 
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Okay,let's try this one...Daniel said something that has yet to be addressed,unless I missed it.....

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Increase in knowledge,did this happen in 70AD ?

More has been discovered by science in the last 100 years than had been discovered or invented in the entire precious 6,000 years? Knowledge has been increased within the past hundred years of this Endtime almost beyond imagination!--To the point that machines have now become so complicated, even highly trained scientists and technicians can barely understand them!

Computers are now even taking over the thinking of Man and are able to perform feats of calculation and memory and computation and even thinking, far beyond the limits of Man's own mind! A man takes about 90 seconds to multiply 2 five-digit numbers. A computer can do it 30 million times as fast. The NASA Space Center in California has a computer that can make almost 13 billion complex calculations per second.

A few years ago it was estimated that the sum total of Man's knowledge was doubling every ten years! But now experts estimate that it takes less than five years for Man's store of knowledge to double! It is a known fact that more than 80% of all the scientists who have ever lived are alive today! Medical knowledge is increasing so rapidly that an estimated 70% of the medicines in use today were developed after WWII. Dr. Malcolm Todd, one-time president of the American Medical Association, said that about half of medical knowledge is outdated every 10 years.

It is estimated that over 15,000 scientific journals are being published annually and that, throughout the World, more than 1,000 new books are published every day!--Knowledge certainly has been increased!

The TYPE of knowledge that was to increase needs to be carefully considered. Is it likely that technological advancement was what Daniel wrote about or is it more likely that the knowledge mentioned had to do with the "mystery of Godliness." In the 1st century, knowledge vastly increased as the very reason of almighty God was embodied and lived among us revealing to man the ways of God as well as unveiling things that had long been hidden. In addition to Jesus, there was that ourpouring of God's Holy Breath Joel spoke of that began around Pentecost. These are rather substantial events that need not be overlooked as they led to knowledge of future events and even of Heaven, the dwelling of God being revealed.
 

For you my fellow SE Texan:

As I said earlier, you took Isaiah 13 out of its context. The whole thing can be read below to PROVE what I am claiming. The Day of the Lord usually connotates a judgment/punishment of sorts. Here are some examples.

I. Isaiah 2:5-18
5 Now, O house of Jacob; Come and let’s go to the light of Jehovah, 6 because He has forsaken His people (the house of Jacob). For, just as it was in the beginning, their [land] has become filled up with takers, and Philistine children have been born among them. 7 They’ve filled their [land] with silver and gold, and there’s no limit to all of their wealth. They’ve filled the land up with horses, and the numbers of their chariots have no limits. 8 They have filled up their land, with the disgusting works of their hands; they bow before things that they made with their fingers… 9 then all the people bow down before them, and this brings disgrace to each man. So there’s no way that I will now spare them! 10 So, go to the rocks and hide in the ground, in fear of Jehovah and the glory of His might, for He will arise to devastate the land! 11 Because, the eyes of Jehovah are very high, but the eyes of men are very low; so men will soon become low, and Jehovah will be then be raised high in that day. 12 For the day of Jehovah of Armies, is coming upon the insulting and proud. And those who [think themselves] high and important, will then be brought [to the ground]. 13 Then every tall Lebanese cedar; every tall oak tree of Bashan; 14 every high mountain and every high hill; 15 every high tower and every high wall; 16 every boat in the sea, and the beauty of [all their sails]; 17 and every man will be small. The pride of men will [fall] in that day, and Jehovah alone will be high.18 When He arises to wipe out the land, men will hide all [their idols], which they’ve made with their hands; 19 they’ll hide them in caves, in cracks between rocks, and in burrows that are under the ground, before the fear of Jehovah, and before the glory of His might. 20 Then men will toss all those disgusting things, that they’ve made with their hands (their worthless things made of silver and gold, which they made to bow down before), in front of the bats in their caves, and in the cracks between rocks, in fear of Jehovah and the glory of His might, when He arises to wipe-out the land.

II. Isaiah 13:1-19
1 This is the vision that IsaiJah (the son of Amoz) saw against Babylon. 2 On the crests of the mountains raise the flag, and before it shout aloud… do not fear! Open up O you rulers… put your hands [to your mouths] and call out for aid, 3 for I’m in command and I’m giving the order, to giants who are coming to fill up My rage. Together they’re coming in joy and shouting insults.’4 There’s a voice like the sound of many nations, that is [being heard from] the mountains. It’s like the sound of many kings, and an assembly of many peoples; for Jehovah of Armies has given the orders, to a nation of warriors with weapons, 5 and they’re coming from a land far away… from the extremities of the foundations of the sky. It’s the Lord and His warriors that are coming, to ruin the habitation of man.6 Shriek, for the day of Jehovah is near, and destruction by God swiftly approaches! 7 Because of this, all hands will go limp, and the lives of every man will be fearful. 8 All their elders will be disturbed, and they will have pains like women giving birth. So, they’ll sympathize with each other, and among each other they’ll be in shock… their faces will be changed into flames! 9 For, {Look!} the day of Jehovah is coming. It’s a day of incurable rage… the anger to destroy man’s habitation, and to wipe away all the sinners. 10 Then the stars in the sky (including Orion), and the arrangement of the heavens will not shine. The rising sun will be darkened, and the moon won’t give out its light.11 I’ll give instructions to this evil world, and the sins of the irreverent I’ll destroy… I’ll destroy the insolence of the lawless, and I’ll abase the insolence of the proud. 12 Then those left behind will be rarer than gold… men will be rarer than Ophir’s [gold]. 13 For, the skies will then be enraged, and the foundations of the earth will be shaken, by the anger and rage of Jehovah of Armies, in that day when His wrath will arrive.14 Then the remaining will flee as though they were deer, and like sheep they will stray. No way will a man return to his people, for men will flee from their homes. 15 Then, whoever is captured will be [killed], and those who’re collected will fall by the sword. 16 Before them their kids will be dashed to the ground; their homes will be ruined and their women all tainted.17 {Look!} Against you I’m arousing the Medes… those who think nothing of your silver, and have no need of your gold! 18 They’ll break the bows of your young men, and show no mercy on your children… their eyes will spare none of your children.19 Then Babylon (the capital of the king of Chaldea), will be wiped out by God like Sodom and GomorRah.

III. Ezekial 30:1-12
1 And the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 ‘O son of man; Prophesy and tell them that thus says Jehovah: The day is near… 3 the day of Jehovah approaches; it’s a day of clouds and a time of the nations, 4 for swords will come against the Egyptians, and to the land of Ethiopia will come a disturbance; and those slain in Egypt will fall… they will take all her abundance, and tear her down to her foundations. 5 ‘Persians, Cretans, and Lydians; Libyans, Ethiopians, and mixed peoples; will all fall with My Covenant people, 6 says Jehovah. And the supporters of Egypt will fall… they’ll go down with the insolence of her strength. From Migdol to Syene they’ll fall by the sword. 7 They’ll lie desolate amid places being wiped out, and the cities in her midst will be gone. 8 Then they will know that I am Jehovah, when I bring fire against Egypt, and all who helped her will be broken. 9 ‘In that day; Messengers will come in a hurry, to wipe out the hope of Ethiopia… in that day there’ll be disturbance in Egypt, and look, it has already come!’ 10 ‘Jehovah says, I will destroy many Egyptians, by the hand of NebuChadNezzar, king of Babylon. 11 He and all of his people, and the pestilent ones from the nations, are being sent to destroy the whole land. They’ll empty their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain. 12 Then I’ll make their rivers desolate places, and give their land to those who are bad. I’ll obliterate their land and empty it out, and give all of its fullness to strangers. For, I am Jehovah and I have spoken!

As illustrated in the above passages, the Day of the Lord is a time, not necessarily 1 day, but a time when His judgment is fulfilled. It is also NOT always used in reference to the end of time has most believe today. It was often written about in what can be termed as "apocalytical literature' that MAY have duel fulfillments with the immediate being what some call the "TYPE" and the future being the "ANTI-TYPE." Could these mini apocalyses be signs of a greater apocalyse that will occur at the end of days? Maybe, but as always if one wishes to study a text whether it is scriptural or not, context in key. Let us not make the mistake of pulling passages out of their historical contexts to fit into our modern dogmas.
 
For you my fellow SE Texan:

As I said earlier, you took Isaiah 13 out of its context. The whole thing can be read below to PROVE what I am claiming. The Day of the Lord usually connotates a judgment/punishment of sorts. Here are some examples.

I. Isaiah 2:5-18
5 Now, O house of Jacob; Come and let’s go to the light of Jehovah, 6 because He has forsaken His people (the house of Jacob). For, just as it was in the beginning, their [land] has become filled up with takers, and Philistine children have been born among them. 7 They’ve filled their [land] with silver and gold, and there’s no limit to all of their wealth. They’ve filled the land up with horses, and the numbers of their chariots have no limits. 8 They have filled up their land, with the disgusting works of their hands; they bow before things that they made with their fingers… 9 then all the people bow down before them, and this brings disgrace to each man. So there’s no way that I will now spare them! 10 So, go to the rocks and hide in the ground, in fear of Jehovah and the glory of His might, for He will arise to devastate the land! 11 Because, the eyes of Jehovah are very high, but the eyes of men are very low; so men will soon become low, and Jehovah will be then be raised high in that day. 12 For the day of Jehovah of Armies, is coming upon the insulting and proud. And those who [think themselves] high and important, will then be brought [to the ground]. 13 Then every tall Lebanese cedar; every tall oak tree of Bashan; 14 every high mountain and every high hill; 15 every high tower and every high wall; 16 every boat in the sea, and the beauty of [all their sails]; 17 and every man will be small. The pride of men will [fall] in that day, and Jehovah alone will be high.18 When He arises to wipe out the land, men will hide all [their idols], which they’ve made with their hands; 19 they’ll hide them in caves, in cracks between rocks, and in burrows that are under the ground, before the fear of Jehovah, and before the glory of His might. 20 Then men will toss all those disgusting things, that they’ve made with their hands (their worthless things made of silver and gold, which they made to bow down before), in front of the bats in their caves, and in the cracks between rocks, in fear of Jehovah and the glory of His might, when He arises to wipe-out the land.

II. Isaiah 13:1-19
1 This is the vision that IsaiJah (the son of Amoz) saw against Babylon. 2 On the crests of the mountains raise the flag, and before it shout aloud… do not fear! Open up O you rulers… put your hands [to your mouths] and call out for aid, 3 for I’m in command and I’m giving the order, to giants who are coming to fill up My rage. Together they’re coming in joy and shouting insults.’4 There’s a voice like the sound of many nations, that is [being heard from] the mountains. It’s like the sound of many kings, and an assembly of many peoples; for Jehovah of Armies has given the orders, to a nation of warriors with weapons, 5 and they’re coming from a land far away… from the extremities of the foundations of the sky. It’s the Lord and His warriors that are coming, to ruin the habitation of man.6 Shriek, for the day of Jehovah is near, and destruction by God swiftly approaches! 7 Because of this, all hands will go limp, and the lives of every man will be fearful. 8 All their elders will be disturbed, and they will have pains like women giving birth. So, they’ll sympathize with each other, and among each other they’ll be in shock… their faces will be changed into flames! 9 For, {Look!} the day of Jehovah is coming. It’s a day of incurable rage… the anger to destroy man’s habitation, and to wipe away all the sinners. 10 Then the stars in the sky (including Orion), and the arrangement of the heavens will not shine. The rising sun will be darkened, and the moon won’t give out its light.11 I’ll give instructions to this evil world, and the sins of the irreverent I’ll destroy… I’ll destroy the insolence of the lawless, and I’ll abase the insolence of the proud. 12 Then those left behind will be rarer than gold… men will be rarer than Ophir’s [gold]. 13 For, the skies will then be enraged, and the foundations of the earth will be shaken, by the anger and rage of Jehovah of Armies, in that day when His wrath will arrive.14 Then the remaining will flee as though they were deer, and like sheep they will stray. No way will a man return to his people, for men will flee from their homes. 15 Then, whoever is captured will be [killed], and those who’re collected will fall by the sword. 16 Before them their kids will be dashed to the ground; their homes will be ruined and their women all tainted.17 {Look!} Against you I’m arousing the Medes… those who think nothing of your silver, and have no need of your gold! 18 They’ll break the bows of your young men, and show no mercy on your children… their eyes will spare none of your children.19 Then Babylon (the capital of the king of Chaldea), will be wiped out by God like Sodom and GomorRah.

III. Ezekial 30:1-12
1 And the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 ‘O son of man; Prophesy and tell them that thus says Jehovah: The day is near… 3 the day of Jehovah approaches; it’s a day of clouds and a time of the nations, 4 for swords will come against the Egyptians, and to the land of Ethiopia will come a disturbance; and those slain in Egypt will fall… they will take all her abundance, and tear her down to her foundations. 5 ‘Persians, Cretans, and Lydians; Libyans, Ethiopians, and mixed peoples; will all fall with My Covenant people, 6 says Jehovah. And the supporters of Egypt will fall… they’ll go down with the insolence of her strength. From Migdol to Syene they’ll fall by the sword. 7 They’ll lie desolate amid places being wiped out, and the cities in her midst will be gone. 8 Then they will know that I am Jehovah, when I bring fire against Egypt, and all who helped her will be broken. 9 ‘In that day; Messengers will come in a hurry, to wipe out the hope of Ethiopia… in that day there’ll be disturbance in Egypt, and look, it has already come!’ 10 ‘Jehovah says, I will destroy many Egyptians, by the hand of NebuChadNezzar, king of Babylon. 11 He and all of his people, and the pestilent ones from the nations, are being sent to destroy the whole land. They’ll empty their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain. 12 Then I’ll make their rivers desolate places, and give their land to those who are bad. I’ll obliterate their land and empty it out, and give all of its fullness to strangers. For, I am Jehovah and I have spoken!

As illustrated in the above passages, the Day of the Lord is a time, not necessarily 1 day, but a time when His judgment is fulfilled. It is also NOT always used in reference to the end of time has most believe today. It was often written about in what can be termed as "apocalytical literature' that MAY have duel fulfillments with the immediate being what some call the "TYPE" and the future being the "ANTI-TYPE." Could these mini apocalyses be signs of a greater apocalyse that will occur at the end of days? Maybe, but as always if one wishes to study a text whether it is scriptural or not, context in key. Let us not make the mistake of pulling passages out of their historical contexts to fit into our modern dogmas.
Still bunk... and your lack of discearnment is scary. Over and over again God prophacies about the day of the lord. The gathering of nations against israel and God then defending israel and destroying the world, and you preterist still refuse to acknowledge that this has not happened yet. Amazing
 
Still bunk... and your lack of discearnment is scary. Over and over again God prophacies about the day of the lord. The gathering of nations against israel and God then defending israel and destroying the world, and you preterist still refuse to acknowledge that this has not happened yet. Amazing

Tell me what you find "bunk" about what the scriptures I posted and did not paraphrase or try to define BTW illustrate. I simply put forth those scriptures as PROOF that the Bible speaks of various "Day of the Lord" and NOT just about one end time "Day" like most religionists FALSELY propose.
All 3 of the passages I used (there are more BTW if you need to see more) speak of a day of the Lord that is specific to the situation and/or nation that passage of scripture is addressing. That is a fact that frankly I fail to see how it can be argued against. Tell me please, what am I missing about this? Help me see what area my discernment fails.

I can detect frustration is your response as you even called me a preterist. Have you even read what I post about preterism? If you had, I doubt that you'd think that that title was fitting. Anyway, what I ask is that we let the facts get in the way of our opinions at least sometimes.
 
The TYPE of knowledge that was to increase needs to be carefully considered. Is it likely that technological advancement was what Daniel wrote about or is it more likely that the knowledge mentioned had to do with the "mystery of Godliness." In the 1st century, knowledge vastly increased as the very reason of almighty God was embodied and lived among us revealing to man the ways of God as well as unveiling things that had long been hidden. In addition to Jesus, there was that ourpouring of God's Holy Breath Joel spoke of that began around Pentecost. These are rather substantial events that need not be overlooked as they led to knowledge of future events and even of Heaven, the dwelling of God being revealed.

Thanks for that excellent insight into Daniel 12:4! :thumbsup
 
Still bunk... and your lack of discearnment is scary. Over and over again God prophacies about the day of the lord. The gathering of nations against israel and God then defending israel and destroying the world, and you preterist still refuse to acknowledge that this has not happened yet. Amazing
Destroy your world or redeem it? The conquest of the promised land is an ongoing concern, and we are in the midst of it.
 
Destroy your world or redeem it? The conquest of the promised land is an ongoing concern, and we are in the midst of it.

The point is that over and over again the day of the lord referances teach of The day of the lord. Now the word day is the same one used in Genesis 1 to refer to a period of time starting at night moving through a period of light and ending at night we call them 24 hr days. Over and over again it shows God bringing the nations against israel and then God rises up and destroys those same nations in israels defence. This has never happened in the past. God Has Brought nations in to punish and destroy national Israel but he has yet to rise up and destroy those nations. The concept of many days of the lord, shows a poor ability to read and comprehend.
 
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The point is that over and over again the day of the lord referances teach of The day of the lord. Now the word day is the same one used in Genesis 1 to refer to a period of time starting at night moving through a period of light and ending at night we call them 24 hr days. Over and over again it shows God bringing the nations against israel and then God rises up and destroys those same nations in israels defence. This has never happened in the past. God Has Brought nations in to punish and destroy national Israel but he has yet to rise up and destroy those nations. The concept of many days of the lord, shows a poor ability to read and comprehend.
Are you kidding? History is littered with the corpses of pagan cultures destroyed in God's judgment. Each one received their own 'Day of the Lord'.:study
 
Thanks for that excellent insight into Daniel 12:4! :thumbsup
Daniel was speaking of the time of the end,the end of the age did not occur in the first certury,also there has been an increase in knowledge and travel(many shall go to and fro)that has NEVER OCCURED in the history of the world. We are living in a time of unprecedent knowledge and travel,the angel in Daniel spoke of the time of the end when there would be an increase of knowledge and travel. To me this is evidence that we are living in the time of the end of the age when Christ will return, if you do not see it that way then that is your choice.
 
Are you kidding? History is littered with the corpses of pagan cultures destroyed in God's judgment. Each one received their own 'Day of the Lord'.:study

none in the fashon or scale,of the day of the lord. study up it is to be a day like none other, more remarkable than the flood or even calvary.
 
Daniel was speaking of the time of the end,the end of the age did not occur in the first certury,also there has been an increase in knowledge and travel(many shall go to and fro)that has NEVER OCCURED in the history of the world. We are living in a time of unprecedent knowledge and travel,the angel in Daniel spoke of the time of the end when there would be an increase of knowledge and travel. To me this is evidence that we are living in the time of the end of the age when Christ will return, if you do not see it that way then that is your choice.

Imagination at work again from the futurists!

The "knowledge" that would increase in Israel's "end times" of their old covenant would be knowledge of the gospel. Not any other imaginations of knowledge.

Satan would be "bound" at the beginning of the millennium (beginning when Christ bound the strongman) so the nations could receive the gospel of the kingdom.

Christ & the apostles said His return was imminent & in His generation-
Futurists don't seem to believe the Text AND they cannot prove why they think or believe (in Scripture) Christ's return is still future!!!

Can you prove it? Yet Preterists can & praise God for His truth in fulfilling the prophecies as He did!
 
Daniel was speaking of the time of the end,the end of the age did not occur in the first certury,also there has been an increase in knowledge and travel(many shall go to and fro)that has NEVER OCCURED in the history of the world. We are living in a time of unprecedent knowledge and travel,the angel in Daniel spoke of the time of the end when there would be an increase of knowledge and travel. To me this is evidence that we are living in the time of the end of the age when Christ will return, if you do not see it that way then that is your choice.
Sam What generation can not say what you a have said above?
 
Sam What generation can not say what you a have said above?[/QUOTEHi Reba,no generation can say that they had the knowledge or travel that we have today,in that respect we are absolutely unique. Look into archaeology,they have dug up no McDonalds,no PC,no airplanes,no cars,no movies of people walking on the moon,no pictures of the universe. Knowledge and travel have increased just like the angel said in the latter days...the bible is true.
 
Sam What generation can not say what you a have said above?[/QUOTEHi Reba,no generation can say that they had the knowledge or travel that we have today,in that respect we are absolutely unique. Look into archaeology,they have dug up no McDonalds,no PC,no airplanes,no cars,no movies of people walking on the moon,no pictures of the universe. Knowledge and travel have increased just like the angel said in the latter days...the bible is true.

Sam21, you have not answered my question.
So far, in your above quote, the only words that are in Daniel 12 are the "angel" & "knowledge" & "latter days"
There is no mention of "travel" MacDonalds, PCs, airplanes, cars, archeology, movies, etc...(to & fro is not the word "travel" & all it suggests)

Now, can you answer the question of "what latter days" are spoken of in Daniel 12? Let's start with that question for you.
 
Sam What generation can not say what you a have said above?[/QUOTEHi Reba,no generation can say that they had the knowledge or travel that we have today,in that respect we are absolutely unique. Look into archaeology,they have dug up no McDonalds,no PC,no airplanes,no cars,no movies of people walking on the moon,no pictures of the universe. Knowledge and travel have increased just like the angel said in the latter days...the bible is true.
Just like the angel said?? Exactly where did the angel speak about airplanes?
 
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