The Teachings of Jesus

[theLords]

That does not mean that he was perfect, does it?

Yet, your positions in this thread: http://www.christianforums.net/f17/being-perfect-32735/ completely contradicts this statement.

What excuse have we not to be perfect?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The premise of the post was NOT that it's O.K. to sin -

So you obviously never even READ the post.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Ain't THAT the truth -

There comes a time when the wise know when it is time to just walk away...

Yup - you wonder why some folks are even here -

 

[elijah23]

Yet, your positions in this thread: http://www.christianforums.net/f17/being-perfect-32735/ completely contradicts this statement.

I believe that when we repent of our sin, our worries go away. When I resist temptation, that is exactly what happens to me. That is why I think perfection is to be preferred. Also, Jesus told us to repent and that we needed to be perfect.

 

[elijah23]

Re: The premise of the post was NOT that it's O.K. to sin -

So you obviously never even READ the post.

I wasn't referring to your post.

 

[elijah23]

go read Romans 6 and THEN tell us that Paul "says it's O.K. to Sin".

I’m not aware that I said that Paul said it’s okay to sin. I said some people say that Paul said it’s okay to sin. Some people, in my opinion, use the teachings of Paul to circumvent the teachings of Jesus.

 

[elijah23]

You were told by Jesus to "Take His yoke upon you, and LEARN OF HIM". Why haven't you????

I believe I have learned a few things.

 

[elijah23]

Oh, and since JESUS told YOU NOT to sin (which He did), How Are YOU coming along with your "Living in perfection"??? How many years have YOU been "sinless"?

Zero years. The last two and a half years have been challenging.

 

[elijah23]

Oh, and since JESUS told YOU NOT to sin (which He did), How Are YOU coming along with your "Living in perfection"??? How many years have YOU been "sinless"?

It still seems clear to me that we cannot be happy unless we are sinless.

 

[elijah23]

The sentence speaks VOLUMES about the "Depth" of your "Spiritual concern/Spiritual knowledge". The Bible, of course DOESN'T say anything of the sort, but YOU obviously are totally incapable of properly arguing the point to someone that says it does.

One can read the Bible a million times and memorize its every word.

After you’ve read it two or three times, though, maybe your time is better spent trying to develop a personal relationship with the Lord.

 

[theLords]

I believe that when we repent of our sin, our worries go away. When I resist temptation, that is exactly what happens to me. That is why I think perfection is to be preferred. Also, Jesus told us to repent and that we needed to be perfect.

But in your eyes Paul doesn't meet this qualification? Yet the Lord thought enough of him to take his letters and preserve the NT for Christians throughout the century. I think I'm going to go with Jesus' opinion of Paul over yours.

Handy was right about this thread.

God bless you :waving

 

[Alabaster]

It still seems clear to me that we cannot be happy unless we are sinless.

That is human thnking, not based on the word of God. We are blessed and complete knowing Christ, all the while being utterly imperfect. Why? Because we are saved! God looks upon me as sinless already, for my spirit is born again and pure and holy already.

 

[cyberjosh]

So I just read through this whole thread and noticed a few things that need to be addressed. First of all, francis brought up an important and good point that loving your neighbor and loving God are inseparable and go hand in hand - therefore Paul did not misspeak when he said loving your neighbor fulfills the law. What I was surprised at though is that in the 5 pages so far I haven't seen a single mention of 1 John which clearly addresses several of the issues raised so far in this thread. Read very carefully: "If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen" (1 John 4:20). Also consider "Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness" (1 John 2:9) and "No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us" (1 John 4:12). The point francis made is perfectly theologically valid as we can see from 1 John.

Secondly, Elijah, you said some people seem to think that they can continue sinning whereas you emphasised the point of Jesus telling us to be perfect. This also is addressable from 1 John. But first if these people truly believe this then they are so deceived that it is pitiable, even laughable, if they indeed think that sinning is "alright" with God. However unless you misunderstood them they could have been making a different point that even as Christians we will inevitably still sin. Jesus' command to be perfect is indeed a command but one which even while striving for we will fall short of sometimes. John addresses this when he says, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us" (1 John 1:8-10). It is possible they are trying to articulate that idea rather than saying that it is "okay" to sin. But if they are really asserting the latter then their claim is baseless and ridiculous. No one in the BIble says this, and certainly not Paul! Someone skipped their reading lesson in Romans 6 if they think that. "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?"

I hope this addresses the various questions and issues set forth so far.

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Try "HYBRID" display mode.

Then you'll KNOW who you're answering, and who'se speaking to you.

 

[elijah23]

But in your eyes Paul doesn't meet this qualification? Yet the Lord thought enough of him to take his letters and preserve the NT for Christians throughout the century. I think I'm going to go with Jesus' opinion of Paul over yours.

Handy was right about this thread.

God bless you :waving

Jesus told us to repent and be perfect.
Jesus is God.
Paul is not God.
The Bible is not God.

 

[elijah23]

That is human thnking, not based on the word of God.

My experience has taught me this.

 

[elijah23]

So I just read through this whole thread and noticed a few things that need to be addressed. First of all, francis brought up an important and good point that loving your neighbor and loving God are inseperable and go hand in hand - therefore Paul did not misspeak when he said loving your neighbor fulfills the law.

I do not agree. Loving the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, is a separate command, I believe. Jesus said so. Read Matthew 22:34-40.

 

[elijah23]

So I just read through this whole thread and noticed a few things that need to be addressed. First of all, francis brought up an important and good point that loving your neighbor and loving God are inseperable and go hand in hand - therefore Paul did not misspeak when he said loving your neighbor fulfills the law.

As a matter of fact, loving the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls is the great commandment. Right?

 

[elijah23]

So I just read through this whole thread and noticed a few things that need to be addressed. First of all, francis brought up an important and good point that loving your neighbor and loving God are inseperable and go hand in hand - therefore Paul did not misspeak when he said loving your neighbor fulfills the law.

The most important thing we can possibly do is have a personal relationship with the Lord, I believe. That is why Jesus said the great commandment was to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls.

 

[Nick]

No, I said there are people that come to me with Bible verses that they think say it’s okay to sin.

What are they? You stated they did, and I am interested to know what they are. I"m not sure why it's so hard for you to provide the verses.