The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.

[Cooper]

Cooper,

It's spelt Modalism and not Modulism. This heretical view has Father, Son and Holy Spirit operating as three different modes of God.

"Modalism is the doctrine that the persons of the Trinity represent only three modes or aspects of the divine revelation, not distinct and coexisting parts of the divine nature" (Oxford English Dictionary).

Oz

Good luck to you when you tell Jesus you want to talk to the head God.

There goes another one on to the ignore list. This is getting like the inquisition with one group of people standing in judgment over others. Good-bye

 

[Cooper]

and let me inform you that no proselytizer is going to tell me what to believe, or stand in judgement over me. Do you understand that? What I believe is between me and my Saviour and no other.

 

[Free]

Good luck to you when you tell Jesus you want to talk to the head God.

Good luck when you tell Jesus you want to talk to the Father.

There goes another one on to the ignore list. This is getting like the inquisition with one group of people standing in judgment over others. Good-bye

So, someone merely corrects you that it’s Modalism and not Modulism and you put them on ignore? Really?

I’m assuming you have me on ignore but I’ll say this anyway. You are being hypocritical. You continually have equated Trinitarianism with Modalism, despite being corrected more than once, and when your beliefs are said to be closer to Modalism than Trinitarianism, you get upset and put people on ignore.

You also have called Modalism a “false cult” and said that Trinitarianism is error. Yet, you seem to be only accusing those who disagree with you as “standing in judgement over others.” More hypocrisy on your part.

This all suggests that you aren’t interested in truth but only in your opinion. Christians are to be truthseekers.1

 

[Peterlag]

Peterlag,

That's a broad statement against the Trinity, with no supporting evidence to uphold your view. If you plan to refute the Trinity, please start with biblical evidence. You might like to use some of the evidence I've provided in my articles:

I have written seven articles on the biblical basis for the Trinity:

1. Is the Trinity taught in the Bible?

2. Problems with the Trinity

3. How to understand three persons in the Trinity

4. Is Jesus a God and not the God? (written by Sue Bohlin)

5. Jesus claims to be God’

6 Is the Holy Spirit God?

7. Is the God of Islam the same God as Elohim of the Christian Scriptures?

Sincerely,
Oz

You can look over the whole paper and feel free to give me your thoughts...

Data On The Trinity

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[D-D-W]

The Truth About The Trinity Doctrine: The Answer to All Questions.​

Yeah - that is not happening. Not on this side of final judgement.

John 14:28, "For my Father is greater than I."

This statement does not indicate any sort of a Trinity, but rather shows a hierarchy. The Father, The Begotten Son Yeshua, and The Holy Spirit are indeed each the essence and Divinity of God, but not as a triune unit. The Father is the highest and largest, Jesus is the First Son having all rights of inheritance, and The Spirit is the extra dimensional aspect of God assigned to the Earth.

In John's Revelation of Heaven, "The Holy Spirit" is not there as we are aware of Him now on Earth. But there are The Seven Spirits of God. Hence, The Holy Spirit we now possess is not a part of any such Trinity as is commonly theorized, but rather is indeed of God as an aspect of Him.

That whole topic is too complex for any unglorified human to comprehend.

God is ONE. God is also three. And as you have stated, God is seven.
All at the same time.

 

[Consecrated Life]

John 14:28, "For my Father is greater than I."

This statement does not indicate any sort of a Trinity, but rather shows a hierarchy.

It shows that you have a threadbare understanding of what the Lord divested Himself of when He became a baby.
From the first moment that He was born a helpless baby in a dirty animal feeding trough the unmistaken essence of His coming was that of a supreme sovereign relinquishing power & taking on the mantle of lowly humble servant .
In that form,at that moment, as He hungered and thirsted His feet dirty and sore from walking the miles on the roads to our salvation The Father was greater than Him.
Now He is returned , fully glorified to the Godhead.

If what you believe were true then when He returns again in His physical form setting His feet on the Mount of Olives He would still be subject to the same temptations of sin that He was when He came before.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Do you really believe that ?
Why not?
What would be different in His"hierarchy" that would prevent Him from being subject to the sin temptations he was once subject to before?

 

[GodsGrace]

Modulism is wrong.

The scripture in my signature is correct. Notice the words God, Jesus (flesh), Spirit.

Three 'persons' are present on earth at one and the same time. Incidentally, Jesus said, “The Father is in me.” God is One and not three. That does away with modulism.

Those who falsely accuse me of being a modulist are on ignore.

I agree with you because you posted the correct image which represents the Trinity.

It is difficult to explain, however.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Apostles did not teach the Trinity because there's no such Christian concept. The Catholics invented it when they took over by force the Christian church.

The Catholics took over the christian church?

Could you post some support for this odd historical fact?

 

[GodsGrace]

I never said the image was incorrect, just that it doesn’t communicate the doctrine of the Trinity all that well.

I think it represents it perfectly.
Have you ever come across a better one?

 

[Free]

I think it represents it perfectly.
Have you ever come across a better one?

No, and I’ve explained why (or maybe I didn’t) it doesn’t quite work—it doesn’t explicitly show that all three persons are coequal, coeternal, and coexistent.

 

[GodsGrace]

No, and I’ve explained why (or maybe I didn’t) it doesn’t quite work—it doesn’t explicitly show that all three persons are coequal, coeternal, and coexistent.

It shows that they are each God but retain their own Personhood while still being God. This would be coequal.

Seems that it would cover coexistent too.

You're right about coeternal.

Someone that understands the Trinity would just take it for granted...

 

[Free]

It shows that they are each God but retain their own Personhood while still being God. This would be coequal.

Seems that it would cover coexistent too.

You're right about coeternal.

Someone that understands the Trinity would just take it for granted...

And yet Cooper believes it to be showing Modalism. So, perhaps coequality, but not coexistent nor coeternal. They’re implied but require additional explanation. It does show that each person is truly God and distinct from the persons.

 

[Cooper]

I agree with you because you posted the correct image which represents the Trinity.

It is difficult to explain, however.

The image was posted by Major but somehow it got attributed to me, and as I believe in ONE God I cannot agree with the legend around the edge that denies God's oneness. Another picture from a Catholic website, possibly posted by your good self, shows three Gods sitting side by side. Come on now, let's get it right. The Bible clearly tells us God is one, and everyone in the whole world knows there can only be one who is superior above all others.

Are they three gods or are they the one God who is Spirit, manifest in heaven, on earth but invisible in Jesus, and in our hearts?
.

 

[Free]

The image was posted by Major but somehow it got attributed to me, and as I believe in ONE God I cannot agree with the legend around the edge that denies God's oneness. Another picture from a Catholic website, possibly posted by your good self, shows three Gods sitting side by side. Come on now, let's get it right. The Bible clearly tells us God is one, and everyone in the whole world knows there can only be one who is superior above all others.

Are they three gods or are they the one God who is Spirit, manifest in heaven, on earth but invisible in Jesus, and in our hearts?
.

Trinitarianism is monotheistic—one God, three distinct coequal, coeternal, coexistent persons.

 

[Peterlag]

The Catholics took over the christian church?

Could you post some support for this odd historical fact?

Such a statemnent does not need any support unless you're Catholic. And if you're Catholic then you believe Christianity and Catholic thinking are the same.

 

[GodsGrace]

Such a statemnent does not need any support unless you're Catholic. And if you're Catholic then you believe Christianity and Catholic thinking are the same.

Hi Peterlag
I think you're new.
Welcome.

If you make a statement, you should be able to support it. Otherwise you should not state an idea that has no support.

Just because you believe something does not make it true.

Again, please support your statement that the CC in some way overtook Christianity.

We're all here to discuss and learn.

 

[GodsGrace]

And yet Cooper believes it to be showing Modalism. So, perhaps coequality, but not coexistent nor coeternal. They’re implied but require additional explanation. It does show that each person is truly God and distinct from the persons.

OK
Agreed
Bit I'm not sure who posted the image...

 

[GodsGrace]

The image was posted by Major but somehow it got attributed to me, and as I believe in ONE God I cannot agree with the legend around the edge that denies God's oneness. Another picture from a Catholic website, possibly posted by your good self, shows three Gods sitting side by side. Come on now, let's get it right. The Bible clearly tells us God is one, and everyone in the whole world knows there can only be one who is superior above all others.

Are they three gods or are they the one God who is Spirit, manifest in heaven, on earth but invisible in Jesus, and in our hearts?
.

Hi Cooper
I may have attributed the image of the Trinity to you. Sorry if I made a mistake.

As to the image of the 3 gods, I doubt that I posted it, i always use the one in question.

I'll just answer your questions simply:

1. Yes. There is only One God.
2. He cannot be superior to all others, as this would mean there are other gods.
3. It is One God.
4. He is definitely a Spirit being and most probably does not have a body, I say most probably.
5. Don't understand the manifestation questions.

 

[Cooper]

I'll just answer your questions simply:
1. Yes. There is only One God.
2. He cannot be superior to all others, as this would mean there are other gods.
3. It is One God.
4. He is definitely a Spirit being and most probably does not have a body, I say most probably.
5. Don't understand the manifestation questions.

Should you have said, "He IS superior to all others?"

(Next question coming when you have answered this.)

 

[GodsGrace]

Should you have said, "He IS superior to all others?"

(Next question coming when you have answered this.)

Oops. I misspoke.
Thanks for catching it.

BUT

I also did not mean that He IS superior to all others...

What I meant to say is that we cannot STATE that God is superior ...

This would mean that there are other gods but He is superior to them. There are no other gods.

There is only One God.