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Time And Chance ?

Deborah13 said:
Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Luk 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

What do you think Jesus meant when He said..."and when thou art converted"
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I always sort of assumed that when the work of the cross was finished, Peter could be filled with the Holy Spirit and with Power or Born again. It would have to be a latter thing because Peter has lots more growth before he can be the strength of His Brothers. The Point when Jesus was talking to him, Peter and John did not get along very well, and Peter only thought of himself.

However, Jesus still prayed his faith should not fail, and it be best for Peter to just have been quit.

My view on this is Peter being Prideful gave the enmey a place. He writes later about it saying be humble to your own leaders and humble yourself under the Mighty Hand of God and Satan is seeking whom He may devour. Peter knows that all to well.

You never tell the Lord He is WRONG. The Lord is never wrong, and you should not expect things to work out for you thinking the Lord is Wrong.

Blessings Deborah, thank you for your time and at least reading though what I typed. I know we don't always agree, but I know you do read and consider with knowlege.

Mike.
 
Edward said:
Uh, I hate to rain on you brothers and sisters parade but this is not so. For one thing, if God was in absolute control of everything, there would be no free will. He has the power to take absolute control but He doesn't most of the time. He sees all that happens, and can turn any situation from bad to good if He likes, but He doesn't do this for the most part. For those who turn to Him perhaps, but not in every case, every time.

He wants us to have faith in Him and to turn to Him of our own volition. If God took control of everything on earth, then how could we reap what we sow? Anyone.

Need scripture, brothers and sisters? Okey dokey, here you go...:)

Ecclesiastes 9:11
11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all./(KJV)

There it is spelled out very plainly...
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Thank you Brother, (Edited, ToS 2.4, rudeness. Obadiah)

It's the lack of respect Deborah and I are talking about Peter. There are lots of things you can share and even share things that will save the lives of loved ones. The Lord is Faithful and when these things come and they do come, by shutting out those that could have given life saving faith, they suffer tradegy. The Lord is always faithful to deliver us out of all things. Puts people in our path to show us the right way, and expound on the word more clearly for us.

We ignore God, and wonder why God allows, causes, things to happen.
Some will take heed though, and get victory. Others, God was faithful and did try to help, know the enemy planing destruction.

Nicole is done with her Christmass CD. She stopped by yesterday and gave us a copy.
 
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Deborah13 said:
YLT
Mat 10:28 `And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Mat 10:29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
Mat 10:30 and of you--even the hairs of the head are all numbered;
Mat 10:31 be not therefore afraid, than many sparrows ye are better.
Mat 10:32 `Every one, therefore, who shall confess in me before men, I also will confess in him before my Father who is in the heavens;

I see this as a salvation scripture. It needs to be read in context. Be not afraid of those who can harm your body, because God see you and loves you more than the sparrows, therefore, be not afraid because (therefore) if you will confess Him, He will confess you to the Father.
Your soul is safe in the Father.
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This text can be meant to cause fear, because whatever is hidden or said will be known to the Father, and we should fear rejecting God, rather than what man could do to us. We also have nothing to fear if we confess Christ as God is sovereign and watches over all creation, even more so us who believe.
 
Jesus says we can do nothing without Gods permission in..

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

tob
 
turnorburn said:
Jesus says we can do nothing without Gods permission in..

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

tob
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Jesus did not say we can do nothing without God's permission. You don't add to or take away from Scripture. (Edited, ToS 2.4, rudeness. Obadiah)

Jesus said this though:
Joh 10:17-18 kjva 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said I lay down my life, I take it up. So what is he saying to Pilate? He is not contradicting what He said before. Not possible.

Joh 19:10-11 kjva 10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Pilate tells Jeusus, I have power to crucify you. Jesus says to him not possbile, becaue Jesus has the power as He mentioned already, and the only way you would get that power Pilate is if my own Father Gave it to you. Which His Father did not.

(Edited, ToS 2.4, rudeness. Obadiah)

Amazing.
 
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Jesus reminded Pilate that he had no power over Him unless it had been granted to him by the God of all power John 19:11.
 
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Okay, everyone, let's stay on the topic and avoid the personal jabs and comments.
2.4: No Trolling. Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.
 
Doulos Iesou said:
This text can be meant to cause fear, because whatever is hidden or said will be known to the Father, and we should fear rejecting God, rather than what man could do to us. We also have nothing to fear if we confess Christ as God is sovereign and watches over all creation, even more so us who believe.
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It certainly can cause fear if one is not hidden in Christ.
'Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.'
 
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Kathi said:
Jesus reminded Pilate that he had no power over Him unless it had been granted to him by the God of all power John 19:11.
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Right, the Power was not granted to Pilate, but Pilate claimed he had authority to crucify Him. Jesus said not so.

The only one that could over ride Jesus having that authority to lay down his life would be His Father.

However....................... If you want to get technical.

Isa 53:10 kjva Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

It was the Father that crucified Him, and already eternally set long before Jesus came to the Earth for us.


(Edited, ToS 2.4, rudeness. You are not the only one in this forum. Obadiah)
 
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Brother Mike said:
We ignore God, and wonder why God allows, causes, things to happen.
Some will take heed though, and get victory. Others, God was faithful and did try to help, know the enemy planing destruction.
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Have you ever heard of suffering for blessing? God wills for some to suffer for blessing. And we need to be mature enough to understand that we may be praying away someones future blessing.

1. God wills that someone suffers for blessing.

2. A believer prays for the suffering to end because he does not know that God WILLS some suffering.
 
Brother Mike said:
Jesus did not say we can do nothing without God's permission. You don't add to or take away from Scripture. (Edited, ToS 2.4, rudeness. Obadiah)

Jesus said this though:
Joh 10:17-18 kjva 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said I lay down my life, I take it up. So what is he saying to Pilate? He is not contradicting what He said before. Not possible.

Joh 19:10-11 kjva 10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Pilate tells Jeusus, I have power to crucify you. Jesus says to him not possbile, becaue Jesus has the power as He mentioned already, and the only way you would get that power Pilate is if my own Father Gave it to you. Which His Father did not.

(Edited, ToS 2.4, rudeness. Obadiah)

Amazing.
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We don't breath unless God wills it..

tob
 
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Edward said:
Uh, I hate to rain on you brothers and sisters parade but this is not so. For one thing, if God was in absolute control of everything, there would be no free will. He has the power to take absolute control but He doesn't most of the time. He sees all that happens, and can turn any situation from bad to good if He likes, but He doesn't do this for the most part. For those who turn to Him perhaps, but not in every case, every time.

He wants us to have faith in Him and to turn to Him of our own volition. If God took control of everything on earth, then how could we reap what we sow? Anyone.

Need scripture, brothers and sisters? Okey dokey, here you go...:)

Ecclesiastes 9:11
11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all./(KJV)

There it is spelled out very plainly...
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Time and chance happen because God allows it.

He's still in control.
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God is life John 14:6,and all creation is held together by the power of Christ Colossians 1:17:even those who reject Christ receive their sustenance from Him Matthew 5:45.
 
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