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Twelve rules that are broken when people speak in tongues Part 2

electedbyhim said:
Yes, when the Lord saved me I was baptized into Christ and received Holy Spirit . Without the Spirit one is not saved and definitely cannot be obedient from the heart to Scripture.
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For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13



Being baptized by the Spirit into Christ, is one of three baptisms.

for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5

Then we are baptized by man in water.

Finally we are baptized by Jesus Christ with the Holy Spirit.

I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Mark 1:8



These three baptisms are foreshadowed in the old Testament.

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

  • all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

JLB
 
Consecrated Life said:
No one can be "trapped" by what is given from God .
Yes ?
No ?
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A yes or no will not give the answer here.

I wonder if Eve was trapped by a misquote of the meaning?

eddif.
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You are correct in that Eve was "gifted" a message like you have been.
And much like you now find yourself fearful & hiding she found herself trapped by the disobedience, sin , & fear her gifted " message " produced

That you equate your own fearful refusal to share so much as a single syllable of your boasted "revealing's", "messages" , "interpretations" gifted to you to Eve's fearful spiritual estate in running and hiding does make perfect sense to me now.

I would be just as fearful of being trapped by making known the details of my gifted words myself, if I were you .

Thank you for making clear what is behind this fear you have in making your gifted words known here .

Unchecked Copy Box
2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear..
 
Consecrated Life said:
Being pressed to actually reveal the basis for my steadfast personal promotion I would head for the tall grass myself .
Take care .
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Have you ever lived in the deep south USA in the summertime? The grass DOES get high ! All mowed now, got done at dusky dark .

Consecrated Life said:
Why won't you share the revealed message of your gift with the people of God ?
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Here is how I got a message one night from the Comforter, you will see why I say that name.
About six years ago on another Christian forum I got into a few weeks of back-and-forth discussion about something called "The Mandela Effect" . The premise was that the KJV Bible had been supernaturally altered and words had been changed while it was sitting on your bookshelf ! For the first 15 minutes after I understood what was being propagated I was very perplexed . After some thought and study I said "No way is that happening !" .

One poster was dead set that this verse as you see it here in proper form had been altered !
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

What the verse should say is this according to mandela effect people .
The lion also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the wolf and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Some of the other posters said lots of verses had been altered ! But the one poster just said the one verse in Isaiah had been altered and that was his linchpin, he was trying to lead others to believe the lie through pm's .

After research and I am sure divine help I found another verse that backed up the proper Isaiah11:6, it was this verse.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

This ended the mandela effect crusade on that Christian forum . The one poster said some odd things like " boredom in heaven was a possibility ":shock .

The night the mandela was over on the Christian forum I did my usual prayer routine where I go outside on my front patio and pray .
I go out in almost total darkness no close neighbors or lights, not much star light or moon light that night as I went out .
I had been sitting down outside for about a minute when right over my shoulder I heard this vicious , wet snarl unlike any animal I had ever heard and it did not sound human . Now at this point one would think FEAR would have struck me but this is what happened either at the same time or right before the Comforter said this to me "That's Demonic" .
I had absolutely no signs of fright either , hair standing up on the neck or goose bumps . The Comforter indeed .

So yes, the Holy Spirit gave me a short message .
 
eddif said:
Some may not need the interpreter, but others who are unbelivers or unlearned may need the message.

Two heavens:
Heaven where God is where a believers representation is.
And
The heaven we live in where a message for unbelivers or unlearned need help.

eddif
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One Kingdom of Heaven, and it is what was preached to believe in, Jesus speaks the words of Heaven, for all to believe in.

To some it is given by the Son of God, and to others it is not given to know by the Son of God( nobody who claims to speak in tongue can do anything at all and all they speak is just emptiness, as meant to be for them)






John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 
gordon777 said:
One Kingdom of Heaven, and it is what was preached to believe in, Jesus speaks the words of Heaven, for all to believe in.

To some it is given by the Son of God, and to others it is not given to know by the Son of God( nobody who claims to speak in tongue can do anything at all and all they speak is just emptiness, as meant to be for them)






John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
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One kingdom with one father of faith.

Romans 4:11 kjv
11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Romans 4:12 kjv
12. And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he hadbeing yet uncircumcised.
13. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

eddif
 
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eddif said:
One kingdom with one father of faith.

Romans 4:11 kjv
11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Romans 4:12 kjv
12. And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he hadbeing yet uncircumcised.
13. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

eddif
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Father as in heir, the same as Noah became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. ( to condemn the world of the faithless ungodly and give example to those who after should live ungodly. 2 Peter 2:5-6.)




Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the HEIR OF THE WORLD was not to ABRAHAM, or to his seed, through the law, but THROUGH THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF FAITH.

Hebrews 11:7 By faith NOAH, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became HEIR OF THE RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS BY FAITH




Hebrews 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with ISAAC AND JACOB, THE HEIRS WITH HIM OF THE SAME PROMISE:



Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.
29 And IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.( heirs with Isaac and Jacob of the same promise.)
 
One Kingdom of Heaven and one FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. ( the Kingdom of God is within us and does not come with observation. Luke 17:20-21 )


Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
 
hawkman said:
Have you ever lived in the deep south USA in the summertime? The grass DOES get high ! All mowed now, got done at dusky dark .


Here is how I got a message one night from the Comforter, you will see why I say that name.
About six years ago on another Christian forum I got into a few weeks of back-and-forth discussion about something called "The Mandela Effect" . The premise was that the KJV Bible had been supernaturally altered and words had been changed while it was sitting on your bookshelf ! For the first 15 minutes after I understood what was being propagated I was very perplexed . After some thought and study I said "No way is that happening !" .

One poster was dead set that this verse as you see it here in proper form had been altered !
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

What the verse should say is this according to mandela effect people .
The lion also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the wolf and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Some of the other posters said lots of verses had been altered ! But the one poster just said the one verse in Isaiah had been altered and that was his linchpin, he was trying to lead others to believe the lie through pm's .

After research and I am sure divine help I found another verse that backed up the proper Isaiah11:6, it was this verse.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

This ended the mandela effect crusade on that Christian forum . The one poster said some odd things like " boredom in heaven was a possibility ":shock .

The night the mandela was over on the Christian forum I did my usual prayer routine where I go outside on my front patio and pray .
I go out in almost total darkness no close neighbors or lights, not much star light or moon light that night as I went out .
I had been sitting down outside for about a minute when right over my shoulder I heard this vicious , wet snarl unlike any animal I had ever heard and it did not sound human . Now at this point one would think FEAR would have struck me but this is what happened either at the same time or right before the Comforter said this to me "That's Demonic" .
I had absolutely no signs of fright either , hair standing up on the neck or goose bumps . The Comforter indeed .

So yes, the Holy Spirit gave me a short message .
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Thanks for sharing that, but this bears no similarity to " Speaking Tongues " as it is being discussed ?
 
eddif said:
Lots of scripture about grass.
I have a 35hp mower and it struggled some last week in a patch I let get tall.

I think hawkman eddif both seem to be too tall lately LOL.

eddif
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Yes, it seems for all those tight lipped, speaker in tongues, revealers, interpreters, messengers , explainers, conceptualizers, present here any patch of tall grass, or port in a storm will do .
The uniform silence from one and all of them regarding submitting any actual substance for their much boasted and self promoted linguistic spiritual prowess is deafening.
It may be they don't consider the audience in attendance here large enough to warrant a performance ?
 
All that is broken in this world is faith, nobody has it, and no wonder they insist we have to have tongue, or claim they talk in them, it is yet another secret they wish to keep along with all they do secretly..



Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
 
For those who pray in tongues to themselves what benefit is there in that when there is no thinking or knowledge of what you are saying. According to Scripture, that person is not praying to God but to a god.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

he who speaks in a tongue. This is singular (see previous note; cf. 1Co_14:4, 1Co_14:13-14, 1Co_14:19, 1Co_14:27), indicating that it refers to the false gibberish of the counterfeit pagan ecstatic speech. The singular is used because gibberish can't be plural; there are not various kinds of non-language. There are, however, various languages; hence when speaking of the true gift of language, Paul uses the plural to make the distinction (1Co_14:6, 1Co_14:18, 1Co_14:22-23, 1Co_14:29). The only exception is in verses 1Co_14:27, 28 (see note there), where it refers to a single person speaking a single genuine language.

does not speak to men but to God. This is better translated, "to a god." The Greek text has no definite article (see similar translation in Act_17:23, "an unknown god"). Their gibberish was worship of pagan deities. The Bible records no incident of any believer ever speaking to God in any other than normal human language.

no one understands him; … in the spirit he speaks mysteries. The carnal Corinthians using the counterfeit ecstatic speech of paganism were not interested in being understood, but in making a dramatic display. The spirit by which they spoke was not the Holy Spirit, but their own human spirit or some demon; and the mysteries they declared were the type associated with the pagan mystery religions, which was espoused to be the depths that only the initiated few were privileged to know and understand. Those mysteries were totally unlike the ones mentioned in Scripture (e.g., Mat_13:11; Eph_3:9), which are divine revelations of truths previously hidden (see notes on 1Co_12:7; Eph_3:4-6).
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gordon777 said:
I will return another time, to help correct all everybody says on the theology forum.
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I hope you have a lot of snacks:popcorn:pepsi2close by when you return, sounds like you will be here for the long haul .

Did you ever solve the riddle of the 2X4 ? :?
 
electedbyhim said:
For those who pray in tongues to themselves what benefit is there in that when there is no thinking or knowledge of what you are saying. According to Scripture, that person is not praying to God but to a god.
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Now this is curious , how do you think one can speak without thinking ?
 
hawkman said:
Now this is curious , how do you think one can speak without thinking ?
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That is the mystery of speaking in tongues. When I speak in tongues I am creating sounds that bypass my conscious mind.

This verse describes it best... 1 Corinthians 14:4, "If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive."

This verse also applies... 1 Corinthians 14:2, "For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to people but to God, for no one understands; he is speaking mysteries by the Spirit."
 
electedbyhim said:
For those who pray in tongues to themselves what benefit is there in that when there is no thinking or knowledge of what you are saying. According to Scripture, that person is not praying to God but to a god.
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"does not speak to men but to God. This is better translated, "to a god." The Greek text has no definite article (see similar translation in Act_17:23, "an unknown god"). "

Yes or no question .
Do you believe as your commentary that, "This is better translated "to a god" " ?
 
hawkman said:
"does not speak to men but to God. This is better translated, "to a god." The Greek text has no definite article (see similar translation in Act_17:23, "an unknown god"). "

Yes or no question .
Do you believe as your commentary that, "This is better translated "to a god" " ?
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So why do you add the definite article if it isn't in the Greek?
 
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