Enemy?
I do not consider anyone here my enemy.
Am I your enemy because I do not agree with you?
Once again I am lost.
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Twelve rules that are broken when people speak in tongues Part 2
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I do not consider anyone here my enemy.
Am I your enemy because I do not agree with you?
Once again I am lost.
commentaries are good but they are just men's comments . but you have pay very close attention what they are saying.. i use the net some things are looking good till you see one little phrase check the source i do research on the net background its hard find background history .. i also do word research. my self tongues is issue im not sure of . i have seen much talking but i got nothing from it but is a gift ..but not all have same gift
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The last week or so I feel like a commentary. Hopefully I do not provide what someone has to believe, but get out enough information to help others past the hard outer shell.
This is about gentile corn, and may not relate to Jewish - Greek corn.
Outer shell?
Corn kernels. Inner part of corn we can find nourishment in.
Gentile corn of today:
Eaten mature ground up as cornmeal can cause pellagra. Corn has B3 but is bound to seed material and the body can not digest it as is.
If the corn is boiled in lime waterthe outer covering is loosened, removed, and the B3 can be assimilated. Masa flour is made from lime cooked corn.
Scripture is sometimes similar. You need the covering off the text and how to get the best individual use from scripture. The preacher is not to totally prepare what you are to believe, but help you prepare food.
1 Corinthians 14 has been a main source of information for a young gentile congregation.
At birth a good cry is found helpful, but later the crying almost never happens as much.
Tongues is a start of individual
growth. A start for some. These start their journey by tongues. To help others though you need to learn that another person has to hear in their more understandable language.
Tongues play a part in self development and tongues plus interpretation equals prophecy, which helps others. You can not whip a baby into writing a dissertation. They have to develop at their own pace. A good teacher can help.
I suggest the first few verses of
1 Corinthians 14 are a suggestion to correct use of tongues, rather than a warning against them.
eddif
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Thanks for the questions it gives me a chance to share what I do have practical experience with when it comes to Gifts of the Holy Spirit .
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Well my question if you will notice was directed to the interpreters, so I am not sure why you are answering on their behalf ?
Especially since you have stated you have nothing to "share" ?
So how is it that you have no knowledge of the interpreter's interpretation of your last message ?
I have never gave out a message in tongues from the Holy Spirit in a church service, so I have no words to share . I don't have the Gift of Interpretation of tongues . My main use of the Gift of Tongues so far is I pray in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. ( hawkman )
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Well my question if you will notice was directed to the interpreters, so I am not sure why you are answering on their behalf ?
Especially since you have stated you have nothing to "share" ?
So how is it that you have no knowledge of the interpreter's interpretation of your last message ?
Tongues are words. The language is just not explained for the hearer.
If we live by words we can live by tongues and interpretation.
Shadows are not the reality, but the reality is there to cast the shadow.
Post 74 is where food and drink was discussed gas shadows
eddif
The Spirit gave them utterance, to share what could be shared( signs shared)
Then when the Spirit of Christ is in someone, they no longer have that shared to others by the Spirit giving them utterance.
Now the Spirit helps our weaknesses, and the Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings (words) that cannot be uttered.
That is the mind of the Spirit, making intercession for the saints, according to the will of God.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Then when the Spirit of Christ is in someone, they no longer have that shared to others by the Spirit giving them utterance.
Now the Spirit helps our weaknesses, and the Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings (words) that cannot be uttered.
That is the mind of the Spirit, making intercession for the saints, according to the will of God.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So tongue is heavenly language, and that heavenly language constantly is making intercession for us, because we cannot.
Why would we want to hear any of that interpreted any longer ?
The PURPOSE HAS BEEN REVEALED. We require the Spirit making intercession for us, we do not need to hear that intercession ( interpretation of tongues) as we already believed.
That is why tongues are for those who do not believe( and it was signs for them) and IT DOES NOT SERVE FOR BELIEVERS.
Prophecy is fulfilled, when we believe that the Spirit is in us, but if anyone continues on spoeaking claimning tongues, it reveals they cannot possibly believe in the Spirit making intercession for the saints according to the will of God,with groanings that cannot be uttered.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Why would we want to hear any of that interpreted any longer ?
The PURPOSE HAS BEEN REVEALED. We require the Spirit making intercession for us, we do not need to hear that intercession ( interpretation of tongues) as we already believed.
That is why tongues are for those who do not believe( and it was signs for them) and IT DOES NOT SERVE FOR BELIEVERS.
Prophecy is fulfilled, when we believe that the Spirit is in us, but if anyone continues on spoeaking claimning tongues, it reveals they cannot possibly believe in the Spirit making intercession for the saints according to the will of God,with groanings that cannot be uttered.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Thank you so much for your comment. It triggered this.
There is knowledge in tongues.
There is help the translator provides, but the translator / interpreter is not prophesying, but is revealing what the person talking in tongues is saying.
Two lower gifts combined to arrive at the value of prophesy.
Does that help you see the intreperter. Honestly I learned something of what I am not.
eddif
Some may not need the interpreter, but others who are unbelivers or unlearned may need the message.
Two heavens:
Heaven where God is where a believers representation is.
And
The heaven we live in where a message for unbelivers or unlearned need help.
eddif
How would I not think the questions were directed to me ?
I am not sure if the questions above are directed to me . Please use this method if you need my help with your understanding of the Gift of Tongues , like this hawkman . And please use a quote box instead of what is going on above .
The hawlkmsn underlined is accomplished by @ immediately followed by halkman. The username usually jumps onscreen as you begin to type. Just click on the username.
This is for anyone who needs to know how to tag someone.
eddif
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So can you tell us when and what from God your last " revealing" detailed ?
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Why won't you share the revealed message of your gift with the people of God ?
1 Corinthians 14:14, "If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive." If tongues are words, how come the mind doesn't understand them?
Hopefully the last post concerning scripture on this site. We are a gathering and correct presentation of scripture by you or anyone else is prophecy. Prophecy does not have to be about future events. Prophecy can be about the secrets of a persons heart.
Prophecy to dry bones is prophecy
Y’all sound like you have a trap you would love to spring.
eddif
They are words in another language.
Jesus taught in parables. A sower went out to sow seeds in the ground: is a symbolic language. Our carnal mind usually does not hear:
The son of man went out to put the
Word of God in mens hearts
Yet
That is what Jesus told his disciples the parable said. Jesus interpreted one language to another more spiritual language.
But you will say it is not tongues. And I will say, but it was an unknown language to the multitudes.
The multitudes did not know seed stood for the Word of God.
Even the disciples asked what the parable meant.
Some people speak chemistry or biology and some don’t. Yet chemistry is normally based on created elements.
Chemists seldom see God in a formula, but God hides information about himself in photosynthesis.
I know ( but it isn’t tongues). LOL
eddif
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A yes or no will not give the answer here.
I wonder if Eve was trapped by a misquote of the meaning?
eddif
I will say that many things I have been reading in this thread and the other, really makes no sense to me and what I have learned from the written word.
I will always be honest and not looking to offend others, but I know that I can offend, even if not done intentionally. Just ask my wife.
Grace and peace to you.
I will always be honest and not looking to offend others, but I know that I can offend, even if not done intentionally. Just ask my wife.
Grace and peace to you.
That is simply your interpretation, and IMHO it is wrong.
I assume that you haven't been given the gift of speaking in tongues. I have been given that gift, so I speak from first-person knowledge.
You rationalization and denial doesn't change that fact.