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Twelve rules that are broken when people speak in tongues Part 2

I would not like to say that:
This very visual and well documented Daniel experience is all I would ever need to experience regarding an unknown language being interpreted (just by reading).
Some part of me would want to be involved with that today (in this time).

King David thirsted after the things of God. That seems a natural desire.


eddif
You could look at the "writing on the wall" as a pre-sage of interpretation of the gift of tongues...Supernatural intercession for our understandings.
 
What was the last prophesy you promoted to the people of God ?
Why haven't you given your last prophesy here already ?
For me I would think that having been gifted possession of a prophesy from God & then withholding it from God's people would be an insurmountable burden to bear.
You must be in torment keeping such prophesies from God all bottled up inside you ?
James 1:19 kjv
19. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20. For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

eddif
 
James 1:19 kjv
19. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak,
If you are saying the interpreter should be " slow " to promote prophesy, then every one of them in attendance here
is doing a fantastic job at it .
Have not uttered a syllable of prophesy in 5 days worth of two threads.

How many days do you think the interpreters here will keep us in suspense, before we hear even just a small sliver of prophesy ?
 
I do not see that as Biblical in anyway for today.

You can only have what you believe.

If you don't believe in Him then you do not have Him.

If you do not believe in the things He paid the price for you to have, then you won't have them.

If you don't believe the Promise of the Father is a gift for you, that He Himself paid for you to have, then you won't have it.

And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him. And Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.” Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.”
Matthew 9:28-28


JLB
 
Thanks for the questions it gives me a chance to share what I do have practical experience with when it comes to Gifts of the Holy Spirit .
Why then have you not shared a single word of your last gifted prophesy here on this forum to those hungry for God's interpreted message ?
I have never gave out a message in tongues from the Holy Spirit in a church service, so I have no words to share . I don't have the Gift of Interpretation of tongues . My main use of the Gift of Tongues so far is I pray in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.
Do you have something against the people in this forum ?
No.
If not, then why are you holding back your last prophesy ?
Speaking of the prophetic, I have had dreams that were prophetic for me . On another Christian forum I did share some of my dreams that were prophetic for me . I shared one dream I had in 2016 and did not think about the prophetic possibilities of the dream because the dream had too much of a sci-fi quality, I posted it and forgot about it . After co*vid was going strong I happen to look back on my posts and saw the sci-fi dream and now it no longer looked like sci-fi and I posted a reply and indicated what I thought . That Christian forum I posted on soon disappeared, was it something I said? So, will I be sharing my dreams on here? I don't think so .

Consecrated Life , I still have a couple of questions for you in post#95
 
You can only have what you believe.

If you don't believe in Him then you do not have Him.

If you do not believe in the things He paid the price for you to have, then you won't have them.

If you don't believe the Promise of the Father is a gift for you, that He Himself paid for you to have, then you won't have it.

And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him. And Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.” Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.”
Matthew 9:28-28


JLB
I am seeing there is a lot of miscommunication here. I will assume on my part.
 
The OP is so biased that it is ridiculous. Now speaking in tongues supposedly violates God's law. Interesting!
 
Thanks for the questions it gives me a chance to share what I do have practical experience with when it comes to Gifts of the Holy Spirit .

I have never gave out a message in tongues from the Holy Spirit in a church service, so I have no words to share . I don't have the Gift of Interpretation of tongues . My main use of the Gift of Tongues so far is I pray in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.

No.

Speaking of the prophetic, I have had dreams that were prophetic for me . On another Christian forum I did share some of my dreams that were prophetic for me . I shared one dream I had in 2016 and did not think about the prophetic possibilities of the dream because the dream had too much of a sci-fi quality, I posted it and forgot about it . After co*vid was going strong I happen to look back on my posts and saw the sci-fi dream and now it no longer looked like sci-fi and I posted a reply and indicated what I thought . That Christian forum I posted on soon disappeared, was it something I said? So, will I be sharing my dreams on here? I don't think so .

Consecrated Life , I still have a couple of questions for you in post#95
My main use of the Gift of Tongues so far is I pray in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.

May I ask who are you praying to and for what?

What is the purpose?

What language is it?


Grace and peace to you.
 
The OP is so biased that it is ridiculous. Now speaking in tongues supposedly violates God's law. Interesting!
Of course I am biased. I have studied both sides of the argument. I lived with these people for over a year.

Why is this ridiculous?

Are you not bias in your beliefs?

Grace and peace to you.
 
I am seeing there is a lot of miscommunication here. I will assume on my part.

Jesus paid the price for all the Church to have the promise of the Father.

The Promise of the Father
is the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

It is the power to live the Christian life as a witness.

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4-5

Do you believe that God wants you to have the Promise of the Father?



JLB
 
May I ask who are you praying to and for what?

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:2



The Spirit helps us in our weakness, our inability to know all the things we need to pray for according to the will of God.

Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Romans 8 26



JLB
 
Jesus paid the price for all the Church to have the promise of the Father.

The Promise of the Father
is the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

It is the power to live the Christian life as a witness.

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4-5

Do you believe that God wants you to have the Promise of the Father?



JLB
Yes, when the Lord saved me I was baptized into Christ and received Holy Spirit . Without the Spirit one is not saved and definitely cannot be obedient from the heart to Scripture.
 
Of course I am biased. I have studied both sides of the argument. I lived with these people for over a year.

Why is this ridiculous?

Are you not bias in your beliefs?

Grace and peace to you.
A year. Sometimes time is compressed, and we learn a lot in a year.
I floundered the first few years in the spiritual gifts school of hard knocks.
40 years later you have heard me speak (keyboard).

If you look at the letters to the Churches in Revelation, how long would you need to go through the 7 churches? How long would it take to see the differences in the churches?
How long would it take to write about what was going on.

Married life, job, distractions could slow progress. Paul was what 7? Oh years in study?

Then there is revelation: (Paul)
Galatians 1:11 kjv
11. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Skip to verse 17
V17
17. Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

There is a revelation side of Paul that upsets some. Dreams and visions do not upset me. Use care yes.

eddif
 
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:2



The Spirit helps us in our weakness, our inability to know all the things we need to pray for according to the will of God.

Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Romans 8 26



JLB

1 Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

he who speaks in a tongue.
This is singular (see previous note; cf. 1Co_14:4, 1Co_14:13-14, 1Co_14:19, 1Co_14:27), indicating that it refers to the false gibberish of the counterfeit pagan ecstatic speech. The singular is used because gibberish can't be plural; there are not various kinds of non-language. There are, however, various languages; hence when speaking of the true gift of language, Paul uses the plural to make the distinction (1Co_14:6, 1Co_14:18, 1Co_14:22-23, 1Co_14:29). The only exception is in verses 1Co_14:27, 28 (see note there), where it refers to a single person speaking a single genuine language.

does not speak to men but to God. This is better translated, "to a god." The Greek text has no definite article (see similar translation in Act_17:23, "an unknown god"). Their gibberish was worship of pagan deities. The Bible records no incident of any believer ever speaking to God in any other than normal human language.

no one understands him; … in the spirit he speaks mysteries. The carnal Corinthians using the counterfeit ecstatic speech of paganism were not interested in being understood, but in making a dramatic display. The spirit by which they spoke was not the Holy Spirit, but their own human spirit or some demon; and the mysteries they declared were the type associated with the pagan mystery religions, which was espoused to be the depths that only the initiated few were privileged to know and understand. Those mysteries were totally unlike the ones mentioned in Scripture (e.g., Mat_13:11; Eph_3:9), which are divine revelations of truths previously hidden (see notes on 1Co_12:7; Eph_3:4-6).
 
A year. Sometimes time is compressed, and we learn a lot in a year.
I floundered the first few years in the spiritual gifts school of hard knocks.
40 years later you have heard me speak (keyboard).

If you look at the letters to the Churches in Revelation, how long would you need to go through the 7 churches? How long would it take to see the differences in the churches?
How long would it take to write about what was going on.

Married life, job, distractions could slow progress. Paul was what 7? Oh years in study?

Then there is revelation: (Paul)
Galatians 1:11 kjv
11. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Skip to verse 17
V17
17. Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

There is a revelation side of Paul that upsets some. Dreams and visions do not upset me. Use care yes.

eddif
I understand what you are saying. The Lord has shown me through much prayer and diligent study. He has put solid Bible teachers/Pastors in my path to direct me.

I was persecuted by these people and their Pastors for going against his teaching and calling out the false teachings to his followers. The sermons one pastor preached, were aimed towards me because I was not on board with his teaching.

I was the outcast. The Lord brought me through and in His truth.
 
he who speaks in a tongue. This is singular (see previous note; cf. 1Co_14:4, 1Co_14:13-14, 1Co_14:19, 1Co_14:27), indicating that it refers to the false gibberish of the counterfeit pagan ecstatic speech. The singular is used because gibberish can't be plural; there are not various kinds of non-language. There are, however, various languages; hence when speaking of the true gift of language, Paul uses the plural to make the distinction (1Co_14:6, 1Co_14:18, 1Co_14:22-23, 1Co_14:29). The only exception is in verses 1Co_14:27, 28 (see note there), where it refers to a single person speaking a single genuine language.
Where are the notes you are referring us to ?
 
IMHO the promise of the Father is I will put the law in your hearts and minds. Hebrews 10:16
How?
A? The quickening spirit Jesus became
B? The Holy Spirit leading us into all truth.

Right now I really seek to see the truth on this.

eddif
 
Where are the notes you are referring us to ?
1 Corinthians 14:4

a tongue. Again (as in 1Co_14:2), Paul uses the singular to refer to the pagan counterfeit gibberish and sarcastically (cf. 1Co_14:16; 1Co_4:8-10 for other sarcasm) marks its selfishness as some kind of self-edification. This illicit building up of self comes from pride-induced emotion which only produces more pride.

edifies the church. See note on 1Co_12:7.
1 Corinthians 14:27-28

These verses provide regulations for the exercise of the gift: (1) only two or three persons in a service; (2) only speaking in turn, one at a time; and (3) only with an interpreter. Without those conditions, one was to meditate and pray silently.
 
I know we all do not believe the same doctrines. I would like to say thank you for all being mature about this.

We are brothers and sisters in Christ and we can still love one another even know we do not agree.

I believe this to be very healthy for everyone.

Grace and peace to you.
 
Look I get the:
Get yourself a good commentary and study. There was a time when I was there.
Then
Get a good commentary and Bible and study.
Or
Get a Bible and the Holy Spirit and go to Arabia.
Maybe
Get a saved Jewish friend and discuss scriptures.

Sometimes we go through all this and a brother says something that starts a new way of thought.

I knew a drunk that got saved and counseled people all over the United States by phone. We have different callings.



Agree with your enemy.
I am here and you are there. We might as well admit to that.
Paul before Roman officials said he was on a spiritual journey and not seeking a political / public upheaval.

eddif
 
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