What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[gordon777]

What saves now is a good conscience, see here:



Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Runmyramble]

What saves now is a good conscience, see here:



Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

True...but what is the Baptism that gives one a good conscience? Is our question now...

 

[gordon777]

True...but what is the Baptism that gives one a good conscience? Is our question now...

The baptism that contained a bad conscience was in the flood of Noah, so the world of the ungodly was condemned. ( they did not hear the preaching of righteousness from Noah.)


1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


Now peace was preached by Jesus Christ, to those who fear God and work righteousness to be accepted of Him.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power ( after baptism) and went about doing good and helping all oppressed of the devil. ( God with Him and He God.)



Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.





The good conscience is told, by belief that God raised up Christ our Lord from the dead.

If we do offences to others, we are not in a good conscience, and have an evil one/defiled..



Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[Runmyramble]

The baptism that contained a bad conscience was in the flood of Noah, so the world of the ungodly was condemned. ( they did not hear the preaching of righteousness from Noah.)


1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


Now peace was preached by Jesus Christ, to those who fear God and work righteousness to be accepted of Him.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power ( after baptism) and went about doing good and helping all oppressed of the devil. ( God with Him and He God.)



Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.





The good conscience is told, by belief that God raised up Christ our Lord from the dead.

If we do offences to others, we are not in a good conscience, and have an evil one/defiled..



Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Thanks again for your input...

 

[Runmyramble]

The baptism that contained a bad conscience was in the flood of Noah, so the world of the ungodly was condemned. ( they did not hear the preaching of righteousness from Noah.)


1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


Now peace was preached by Jesus Christ, to those who fear God and work righteousness to be accepted of Him.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power ( after baptism) and went about doing good and helping all oppressed of the devil. ( God with Him and He God.)



Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.





The good conscience is told, by belief that God raised up Christ our Lord from the dead.

If we do offences to others, we are not in a good conscience, and have an evil one/defiled..



Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

The way I see it is through a passage...1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Therefore my conclusion the Baptism has to do with the Spirit [eternal Spirit]

When we live up to or walk in the Spirit/light, in a sense, what we are given, we can have a clear conscience before God....

 

[Runmyramble]

The way I see it is through a passage...1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Therefore my conclusion the Baptism has to do with the Spirit [eternal Spirit]

When we live up to or walk in the Spirit/light, in a sense, what we are given, we can have a clear conscience before God....

 

[Runmyramble]

The baptism that contained a bad conscience was in the flood of Noah, so the world of the ungodly was condemned. ( they did not hear the preaching of righteousness from Noah.)


1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


Now peace was preached by Jesus Christ, to those who fear God and work righteousness to be accepted of Him.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power ( after baptism) and went about doing good and helping all oppressed of the devil. ( God with Him and He God.)



Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.





The good conscience is told, by belief that God raised up Christ our Lord from the dead.

If we do offences to others, we are not in a good conscience, and have an evil one/defiled..



Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Actually Gordon..I did not see that...
The quickening..."God lifting up"
I have to look at sine translations tks for that..made me think...

 

[jaybo]

I am tired of this thread. The OP is misleading; baptism saves no one. End of story.

 

[gordon777]

We also are anointed( baptized of the Holy Spirit) if we believe that Jesus Christ is the Anointed of God and was Anointed of the Spirit for the purpose of baptizing us with the Holy Spirit( given upon His death and rising again/glorification.)




John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

 

[Cnkw3]

Something that makes your argument invalid is that it lacks the distinction between a purpose of something and the process by which that something is obtained. "For the remission of sin" (or "for the forgiveness of sins") is a statement of the purpose of water baptism. It doesn't mean baptism is required before remission/forgiveness is obtained.

That Is true nonsense! I will prove it with one verse.
Matt 26:28. For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This is the exact greek phrase found in acts 2:38. Now lets use your reasoning and understanding….
For the remission of sins is just a statement of the purpose of the shed blood. It doesn’t mean the shed blood is required for sins to be forgiven.
That understanding is beyond false. You cant have it both ways; If the shed blood of Jesus is required to forgive sins (which it is) then water baptism is required for sins to be forgiven. So now whose argument is invalid?

The people spoken to were Jews who had need to renounce the pharisaical system and embrace the system espoused by Jesus and the apostles. Therefore, in order to be accepted into the church that Christ was building, they needed to prove that they had embraced it by being baptized as Peter commanded. Then the apostles could accept them into the church body, as it states that 3000 were added that day.

Where does any scripture say that? That is made up. Cornelius was a gentile and he too was commanded, by the exact same person (peter), to be baptized in water in the name of the Lord which is the exact same as what he told the jews on Pentecost. If baptism in the name of christ was for remission of sins in acts 2:38 then it is the same in acts 10. Saul of tarsus was told the exact same thing too. Why does every single detailed conversion account in acts include water baptism?

This doesn't negate the fact that water baptism is a work that people do, and works of humans do not cause God to save anyone. On the contrary, God is the first cause of the new creation, as He was of the old. Therefore, baptism is the response of someone who has already been converted by God to believe the gospel. This is well-exampled in Acts by Cornelius and the Ethiopian Eunuch.

Your going to have to break those verses down for me. Cornelius was told to send for a preacher that would tell him WORDS by which he would be saved. How many of the words of Peter were required in order to save? 10?, 20? NO! ALL OF THEM including the last ones recorded……I command you to be baptized in water!
The text even says that….”as I began to speak the HG fell on them as on us.” Peter had barely gotten any words out before the spirit shows up. Peter must give the invitation right at the beginning before he even preaches about Jesus.
And
Show me where the Eunuch was converted before baptism? My Bible doesn’t say that. My Bible says that he went on his way rejoicing AFTER he was baptized. Why then? Must be because at that point he knew his sins had been “washed away”. Acts 22:16

So this is a prime example how you take one verse of scripture to support your cause, and yet disregard the preponderance of evidence in the whole of the NT.

One verse??? Hahaha. Lets see????
Mk 16:16. Salvation occurs after baptism
acts 2:38 remission of sins happens at baptism
Acts 3:19 baptism is the act of conversion
Acts 22:16. Sins washed away in baptism
Every detailed example in acts includes water baptism.
Acts 8 Eunuch went away rejoicing after baptism
Acts 16. Jailor is called a believer after immediate baptism in the middle of the night
Acts 19. Disciples in Ephesus baptized a second time because they didnt do it right the first time.
Rom 6. Baptism puts us “into Christ” and is when we are “raised to walk in newness of life”. (BORN AGAIN)
Col 2:11-13. Baptism is the circumcision made with out hands. The cutting away the sins of the flesh. Through baptism we are quickend (made alive….BORN AGAIN).
Gal 3:26-29. Being a child of God by faith is explained as….putting on Christ through baptism into Christ and becoming an heir to the promise of Abraham.
1 Pet 3:21. Baptism also doth now “save us”. ( boy if you only had a faith only verse like that).

Now. I‘ll be looking for all of your faith only verses that save us. Not saved by faith but saved by faith alone. How about an example or two as well?

 

[Cnkw3]

I am tired of this thread. The OP is misleading; baptism saves no one. End of story.

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

I would hate to think my doctrine has to look at this verse and say…Peter you are soooo wrong. You know water never saved anybody.

 

[gordon777]

The way I see it is through a passage...1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Therefore my conclusion the Baptism has to do with the Spirit [eternal Spirit]

When we live up to or walk in the Spirit/light, in a sense, what we are given, we can have a clear conscience before God....

But now you may see, that a clear conscience is the gift of grace, the grace of Christ. That is why the law sas given by Moses, BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.

The law is the example of an evil conscience ( that is why all died in the law of sin and death Romans 8:1-2.)

The sacrifices yearly in the law never made the comers perfect( they had a remembrance in their conscience yearly for sins)

They retained a conscience of doing wickedness and requiring forgiveness for it, without that conscience ever being made evil.

Jesus comes to establish the ( new living way) covenant, and takes away the old ( dead in sin)

The offering of the body of Jesus sanctifies us ( purged from conscience of sins)

Jesus sanctifies forever them that are perfected ( in the good conscience)

We have the High Priest ( Jesus Christ) over the house of God, to draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, by having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience ( an evil heart of unbelief) and our bodies washed with pure water. ( faith in a pure heart, 1 Timothy 1:5, 2 Timothy 2:22, by the water that came out of the belly of Christ our Lord and Saviour)




John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.





Perfect is the conscience and the faith ( hearts purified by faith.) in belief of the perfect sacrifice made for us, that Christ being alive means we are now alive in our conscience and understanding of God.




Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?



1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[Runmyramble]

But now you may see, that a clear conscience is the gift of grace, the grace of Christ. That is why the law sas given by Moses, BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.

The law is the example of an evil conscience ( that is why all died in the law of sin and death Romans 8:1-2.)

The sacrifices yearly in the law never made the comers perfect( they had a remembrance in their conscience yearly for sins)

They retained a conscience of doing wickedness and requiring forgiveness for it, without that conscience ever being made evil.

Jesus comes to establish the ( new living way) covenant, and takes away the old ( dead in sin)

The offering of the body of Jesus sanctifies us ( purged from conscience of sins)

Jesus sanctifies forever them that are perfected ( in the good conscience)

We have the High Priest ( Jesus Christ) over the house of God, to draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, by having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience ( an evil heart of unbelief) and our bodies washed with pure water. ( faith in a pure heart, 1 Timothy 1:5, 2 Timothy 2:22, by the water that came out of the belly of Christ our Lord and Saviour)




John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.





Perfect is the conscience and the faith ( hearts purified by faith.) in belief of the perfect sacrifice made for us, that Christ being alive means we are now alive in our conscience and understanding of God.




Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?



1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Tks for your contribution...
I'll be back after I print it out later..to asked a question on Hebrews.....something I always pondered about...with my significant other...

 

[Cnkw3]

2Co 4:18,

This is Paul talking about having heaven and eternal life as your focus and not on the things of this life. This physical world does not convey a spiritual meaning.

Heb 8:5,

I dont know about this verse but yes the objects of the OT law were types and shadows of what we now have. That doesn’t include baptism.

Heb 11:19,

Just because the KJV uses the word figure doesn’t mean that this was a physical thing conveying a spiritual message.
The NET Bible says this.
and he reasoned that God could even raise him from the dead, and in a sense he received him back from there.
Abraham received Isaac from the dead womb of his wife, and the kid was basically dead seeing that Abraham had raised his hand to kill him before he was stopped. So I dont think this measures up.

Eph 5:14, 1Co 2:13 are just a few examples of how physical things are used to convey spiritual meaning. In addition, doesn't the Grk term "pneuma" tell us the same? The natural meaning is "breath," so it is not the lexical definition of the term, but the context on how it is used that determines its meaning. It is the context of how that word is used to convey the meaning "spirit." So it is with the usage of terms like "baptism."

Baptism is a made up word. The Greek is a word that means to immerse so if they were being good translators they would have translated it…immersion.

Again, it seems like you just want to argue, and so I'm close to leaving you in your rabbit hole.

Yes if you are going to take things out of context as you did in Rom 3 then yes we are going to have problems.

It seems to me you need a lot more study of Paul's teachings to see that obedience to any commands, including God's, will not save anyone.

Hahah. Ok, This discussion has officially gone to the absurd! The writer of Heb said….
Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to ALL that obey him!!!!
And now you want to take the position obedience of any kind can not and will not save??? Really. I would hate to be at judgment with this as my argument.

It's a statement about WHO has been saved, NOT HOW. The ones WHO obey Christ are those saved. But you are obviously confusing the WHO with the HOW. Again, the salvation = faith plus works formula is heresy.

I know you have to believe in Rom 10:9,10. These verses require both belief and confession for salvation. Paul also says in vs 13-15 that you cant do any of this without hearing the word first. So…..Does one have to OBEY these commands in order to be saved (which is the how).
Can i hear but not believe and be saved?
Can I hear, believe but not confess and be saved?
Can I hear, believe, confess and not “call on the name of the Lord” Vs13 and be saved?
The obvious answer to all of these is NO! So through the use of logic we should be able to see that obedience to Gods commands are necessary for Salvation.
According to you “no obedience of any kind to Gods commands are necessary for salvation. This must mean all are saved.

Yet more confusion of who with how.

How is being obedient to believing in Jesus…..”who and how”?
Who is saved? The one that obeys. Heb 5:9
How did they become saved? They obeyed Jesus.
Im not confused. Tell me how this reasoning is wrong.

Repent and be baptized for remission of sins…
Who receives remission of sins? Those that repent and are baptized
How did they receive remission of sins? They obeyed Peters commands to be baptized to remove them.
Would they have had remission of sins without the obedience? NO!!!!!

You're confusing "pleasing God" with salvation. There is a cart and a horse, but it seems you don't know the difference.

You didnt answer any of those easy questions!!! Why? If Im so wrong why don’t you take the time to show me HOW i am so wrong.
Can one be saved but not pleasing to God? I dont think so. We do see people through the Bible that were Gods people like David and Moses and Peter who made mistakes and obviously God was not pleased BUT these people repented and were forgiven and back into favor with God. If you become unpleasing to God and stay there you are LOST. Like Judas.
If a Christian today sins against God what is he to do? Acts 8, 1 Jn 1.….repent, confess and pray. What if they dont do that? LOST.
Can a person be pleasing to God but not saved? NO WAY. He is not pleased with people who choose to stay in sin.

 

[Cnkw3]

It seems to me we're not reading the same Bible, if this last statement is what you stand on. I think we can agree to disagree.

What statement? That the Bible answers all questions? Of course it does. What answers do the Bible not have? Again, you are a person who says they care about the Bible but clearly doesn’t care for what it says. It was not me but Peter that said…..
2 Pet 1:3. According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Would you say to Peter what you just said to me?
Peter says….repent and be baptized for salvation.
Tdid says…..Pete I guess we can just agree to disagree.

 

[Cnkw3]

It seems to me we're not reading the same Bible, if this last statement is what you stand on. I think we can agree to disagree.

Oh….and Im still waiting for ALL those verses that say we are saved by faith alone

 

[gordon777]

You didnt answer any of those easy questions!!! Why? If Im so wrong why don’t you take the time to show me HOW i am so wrong.
Can one be saved but not pleasing to God? I dont think so. We do see people through the Bible that were Gods people like David and Moses and Peter who made mistakes and obviously God was not pleased BUT these people repented and were forgiven and back into favor with God. If you become unpleasing to God and stay there you are LOST. Like Judas.
If a Christian today sins against God what is he to do? Acts 8, 1 Jn 1.….repent, confess and pray. What if they dont do that? LOST.
Can a person be pleasing to God but not saved? NO WAY. He is not pleased with people who choose to stay in sin.

You mention Peter as an example of being unpleasing to God.

Peter was chosen to be pleasing to God, you have it the wrong way around.

Peter was kept in the word while Jesus was with them, but after Jesus departed, the Spirit of power was given to them.

Then they are bold, and do everything according to what is revealed to them ( the Lords Holy Apostles)

Peter also has to have it revealed to him, that God is now accepting the Gentiles, as all hearts are purified by faith, when before that, it was unlawful for a Jew to be with a non Jew.



Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

 

[gordon777]

If a Christian today sins against God what is he to do? Acts 8, 1 Jn 1.….repent, confess and pray. What if they dont do that? LOST.
Can a person be pleasing to God but not saved? NO WAY. He is not pleased with people who choose to stay in sin.

Acts 8, is calling men to repent, not to keep repenting, true repentance is NOT TO BE REPENTED OF..



Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

 

[Cnkw3]

Acts 8, is calling men to repent, not to keep repenting,

No acts 8:22 was spoken to one man. Simon. A man who had obeyed the gospel then fell back into sin. Peter then explained that he needed to repent and pray for forgiveness.

true repentance is NOT TO BE REPENTED OF..

Thats not what the verse says.

 

[Cnkw3]

You mention Peter as an example of being unpleasing to God.

Peter was chosen to be pleasing to God, you have it the wrong way around.

So when Peter denied Christ 3 times God was pleased with him? Ok. good. Good to know.