What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[gordon777]

No acts 8:22 was spoken to one man. Simon. A man who had obeyed the gospel then fell back into sin. Peter then explained that he needed to repent and pray for forgiveness.

Thats not what the verse says.

That is incorrect and misunderstood by you.

Simon had not obeyed the Gospel as you state.

Simon had never even received the Holy Ghost, and when Simon saw that the hands on people by the Apostles gave the Holy Ghost he wanted that too.



Acts 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,



To obey the Gospel is obedience of faith, Simon never had faith and that is why he made the mistakes he made.



Also, the word does show repentance is not to be repented of, we do not draw back to perdition, but believe to the saving of the soul. Hebrews 10:39.




Simon was this:



Acts 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

 

[gordon777]

So when Peter denied Christ 3 times God was pleased with him? Ok. good. Good to know.

Yes as it displays the grace of Christ who graced Peter to confess Him three times after risen..


John 21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

 

[jaybo]

Yes as it displays the grace of Christ who graced Peter to confess Him three times after risen..


John 21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Peter was also called "Satan" by Jesus -- the only human that Jesus called by that name, said that he was "a stumbling block" and said he had men's interests in mind, not God's. Matthew 16:23, "But 1) he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! 2) You are a stumbling block to me, because 3) you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but on man’s.”

It is not by accident that the Holy Spirit had Matthew write these verses shortly after Jesus said to Peter in verses 16-18, "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven! And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it."

The glorification of Peter is unScriptural! He was a deeply flawed man who used a sword to violently assault another when they came to arrest Jesus, denied Christ three times at HIs very critical final hours, was a hypocrite while in Galatia to the point that Paul had to call him out, and was designated as an apostle to the Jews (only).

This is also off-topic so I will not discuss it further. You should drop it also.

 

[gordon777]

Peter was also called "Satan" by Jesus -- the only human that Jesus called by that name, said that he was "a stumbling block" and said he had men's interests in mind, not God's. Matthew 16:23, "But 1) he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! 2) You are a stumbling block to me, because 3) you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but on man’s.”

It is not by accident that the Holy Spirit had Matthew write these verses shortly after Jesus said to Peter in verses 16-18, "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven! And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it."

The glorification of Peter is unScriptural! He was a deeply flawed man who used a sword to violently assault another when they came to arrest Jesus, denied Christ three times at HIs very critical final hours, was a hypocrite while in Galatia to the point that Paul had to call him out, and was designated as an apostle to the Jews (only).

This is also off-topic so I will not discuss it further. You should drop it also.

Jesus told them to get the swords ( scripture needed fulfilling, GET SOME FAITH MAN)


Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

 

[gordon777]

Peter had the Lords new revelation given to him, for the Gentiles no longer required to be separated from, how can anyone be a hypocrite when they need to have the truth revealed to them.

Paul had to sum up for all to understand that what Peter did until the new revelation of the Lord, will never be repeated again by anyone.( this is called faith to know this, and accusation on the Lords Holy Apostles to call them hypocrites)




Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

 

[jaybo]

Jesus told them to get the swords ( scripture needed fulfilling, GET SOME FAITH MAN)


Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Peter attacked one of the High Priest's guards who came to arrest Jesus. He was the only one to do so and Jesus reprimanded him for it. John 18:10-11, "Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, pulled it out and struck the high priest’s slave, cutting off his right ear. (Now the slave’s name was Malchus.) But Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword back into its sheath! Am I not to drink the cup that the Father has given me?” Get some truth man!!!

Same story... Luke 22:38, "So they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords." Then he told them, “It is enough.” Then the story continues in Luke 22:49-51, "When those who were around him saw what was about to happen, they said, “Lord, should we use our swords?” Then one of them [Peter] struck the high priest’s slave, cutting off his right ear. But Jesus said, “Enough of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him." Get some truth man!!!

Get rid of your need to justify violence and return to discussing the OP subject: baptism.

 

[jaybo]

Peter had the Lords new revelation given to him, for the Gentiles no longer required to be separated from, how can anyone be a hypocrite when they need to have the truth revealed to them.

Paul had to sum up for all to understand that what Peter did until the new revelation of the Lord, will never be repeated again by anyone.( this is called faith to know this, and accusation on the Lords Holy Apostles to call them hypocrites)




Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Peter was the apostle to the Jews, a.k.a, the circumcised. Galatians 2:6-10, "But from those who were influential (whatever they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism between people—those influential leaders added nothing to my message. On the contrary, when they saw that I was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised just as Peter was entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who empowered Peter for his apostleship to the circumcised also empowered me for my apostleship to the Gentiles) and when James, Cephas, and John, who had a reputation as pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we would go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised They requested only that we remember the poor, the very thing I also was eager to do."

I believe what the Bible clearly says, not denominational fiction.

 

[Cnkw3]

Peter had the Lords new revelation given to him, for the Gentiles no longer required to be separated from, how can anyone be a hypocrite when they need to have the truth revealed to them.

Paul had to sum up for all to understand that what Peter did until the new revelation of the Lord, will never be repeated again by anyone.( this is called faith to know this, and accusation on the Lords Holy Apostles to call them hypocrites)




Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

So Peter and Paul taught different doctrines or faiths?

 

[gordon777]

Peter attacked one of the High Priest's guards who came to arrest Jesus. He was the only one to do so and Jesus reprimanded him for it. John 18:10-11, "Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, pulled it out and struck the high priest’s slave, cutting off his right ear. (Now the slave’s name was Malchus.) But Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword back into its sheath! Am I not to drink the cup that the Father has given me?” Get some truth man!!!

Same story... Luke 22:38, "So they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords." Then he told them, “It is enough.” Then the story continues in Luke 22:49-51, "When those who were around him saw what was about to happen, they said, “Lord, should we use our swords?” Then one of them [Peter] struck the high priest’s slave, cutting off his right ear. But Jesus said, “Enough of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him." Get some truth man!!!

Get rid of your need to justify violence and return to discussing the OP subject: baptism.

This precedes your accusations on the Lords Holy Apostle Peter:

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.



Peter had no knowledge of that scripture, that is why Jesus told the Apostles about it here:


Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.


Then it was fulfilled( the swords were not directed to be bought for no purpose by Christ)

You can accuse Peter as much as you wish, but the verses show the purpose behind the swords and the use of them, was fulfilled.

 

[gordon777]

Peter was the apostle to the Jews, a.k.a, the circumcised. Galatians 2:6-10, "But from those who were influential (whatever they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism between people—those influential leaders added nothing to my message. On the contrary, when they saw that I was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised just as Peter was entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who empowered Peter for his apostleship to the circumcised also empowered me for my apostleship to the Gentiles) and when James, Cephas, and John, who had a reputation as pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we would go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised They requested only that we remember the poor, the very thing I also was eager to do."

I believe what the Bible clearly says, not denominational fiction.

Peter had to do what was lawful for the Jews, until God changed it, you have no accusation left in your mouth.


Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[jaybo]

This precedes your accusations on the Lords Holy Apostle Peter:

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.



Peter had no knowledge of that scripture, that is why Jesus told the Apostles about it here:


Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.


Then it was fulfilled( the swords were not directed to be bought for no purpose by Christ)

You can accuse Peter as much as you wish, but the verses show the purpose behind the swords and the use of them, was fulfilled.

Peter, a Jew and a disciple of Jesus, had no knowledge of Isaiah? Okay, then, that ends that discussion. Try learning the truth!

Your rationalization about violence is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus. Get real!!!

 

[Runmyramble]

Peter had to do what was lawful for the Jews, until God changed it, you have no accusation left in your mouth.


Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

I believe Peter was being taught as things unfolded...

 

[gordon777]

See the new thread made regarding speaking evil of dignities ( misunderstanding and accusations about the Holy Apostle of the Holy Lord Jesus Christ, Peter.

 

[gordon777]

Peter, a Jew and a disciple of Jesus, had no knowledge of Isaiah? Okay, then, that ends that discussion. Try learning the truth!

Your rationalization about violence is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus. Get real!!!

Not until after Jesus was risen then He opened up their understanding of the scriptures.


Also, your accusations of the Lords dignities, is fully answered in a new thread, especially for all those, not afraid to speak evil of dignities and why they do it.




Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

 

[tdidymas]

Oh….and Im still waiting for ALL those verses that say we are saved by faith alone

So I take it you're admitting that your formula for salvation is faith plus your work. I get it. So no, I won't give you answers on a silver platter. Since you obviously just want to win the debate, I'll leave you in your rabbit hole. So long, and may God bless.

 

[gordon777]

So I take it you're admitting that your formula for salvation is faith plus your work. I get it. So no, I won't give you answers on a silver platter. Since you obviously just want to win the debate, I'll leave you in your rabbit hole. So long, and may God bless.

What saves us is believing in the love of God, that God died for us, so we don't die.

Anyone who has that belief, ( in love.) recognizes that faith is the act of love that God did ( along with creating all in faith that also exists, which is us alive and all we see and all we do not see.)

Through that righteous belief in love, we walk in His love to wards others even as He did ( as Jesus walks in us for ever, as He died for us to live, and we die to ourselves so others live too, through Christ in us and through us as on with Him in love.)

 

[jaybo]

Not until after Jesus was risen then He opened up their understanding of the scriptures.


Also, your accusations of the Lords dignities, is fully answered in a new thread, especially for all those, not afraid to speak evil of dignities and why they do it.




Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Having no knowledge of the scriptures is different than understanding them correctly, so your statement was misleading. And I have no idea what you mean about my accusations of "the Lords dignities".

 

[gordon777]

2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

 

[gordon777]

Having no knowledge of the scriptures is different than understanding them correctly, so your statement was misleading. And I have no idea what you mean about my accusations of "the Lords dignities".

jaybo, never open a private conversation in anyone's inbox, without first asking their permission, it is very presumptuous of you to try to do that with me.



Psalm 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

 

[jaybo]

2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

This gives me even more reason not to read the King James translation. The Englyshe is bizarre. "... them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness" and "... these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities". Really! Don't forget that the Koine Greek of the New Testament was the lingua franca of the Mediterranean world.