"What must I do to be saved?"

[brakelite2]

Nicodemus had all the upbringing, the education, the good name, the teaching, the law, he had his posotion on the council, his reputation, and all the belief in God in the world. He had the doctrines and the traditions and according to the laws of Moses was very likely, just as Paul was, perfect.
He wasn't like the other members of the sannhedrin of the time who were for the most part snakes in the grass, hypocrites, and murderers. He wasn't mean, conniving, greedy, selfish, unkind, or politically ambitious.
But nor was he saved. Why? Because he wasn't born again.
All the doctrines, belief systems and creeds and good works will get you no closer to the strait gate that leads to the kingdom of God than practicing santaria on the Sabbath.
We all, whether born into the church (whatever church), or educated in the best institutions, or awarded flash degrees from the best theological seminaries, will die the death of the sinner except we be born again.
Not the populist 'born again' that is so much in favor with fashionable folk chasing votes and/or positions of influence and power, but the experiential variety that radically effects the way we think, act, speak, and behave.
We have no more power to effect this 'born again' experience than we did the first time we were born. But we do have the choice as to whether we want to be born again.

 

[Lee100]

Yes, you would be surprised how many people who will tell you they are saved who are not.
You must be born again, blood bought, covered and saved by the grace of Almighty God by faith in His Precious Son the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ who is the same as God. You can tell a lot of the time when people are not saved when they say they are. You can almost since it. My prayer is for all those who are to be saved will be saved soon. Time is running out, the final hour is approaching. Jesus is standing at the door, knocking, can you here him, can you here the foot steps of the Messiah coming down the halls of heaven, majestic and powerful, glorious in beauty and splendor, coming for us to take us home. How will you feel on that day, there are only two possibilities, in (awe) are (ashamed). Fear will fill the hearts of all who see him face to face. Everybody in the Bible who saw Him when He was glorified fell down as a dead man from fear. Earth and Sky fled away from Him because there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11. The power of the risen Christ, who that is unrighteous will be able to stand. Glory be your Name. Lee

 

[Joe67]

When He comes, will he find faith?

He is bringing grace and salvation.

We will need faith for our bodies to be changed from vile to glorious, from natural to spiritual.

Joe

 

[XTruth]

Jn.3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 Jn.2:3-6
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 Jn.3:6
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

[Solo]

Jn.3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 Jn.2:3-6
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 Jn.3:6
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

What commandments are we to keep? In a previous post you stated that it was not 9 of the 10 commandments, so which commandments are we to keep?

 

[XTruth]

Jn.3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 Jn.2:3-6
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 Jn.3:6
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

What commandments are we to keep? In a previous post you stated that it was not 9 of the 10 commandments, so which commandments are we to keep?

The following are the works of keeping salvation and the conditions of eternal life. Salvation isn’t kept and manifested as eternal unless you labor for it (Jn.6:27). We must also: come to Christ (Jn.6:37, 44, 45, 65); eat His flesh and drink His blood (Jn.6:50-51, 53, 58); reap (Jn.4:35-38); hate (love less) the life in this world (Jn.12:25); know God and Christ (Jn.17:2-3); enter right gate (Mat.7:13-14); cause no offense (Mat. 18:8-9); keep commandments (Mat.19:17; Jn.8:31, 51); forsake all (Mat.19:27-29; Mk.10:28-30; Lk.18:28-30); live free from sin (Rom.5:21; 6:16-23; 8:1-13; Tit.2:11-14); continue in well doing and seek eternal life (Rom.2:7); sow to the Spirit (Gal.6:7-8); fight the good fight of faith; lay hold on it (1 Tim.6:12, 19); be sober and hope to the end for it (Tit.1:2; 3:7; 1 Pt.1:5, 9, 13; Rom.8:24); endure temptations (Jas.1:12); let the promise of it remain in you and continue in God and Christ (1 Jn.2:24-25; 5:11-20); love everybody (1 Jn.3:14-15); keep yourself in the love of God, looking for eternal life (Jude 20-24); overcome sin (Rev.2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21); be faithful unto death (Rev.2:10; Heb.12:14-15); believe and obey the gospel (Jn.3:15-19, 36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:40; 47, 54; 2 Cor.5:17; Rom.1:5); and be born again, hear Christ, and follow Him (Jn.3; 10:27-29).

John 10:26-27
“26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:â€Â
Here are 3 things we must do and continue in to receive eternal life:
1) Believe, which implies complete and continued obedience (vs.26).
2) Hear His voice, and be not hearers only, but also doers of His Word (vs.27; Jas.1:22-27; 2:9-26).
3) Follow Christ, not only at the beginning of the Christian experience/journey, but daily and throughout life (vs.27; Lk.9:23. To claim eternal life when one does not follow is like the Jews claiming to know God and have eternal life. Jesus said this was not true (Jn.5:37-47; 8:54-55). I follow the doctrines that Jesus taught. 2 Jn.9 “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.â€Â

As for the 10 commandments, which you have said were not abolished, only fulfilled, I will have to say that both are true….....
“Mat.5:17-19 - 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.†“2 Cor.3:13 - And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.†“Eph.2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peaceâ€Â

Anyway, all the commandments were abolished; yet, they were all re-established in the New Covenant except the Sabbath. Your single command to “believe alone†is unbiblical, to be polite. One must believe to be saved (Jn.3:16), but if that were it, then most the Scriptures are worthless, even lies if they aren’t required.

10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS
1) Ex.20:3; Mat.22:37; Mk.12:30; Lk.10:27
2) Ex.20:4-6; Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; Rom.1:18-32; 2:22; 1 Cor.10:7, 14; Gal.5:20; Col.3:5; 1 Jn.5:20
3) Ex.20:7; Mat.12:31-32; Mk.3:28-29; 7:22; Lk.12:10; Col.3:8
4) Ex.20:8-11; Not commanded in the New Covenant for many reasons. Scriptures in the N.T. command absolute freedom from any obligation to the old Jewish Sabbath (Rom.14:5-6; Gal.4:9-10; Col.2:14-17).
5) Ex.20:12; Mat.15:4; 19:19; Mk.7:10; 10:19; Lk.18:20; Eph.6:2; Col.3:20; 2 Tim.3:2
6) Ex.20:13; Mat.5:21; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.13:9; Jas.2:11; 1 Pet.4:15; 1 Jn.3:15
7) Ex.20:14; Mat.5:27-32; 19:9, 18; Mk.10:11-12, 19; Lk.16:18; 18:20; Rom.2:22; 13:9; Gal.5:19; Jas.2:11
8) Ex.20:15; Mat.19:18; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.2:21; 13:9; Eph.4:28
9) Ex.20:16; Mat.15:19; 19:18; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.13:9
10) Ex.20:17; Mk.7:22; Lk.12:15; Rom.1:20; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Cor.6:10; Eph.5:3-5; Col.3:5; 1 Tim.3:3; 1 Thes.2:5; Heb.13:5

So there you have it. Obey the commandments of Christ, IF you claim to love Him (Jn.14:15-23; 1 Jn.5:1-4), be His friend (Jn.15:14; Jas.2:23), and to know Him (Jn.14:21-24; 15:10; 1 Jn.2:3-6; 3:6). Even the demons believe and are not saved, so this single commandment of yours fails miserably when held up to the full council of the Word of God.

 

[Solo]

XTruth,

Without a long ramble on, please give me your assessment of what commandments are to be followed in oreder to be saved.

Just to say all of Christ's commandments are not a sufficient enough of an answer. I would like a list without the confusing wherewithall posting of verse references. What commandments is one to keep in order to be saved?

 

[duval]

Here they are in the nutshell!

Jn.8:24: believe Jesus is the Christ

Lk.13:3: Repennt of sin or perish

Matt.10:32,33: Confess Jesus before men

Mark.16:16: Baptism. Baptism places one in Christ where the precious blood is applied.

I shall be most happy to elaborate!

 

[Solo]

Thanks duvall.

I still would like to see XTruth answer this one with an answer that is stated clearly and without all of the rabbit chasing attached.

 

[shad]

"What must I do to be saved?"

Believe in Jesus and follow Him faithfully until the end. This can be elaborated of course.

 

[XTruth]

XTruth,

Without a long ramble on, please give me your assessment of what commandments are to be followed in oreder to be saved.

Just to say all of Christ's commandments are not a sufficient enough of an answer. I would like a list without the confusing wherewithall posting of verse references. What commandments is one to keep in order to be saved?

Come on, now you are just being lazy. I gave you a very precise list. All you had to do at the 10 commandment section was look up the verses, though it should be quite clear that all the 10 commandments from the Mosaic Law should be kept except the keeping of the Sabbath. All commandments were re-established in the New Covenant except the Sabbath. How am I trying to talk around your question w/ such a thorough answer that gives direct answers?

Jas.2:10-12
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You've heard that no murderer has abiding life in them and is in danger of the judgment and hell fire (Mat.5:21-22; Gal.5:19-21; 1 Jn.3:14-15).
You've heard that no thief will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor.6:9-10).
You've heard that no sexually immoral person has any part in the kingdom of God (Gal.5:19-21; Eph.5:3-7).
You've read that all sinners from liars to murders have their portion in the lake of fire for eternity (Rev.21:8). Unbelievers are only one class listed with the sinners of Rev.21:8, not the only class. Yes even liars are eternally damned from God's kingdom (Rev.21:8, 27; 22:15).

So what commandments are we to obey you ask? There are many lists throughout our covenant that I have never referenced. Were the epistles written to "born from above" believers or not? Are epistles for the instruction, edification, warning, etc. of "born from above" believers to teach us how we are to live to be pleasing and holy to God, or not? Heb.12:14 "14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" Can one be guilty of hating his brother and still enter eternal life? 1 Jn.3:14-15 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." No hatred in a person's heart for his brother will allow him access into eternal life (Gal.5:19-21). These are a couple examples; I wouldn't want to confuse you with too many verse references or ramble on by speaking the Word of God....I know how annoying those references to the Words of life and death are :biglol

 

[awaken]

John 3:14: "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,"
John 3:15: "that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life."
John 3:16: ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
John 3:17: "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."
John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

Three times we are told that those who believe in Jesus have eternal life instead of being condemned, and twice we are told that those who don't believe in Jesus are condemned. All five occurrences of the word "believe" in the above passage come from the Greek word pisteuo, which means:
"To believe, have faith in, trust in Jesus"

 

[Solo]

XTruth,

Without a long ramble on, please give me your assessment of what commandments are to be followed in oreder to be saved.

Just to say all of Christ's commandments are not a sufficient enough of an answer. I would like a list without the confusing wherewithall posting of verse references. What commandments is one to keep in order to be saved?

Come on, now you are just being lazy. I gave you a very precise list. All you had to do at the 10 commandment section was look up the verses, though it should be quite clear that all the 10 commandments from the Mosaic Law should be kept except the keeping of the Sabbath. All commandments were re-established in the New Covenant except the Sabbath. How am I trying to talk around your question w/ such a thorough answer that gives direct answers?

Jas.2:10-12
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You've heard that no murderer has abiding life in them and is in danger of the judgment and hell fire (Mat.5:21-22; Gal.5:19-21; 1 Jn.3:14-15).
You've heard that no thief will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor.6:9-10).
You've heard that no sexually immoral person has any part in the kingdom of God (Gal.5:19-21; Eph.5:3-7).
You've read that all sinners from liars to murders have their portion in the lake of fire for eternity (Rev.21:8). Unbelievers are only one class listed with the sinners of Rev.21:8, not the only class. Yes even liars are eternally damned from God's kingdom (Rev.21:8, 27; 22:15).

So what commandments are we to obey you ask? There are many lists throughout our covenant that I have never referenced. Were the epistles written to "born from above" believers or not? Are epistles for the instruction, edification, warning, etc. of "born from above" believers to teach us how we are to live to be pleasing and holy to God, or not? Heb.12:14 "14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" Can one be guilty of hating his brother and still enter eternal life? 1 Jn.3:14-15 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." No hatred in a person's heart for his brother will allow him access into eternal life (Gal.5:19-21). These are a couple examples; I wouldn't want to confuse you with too many verse references or ramble on by speaking the Word of God....I know how annoying those references to the Words of life and death are :biglol

So you are saying that "10 commandments from the Mosaic Law should be kept except the keeping of the Sabbath. All commandments were re-established in the New Covenant except the Sabbath". What Scripture reference tells us this?

Which commandments do you have a problem with keeping as you walk through this life, day by day?

Do you still sin? Why or why not?

Solo

 

[XTruth]

XTruth,

Without a long ramble on, please give me your assessment of what commandments are to be followed in oreder to be saved.

Just to say all of Christ's commandments are not a sufficient enough of an answer. I would like a list without the confusing wherewithall posting of verse references. What commandments is one to keep in order to be saved?

Come on, now you are just being lazy. I gave you a very precise list. All you had to do at the 10 commandment section was look up the verses, though it should be quite clear that all the 10 commandments from the Mosaic Law should be kept except the keeping of the Sabbath. All commandments were re-established in the New Covenant except the Sabbath. How am I trying to talk around your question w/ such a thorough answer that gives direct answers?

Jas.2:10-12
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You've heard that no murderer has abiding life in them and is in danger of the judgment and hell fire (Mat.5:21-22; Gal.5:19-21; 1 Jn.3:14-15).
You've heard that no thief will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor.6:9-10).
You've heard that no sexually immoral person has any part in the kingdom of God (Gal.5:19-21; Eph.5:3-7).
You've read that all sinners from liars to murders have their portion in the lake of fire for eternity (Rev.21:8). Unbelievers are only one class listed with the sinners of Rev.21:8, not the only class. Yes even liars are eternally damned from God's kingdom (Rev.21:8, 27; 22:15).

So what commandments are we to obey you ask? There are many lists throughout our covenant that I have never referenced. Were the epistles written to "born from above" believers or not? Are epistles for the instruction, edification, warning, etc. of "born from above" believers to teach us how we are to live to be pleasing and holy to God, or not? Heb.12:14 "14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" Can one be guilty of hating his brother and still enter eternal life? 1 Jn.3:14-15 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." No hatred in a person's heart for his brother will allow him access into eternal life (Gal.5:19-21). These are a couple examples; I wouldn't want to confuse you with too many verse references or ramble on by speaking the Word of God....I know how annoying those references to the Words of life and death are :biglol

So you are saying that "10 commandments from the Mosaic Law should be kept except the keeping of the Sabbath. All commandments were re-established in the New Covenant except the Sabbath". What Scripture reference tells us this?

Solo

10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS
1) Ex.20:3; Mat.22:37; Mk.12:30; Lk.10:27
2) Ex.20:4-6; Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; Rom.1:18-32; 2:22; 1 Cor.10:7, 14; Gal.5:20; Col.3:5; 1 Jn.5:20
3) Ex.20:7; Mat.12:31-32; Mk.3:28-29; 7:22; Lk.12:10; Col.3:8
4) Ex.20:8-11; Not commanded in the New Covenant for many reasons. Scriptures in the N.T. command absolute freedom from any obligation to the old Jewish Sabbath (Rom.14:5-6; Gal.4:9-10; Col.2:14-17).
5) Ex.20:12; Mat.15:4; 19:19; Mk.7:10; 10:19; Lk.18:20; Eph.6:2; Col.3:20; 2 Tim.3:2
6) Ex.20:13; Mat.5:21; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.13:9; Jas.2:11; 1 Pet.4:15; 1 Jn.3:15
7) Ex.20:14; Mat.5:27-32; 19:9, 18; Mk.10:11-12, 19; Lk.16:18; 18:20; Rom.2:22; 13:9; Gal.5:19; Jas.2:11
8) Ex.20:15; Mat.19:18; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.2:21; 13:9; Eph.4:28
9) Ex.20:16; Mat.15:19; 19:18; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.13:9
10) Ex.20:17; Mk.7:22; Lk.12:15; Rom.1:20; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Cor.6:10; Eph.5:3-5; Col.3:5; 1 Tim.3:3; 1 Thes.2:5; Heb.13:5

 

[Solo]

The Judaizers came upon the brethren in the 1st century in the same manner that the Judaizers are trying to subvert the truth of God's Word to the brethren today. The apostles met together and made the following decision concerning which commandments to follow, not for salvation, but for protection from stifling the growth and maturation of the Christians' walk. The apostles asked the believers to abstain from meats offered to idols, to abstain from drinking blood, to abstain from eating things that were strangled, and to abstain from fornication. Out of the entire Mosaic law, these four things are what the Apostles decided upon to ask the believers to do.

• 1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. 3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. 32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. 33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles. 34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. Acts 15:1-33

Judaizers base their faith on keeping commandments like those who teach conditional salvation, not on faith in Jesus Christ like the Apostles taught.

Remember, what Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write to the Galatians:

• 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

 

[XTruth]

The Judaizers came upon the brethren in the 1st century in the same manner that the Judaizers are trying to subvert the truth of God's Word to the brethren today. The apostles met together and made the following decision concerning which commandments to follow, not for salvation, but for protection from stifling the growth and maturation of the Christians' walk. The apostles asked the believers to abstain from meats offered to idols, to abstain from drinking blood, to abstain from eating things that were strangled, and to abstain from fornication. Out of the entire Mosaic law, these four things are what the Apostles decided upon to ask the believers to do.

• 1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. 3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. 32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. 33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles. 34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. Acts 15:1-33

Judaizers base their faith on keeping commandments like those who teach conditional salvation, not on faith in Jesus Christ like the Apostles taught.

Remember, what Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write to the Galatians:

• 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9

I don't understand you. Do you just want to argue? There are no forum members who have said they were justified because they began being obedient to the gospel. All have said they were justified ((which meand they were declared innocent from all past sins)) by Jesus only. But I will agree that Judaizers base their faith on keeping commandments, but the ones of us who believe in conditional salvation ((for all covenants are conditional)), do not believe we are saved b/c we began being obedient. That never takes away past guilt and all agree. No one is claiming to go to the Mosaic Law to follow it. Without ever reading the Old Covenant made w/ Moses for Israel, one can plainly see in the covenant made w/ Christ that we are to keep His commandments and sin no more, b/c sin brings the death penalty ((This is said many times in our own covenant)). You are fighting a battle that does not exist.

Galatian also says"
"19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

"7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."

 

[Solo]

XTruth,

Your argument is that you disagree that Jesus Christ paid the sin debt for all sins. You only give him credit for paying for your past sins, while you deceive yourself that you are keeping all of the commandments that you served references to in your many long-winded posts. You cannot show any Scriptural support that Jesus Christ only paid for past sins. A lie from satan himself!!

You also imply that you no longer sin.

No one on this planet earth has not sinned, except for Jesus Christ.

No one on this planet earth has confessed and asked forgiveness for every sin. No one.

No one of the conditional salvation group know or understand what being born again is. No one.

No one of the conditional salvation group know what justification, sanctification, and glorification is. No one.

No one of the conditional salvation group has submitted their entire life to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, because they want to hang on to that little piece of tower of babel building to proudly claim their own righteousness before God.

 

[XTruth]

XTruth,

Your argument is that you disagree that Jesus Christ paid the sin debt for all sins. You only give him credit for paying for your past sins, while you deceive yourself that you are keeping all of the commandments that you served references to in your many long-winded posts. You cannot show any Scriptural support that Jesus Christ only paid for past sins. A lie from satan himself!!

-Jesus did pay for all sins, or rather He atoned for them all, all present, past and future sins (Heb.10:10-18; 1 Jn.2:1-2).
-You must not read my long-winded posts, I have referenced Rom.3:25 and 2 Pt.1:9 more times than I can remember to prove that only past sins are forgiven when one repents. You have even replied to them. "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;(Rom.3:25)."
-It is not my belief that Paul wrote the lies of Satan as if it were truth.

You also imply that you no longer sin.

I have been asked by you and also another member if I sin and have never answered or implied anything. I don't bring up personal attacks and don't bring my personal life to the forums. I have only said what Scripture teaches about salvation and sin, nothing less, nothing more.

No one on this planet earth has not sinned, except for Jesus Christ.

I completely agree (Rom.3:23)

No one on this planet earth has confessed and asked forgiveness for every sin. No one.

I don't agree. By repentance, ALL past sins are forgiven (Rom.3:25)

No one of the conditional salvation group know or understand what being born again is. No one.

I don't agree (Jn.3). Are you saying we are interpreting Scripture wrong?

No one of the conditional salvation group know what justification, sanctification, and glorification is. No one.

I still don't agree. I have read their understandings and believe they all have a very good grasp on the subjects in question.

No one of the conditional salvation group has submitted their entire life to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, because they want to hang on to that little piece of tower of babel building to proudly claim their own righteousness before God.

All have claimed their righteousness comes from Christ alone. So I have to disagree with that statement as well.

 

[Nick]

Just have faith in Jesus Christ, and what he has done on the cross. Believe this in your heart, and in your heart, repent and you will be saved. Nothing you do apart from this can get you into heaven.

 

[destiny]

Nicodemus had all the upbringing, the education, the good name, the teaching, the law, he had his posotion on the council, his reputation, and all the belief in God in the world. He had the doctrines and the traditions and according to the laws of Moses was very likely, just as Paul was, perfect.
He wasn't like the other members of the sannhedrin of the time who were for the most part snakes in the grass, hypocrites, and murderers. He wasn't mean, conniving, greedy, selfish, unkind, or politically ambitious.
But nor was he saved. Why? Because he wasn't born again.
All the doctrines, belief systems and creeds and good works will get you no closer to the strait gate that leads to the kingdom of God than practicing santaria on the Sabbath.
We all, whether born into the church (whatever church), or educated in the best institutions, or awarded flash degrees from the best theological seminaries, will die the death of the sinner except we be born again.
Not the populist 'born again' that is so much in favor with fashionable folk chasing votes and/or positions of influence and power, but the experiential variety that radically effects the way we think, act, speak, and behave.
We have no more power to effect this 'born again' experience than we did the first time we were born. But we do have the choice as to whether we want to be born again.

Appreciate that, brakelite. :amen