when the church is called out-----rapture

[jerry63935]

Yes, pre trib.

i agree as i am pre trib.. but the question was asked what difference does it make how we believe. it will happened the way God has it planned. i think its good to study but in the end God will take care of us

 

[jasonc]

huh? there is no begging question

Look into what the didache says on the end .
No mention of pre trib ,post trib ,mid trib ,just the man of sin .
That letter and statement predates the Bible formally compiled

CHURCH FATHERS: The Didache

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

Chapter 16. No pre trib etc at all .

The three trib view is not even old as the American colonies .

 

[jerry63935]

Look into what the didache says on the end .
No mention of pre trib ,post trib ,mid trib ,just the man of sin .
That letter and statement predates the Bible formally compiled

CHURCH FATHERS: The Didache

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

Chapter 16. No pre trib etc at all .

The three trib view is not even old as the American colonies .

i dont doubt you and i know what paul wrote the mystery of iniquity only he who will let

 

[jasonc]

I like to use the early church thinking as they didn't have this well numerous church division and knew John and the others more directly .

Not scripture but it shows that we don't know .

The basics to avoid will suffice .

 

[jasonc]

i dont doubt you and i know what paul wrote the mystery of iniquity only he who will let

I'm not a preterist but much of what passes as eschatology is not actual Bible teaching .

Remember the pre trib series where they made movies ,churches taught that as biblical when the producer said it was to get one thinking

 

[Edward]

i agree as i am pre trib.. but the question was asked what difference does it make how we believe. it will happened the way God has it planned. i think its good to study but in the end God will take care of us

It still matters I think because scripture tells us to be ready at any moment and He wants to find us about our Fathers work when He gets here. This is a good thing, cuz if the pre tribbers are right, they'll be ready. And if the Lord waits longer then that's just that much extra time to be about His work and to build up our treasures in Heaven, and to come closer to our Lord in relationship.

Or so it seems to me.

 

[jerry63935]

I'm not a preterist but much of what passes as eschatology is not actual Bible teaching .

certainly the word pre trib preterist is not mentioned in the Bible. the important thing is be ready. last friday night i compared it to the division of the plan of salvation eternal osas or osnas neither one is said in the Bible . that being said live like He could return come Monday

 

[jerry63935]

I'm not a preterist but much of what passes as eschatology is not actual Bible teaching .

Remember the pre trib series where they made movies ,churches taught that as biblical when the producer said it was to get one thinking

everyone is different and it would be a boring world if we was al the same

 

[jasonc]

certainly the word pre trib preterist is not mentioned in the Bible. the important thing is be ready. last friday night i compared it to the division of the plan of salvation eternal osas or osnas neither one is said in the Bible . that being said live like He could return come Monday

Just because one isn't a futurist doesn't mean they teach otherwise

 

[Dorothy Mae]

your cheese done slipped of your cracker

There are some here who do understand the difference between personal opinion and knowledge. You are just not one of them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

any one is welcome to reply to the question.. dorthy tripped out on not really sure personally i thought it was good question does it matter if we believe pre mid or trib coming of Christ? if some one wants to reply great if not ill let it die

Well, does not seem to be a popular question so best move on. But you should know that if you abuse those who respond, others will not be quick to respond either for fear of being abused.

 

[jerry63935]

Well, does not seem to be a popular question so best move on. But you should know that if you abuse those who respond, others will not be quick to respond either for fear of being abused.

honestly Dorothy nothing you have posted makes any sense ..the question was is it important to be pre trib or mid trip or raptured at the end of the 7 year tribulation .i never realized it would be that difficult.

i know forums like the back of my hand.. simple questions like this are boring . now a post can a woman preach . it will take off like a wild fire in the middle of a drought or do a post on osas it will ignite a fierce fire storm of arguments . the post in not how we believe.. but does it really matter since every thing is in His timing ? that is as simple as i can break it down for you

 

[for_his_glory]

Dorothy Mae

jerry63935 stated in his OP that this post is not about one's personal view so to you does it really matter ? please No band wagon jumping promoting and of the 3 views.. a yes or no with a simple explanation .

Why are you arguing in three different postings with him as he never asked for a vote but a yes or no answer if it really matters of those three views and a brief explanation why you think it matters or not.

Yes, do these views matter?
No, these views do not matter.

Explain a simple yes or no. That's all jerry is asking.

 

[jerry63935]

Dorothy Mae

jerry63935 stated in his OP that this post is not about one's personal view so to you does it really matter ? please No band wagon jumping promoting and of the 3 views.. a yes or no with a simple explanation .

Why are you arguing in three different postings with him as he never asked for a vote but a yes or no answer if it really matters of those three views and a brief explanation why you think it matters or not.

Yes, do these views matter?
No, these views do not matter.

Explain a simple yes or no. That's all jerry is asking.

a explanation is welcome i just dont want a fire storm of the 3 views of the rapture i do think it is important to study and have a view. what i dont think is important is to e pushed on others ( i had to edit that last part did not turn out they i thought it should. not a writer but a speaker

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Within reading these scriptures I say, yes, it does matter when Christ returns so we are not taken as a thief in the night, not looking for His coming. But the important thing is that we be ready to be caught up to Him when He returns.

I use to believe in what all those pretrib teachers taught, but could never find it in Rev 4:1-2 they love to use as all it says is that John was caught up in the Spirit while he was a prisoner on the isle of Patmos for preaching the word in Asia to the seven churches. While he was in the Spirit, as he was still physically on the isle of Patmos, the angel Jesus sent to him started giving him revelations in many different visions as John was never taken up to heaven to receive them, but was only in the Spirit hearing the voice of this angel.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

 

[jerry63935]

I use to believe in what all those pretrib teachers taught,

ok lets make that thread why you believe

 

[for_his_glory]

certainly the word pre trib preterist is not mentioned in the Bible. the important thing is be ready. last friday night i compared it to the division of the plan of salvation eternal osas or osnas neither one is said in the Bible . that being said live like He could return come Monday

we are not even promised our next breath or even tomorrow.

 

[for_his_glory]

ok lets make that thread why you believe

my bad I thought that is what you wanted was a yes or no with an explanation with scripture instead of ones view. I will bow out.

 

[jasonc]

so I was saying
.

 

[jerry63935]

my bad I thought that is what you wanted was a yes or no with an explanation with scripture instead of ones view. I will bow out.

why it is important or not important you gave your reason why you believe in being called out after the 7 years

..the question was is it important to be pre trib or mid trip or raptured at the end of the 7 year tribulation