OK SO THE PROMISES OF GOD are noit true ? tell ya what you and 4 his glory start your own thread . make it say exactly what it wants..... your theme song can be i did it my way .. this post ends here
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when the church is called out-----rapture
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My friend if that were true then God, (the same God), didn't fulfil His promise to Josiah. I see a problem in the attitude of your heart. So as you wish I will end the discussion here with you.
FYI, ToS 1.13 No one owns a thread they started
All threads are opened to anyone who wants to reply. This attitude of yours needs to stop as just because others do not agree with you at least you can be civil towards them and what they present in their understandings even if you disagree with them.
what about yours ? when someone suggest the promises of God are not true. there arises a problem . to solve the problem close the post .none of this was about my o.p
If you or anyone else has a problem with me then please take it to Talk with The Staff as I am not above the Terms of Service, nor is any staff member and I am tired of being dragged through the mud. If I am out of line then please show me as you can not read another when not face to face, unless they are just flat out being rude and judgmental.
What I read in scripture from Genesis to Revelation about the end of days, even if we go through the seven trumpets of God's wrath being poured out into the world in the end of days I always come back to this verse as many of God's own beginning with Able have been killed by the enemy of God, but yet can not keep us from the love of God as we will be raised up on the last day to be with Him forever.
Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Mat 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Like I have asked many if we are Raptured before the beginning of the first of the seven trumpets sounding then what is the need for the rest of the trumpets, seven vile judgements, the two witnesses and the 3 1/2 year reign of the son of perdition who will make many martyr's to die for the sake of their witness of Christ as they refused to bow down to this beast and take his mark.
If we were Raptured before all of this then why would God not make an end to everything here on earth and make new again the heaven and earth and just send down the New Jerusalem at that time. Like I said, I use to believe in a pretrib Rapture, but could never find it in scripture and thought those who teach this must know what they are talking about and maybe it was just me not understanding there teachings and the scriptures they give. It just did not sit well in my spirit and that is when I started questioning their teachings and started digging this out for my self.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
If we were Raptured before all of this then why would God not make an end to everything here on earth and make new again the heaven and earth and just send down the New Jerusalem at that time. Like I said, I use to believe in a pretrib Rapture, but could never find it in scripture and thought those who teach this must know what they are talking about and maybe it was just me not understanding there teachings and the scriptures they give. It just did not sit well in my spirit and that is when I started questioning their teachings and started digging this out for my self.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
i said what needed to be said
Whatever as I will continue to post those things of my understanding in any thread I choose to participate in as these are opened forums. I have never asked anyone to agree with me, but just put it out there like you and everyone else does.
I wish there was a pretrib Rapture, but scripture does not support it and no one has ever showed me different as they do not use the full context of scripture, but only a few verses. I don't give false hope, but reality. Agree, disagree, but do respect what another believes even if we disagree.
The only attitude I have is with those who drag my name through the mud, but will not approach me in private to try to reconcile their claims made against me so all of you that hate me so much I just want to say that is your problem as I have nothing but love for all my brothers and sisters. With that all of you have a good day.
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then speak up .
the church will not be here. he is dealing with Jewish people at this point .besides this is GOD call not ours. GOD WILL SEND STRONG DELISIOUNS to those left behind who rejected him
Plenty of gentiles which well out of a 100 percent Jews compromise less then 1 .
That and we'll not all Jews live in isreal .my family as we are large live mostly in georgia.apart from that it's Florida .
That's my surname . But pre tribber can't see that disctinction of land versus people very well.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
naturally
One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed
these sure aint gentiles
Why would God send strong delusions to anyone who are left behind as Jesus only returns once to send His angels out to gather us who are His own as we are then, both alive at His coming and those in their graves will hear His voice calling them to rise and be caught up to meet Him in the air. There are no second chances when Christ returns as the door of God's salvation will be closed forever.
These are the ones who have turned back to God and are counted of the tribe of Israel. I am talking about a global gathering in what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31. He not only comes back for those of the 144,000, but for all who are His own. It has nothing to do with Israel as a land mass, but all the nations on every Continent.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
ask the apostle paul i didnt write its in the book
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
i am not a after tribber rapture person
And that is your choice as well as my choice of understanding and explaining that Christ returns on the last day according to Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Corinthians 15:50-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Rev 19:11-21 that are four different scriptures speaking the same thing that takes place at the same time on the last day being just that, the last day when Christ returns and we are then caught up to meet Him in the air.
This has been what i been saying all along .yet nobody wants it that way. ill explain this again read very carefully . pre trib mid trib after the trib None of these are listed in the Bible period one can only speculate through study of Scripture . its just like OSAS or OSNAS neither one is found in scripture. we do have words or warning to live by
2Thessalonians 2:1-12 is about the man of lawlessness being the son of perdition/last antichrist who takes his seat in Jerusalem claiming he is God in the end of days for 3 1/2 years causing all to take the mark of this beast, Rev 13. If those who are Christ own refuse to bow down to this beast and take its mark will die a martyr's death by being beheaded, Rev 20:4.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
pretrib and mid trib I can agree on that it's not found in the scriptures, but yet post trib is within all those scriptures that I have given throughout this thread, but I'm not here to force others to believe me, but to only give how I understand those scriptures that changed my mind of the catching up of the body of Christ.