AVBunyan said:
Mec - of course Christ was not called the Father for Christ is the Son not the Father – The trinity is made up of three persons – all separate but one. God manifests himself in three distinct persons. Christ is not the Father but he is God.
You keep trying to tell me what you think the verses mean – instead of just believing what they actually say.
You never did tell me why so many great saints in the past missed this truth while you and a few others figured it out.
I think it is time to bow out – nothing more can be done here.
Av,
It 'appears' as if 'the truth' SCARES you. For I have the ANSWER to your question and have offered it MANY times BEFORE. Here it is;
Martin Luther SAW MANY 'things' that the CC was teaching that WERE WRONG. Because of this, his attempt at 'bringing them to the attention of the CC 'slipped out' and the Reformation was begun.
Luther was studying to BE a Priest. This man was DEVOTED to The CC. It was ONLY upon READING The TRUTH, (The Bible), that he was ABLE to SEE what the CC was DOING AGAINST The Word. Previous to his exposure to The Word, he ONLY knew was he was taught since childhood. He knew EXACTLY what he had been TAUGHT and followed it AS A GOOD CHRISTIAN. BUT, upon STUDY of The Word, he THEN 'SAW' the FALSE teaching that was being practiced AGAINST the 'people'.
'Trinity' was something that he NEVER questioned for it had been INGRAINED into the common consciousness to the point NO ONE would DARE question it ANY LONGER, (by the time of Luther). Parents had TAUGHT their children WELL that to DISPUTE the CC was to bring suffering and DEATH to ANYONE that so chose. It took but a FEW generations from IT'S induction for there to BE NO DENIAL of it.
So, Martin was a PRODUCT of his RELIGION. Even being ABLE to 'see' SOME of that which that CC had WRONGLY interpreted, there were MANY things that were JUST TOO iNGRAINED IN HIS MENTALITY to EVEN Question. One of these WAS 'trinity'.
IF he had been ABLE to 'start OVER', start AFRESH WITHOUT this 'trinity' being INGRAINED in his understanding, I would be willing to BET that he would have SEEN the fallacy of IT as well as the other things that he wrote about.
So, the ANSWER to your question; IF 'trinity' is NOT Biblically sound and IF 'trinity' is NOT 'truth', HOW do you supposed there are those TODAY that STILL hold to it more dear than the SIMPLE words of understanding ACTUALLY offered in The Word?
Av, it's NO different than YOUR understanding of the WORD RED. You KNOW what the word 'red' MEANS. There is NO way that I could convince you otherwise. But you KNOW that 'red' is JUST a 'word'. A word describing a 'color' that may or may not have ANY significance OTHER than at ONE POINT 'somehow' RED came to define the COLOR that we associate WITH RED. In other words, it is very OBVIOUS that if the definer of a word had decided to call TIME 'emit', People NOW would be asking 'What 'emit' is it'?
ONCE the CC had DESTROYED through imprisonment, torture or DEATH, ALL that refuted their teachings of 'trinity', it took but FEW generations for 'trinity' to be KNOWN by EVERY GOOD CATHOLIC. And ALMOST every MAJOR denomination of TODAY is NOTHING but an OFF-Shoot of the Catholic Church.
You are absolutely RIGHT in that; So long as YOU INSIST to 'believe' in 'trinity' that is NOTHING that ANY HUMAN on this PLANET can do to 'alter' your perception. And we KNOW this; 'there WILL be those that choose to follow a lie, and for those, God HIMSELF will offer STRONG delusion so that they WILL BELIEVE this LIE'. Doesn't matter if we equate this with 'trinity', OSAS, Baptism, etc,,,,,,,,,,, IF you CHOOSE to BELIEVE that it IS this way or that, there WILL be offered 'SIGNS' that this IS the WAY.
But, REGARDLESS of one's BELIEFS or RELIGION, there is BUT ONE TRUTH. Ours is but to FIND it. And, 'Straight IS the gate and narrow the way, that leadeth UNTO LIFE and FEW there be that FIND IT.
All this I have offered OVER AND OVER. I find it amazing that the MORE 'truth' that I offer, the MORE I am accused of bearing FALSE witness. Of NOT POSSIBLY being 'saved'. You, Solo, AND others are certainly some 'funny folks'. For the Bible I READ states without FLAW that these sorts of 'judgement' are reserved for God and His Son. Yet there
are MEN that continually IGNORE this for the sake of SELF, and 'think' that it is within their capacity to DO SO.
What I observe here is the SAME attitude of 'trinity' believers that the CC USED to instill this doctrine into the main-stream. Threats and innuendo used to coerce others into submission. And it MOSTLY worked. Although MOST that it worked on were NOT secure in their relationship with God or they would have been MURDERED right along side those that WERE.
MEC
