Why I believe SDA's (& other sabbatarians) Are In Error

[John the Baptist]

You choose to live by THE LAW, you are bound by ALL THE LAW. I however revel in the freedom offered by Christ.

And what freedom IS that, Imagican? Do you not know that those who choose to keep the Sabbath also have the very same freedom available NOT to keep the Sabbath? You don't have dibs on this freedom. They too revel in the freedom offered by Christ. It's because they have freedom in Christ that they are free to choose. I really don't know why this issue is so problematic.

While I must admit that one that is truly saved will be conformed by the Spirit,

How will they be conformed? Can you be more specific?

that individual is no longer bound by the ancient laws of the Hebrew, (unless you WANT to be. That's your choice).

Tell me, Imagican, how many people in the Old Testament were saved by being bound to the ancient Law? How many in the OT were saved by God's grace?

But beware my friend, you are doing just as those Paul warned us about.

Which 'those' who Paul warned about are you referring to, Imagican? I mean, really? Can you imagine Paul wagging a stern finger at a group of people who had the audacity to NOT murder, to NOT steal, to NOT commit adultery, NOT have any other Gods ...you get the point ...and 'chastise' them for BEING obedient? That's basically what you're saying, Imagican. If not, what exactly ARE you saying?

Re-teaching the 'old' laws as if Christ had NOT fulfilled these. Dangerous my friend.

You must know, Imagican, that 'fulfill' in this case does not mean 'to bring to an end' but simply means that Jesus 'kept the Law perfectly'? Jesus was sinless, remember. His life personified and magnified the Law. And, to top that off, Jesus distinctly said that He had not come to abolish the law. It surely is not dangerous to at least try to emulate the standards that Jesus set. Why would it be? Sure, we'll fall, but that's what Jesus is there for to pick us up when we do.

From what you offer, Christ's death isn't needed.

Sure it is. Prior to Jesus' sacrifice it had been bulls and goats and laws contained in the ordinances. No need for those burdensome laws any more. No one need ever get uptight by another's loving God with all their heart, soul, and mind (commands 1-4) and loving their neighbor as themselves (commands 5-10). You mean to say that you have a problem with these commands?

Actually, nine of the commandments are not a problem to mainstream Christians. Not at all. If it were "The Nine Commandments" we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Christians could live with them and wouldn't be so anxious to abolish them. It’s that confounded 4th-commandment that’s a huge thorn in the side of most Christians. The 4th-commandment IS the issue.

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Very good reasoning & post! :fadein: Also true, is the motive of a Born Again heart of recreated Love for Christs' Letter to us as seen in 2 Corinthians 3:3.
The Total freedom can be seen in who wants to follow Christ & who does not (and will not
want to! The whole Royal Law of James 2:8-12, including the Sabbath & all the Eternal Covenant are one Covenant of freedom! Christ's 'epistle', letter, testimony, character is and always will be just plain BONDAGE to the Carnal heart.
---John

PS: Can I use this post elsewhere?

 

[John the Baptist]

John the Baptist wrote:
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Well for lack of good english, I wonder if any know what a memorial is?
The Eternal Gospel (Revelation 14:6) states that.. "Thy name, O Lord, endureth forever; and Thy Memorial, O Lord, THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS." Psalms 135:13

Do you realize that if you folk here had observed the 7th day Sabbath in all the past, that there would never have bee an atheist.

---John
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Some one says:
I'll have to disagree with you here. The memorial is the Name of YHWH. It is saying here that "Your Name, O YHWH, endures forever and [is] Your memorial, O YHWH, throughout all generations".


What kind nonsense is that 'post'! See 2 Corinthians 4:2?
It states: "And Thy Memorial, O Lord .."

Webster states: Memorial, ... something designed to keep remembrance alive : MONUMENT. Memorial Day is next in line! (my birthday is my name??? :roll

The Master's 'Memorial' is the 7th Day Birthday of His creation!!

We best read Revelation 22:18-19 for one of us are in trouble! It is not me that you are disagreeing with here, the verse is not what I said, but what the Holy Spirit Inspired David to write, in other Words, it is the WORD OF GOD!

---John

 

[wavy]

Oh, at first I couldn't see what you were saying.

So I've added to the scripture is that it?

Well then every single translator in this world is guilty of that. Do you know how, ya know, not that much sense that bible would make if words were not added to clarify?

Please read the references. His Name is clearly his memorial. Nowhere do I see the sabbath equated with his memorial.

 

[John the Baptist]

Oh, at first I couldn't see what you were saying.

So I've added to the scripture is that it?

Well then every single translator in this world is guilty of that. Do you know how, ya know, not that much sense that bible would make if words were not added to clarify?

Please read the references. His Name is clearly his memorial. Nowhere do I see the sabbath equated with his memorial.

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John again:

Hi, I agree with [you] that you do not 'see' ... . No offense intended whatsoever, I am still trying to refer to the message content! 1 John 4:6

 

[cj]

I changed up my mind a bit. I decided to say just a little something.

You did huh,..... good for you.

Or, based on the foolishness you wrote, maybe not so good for you.

BTW, do you attend synagogue Wavy?

Missing the entire point.

No, on the contrary, it is you who has admitted to not knowing Hebrew.

Yet, you attempt to throw around Hebrew words as if you know what these words mean.

Truth is, by your own admission you have told us that you are speaking in ignorance.

Must say, based on this one fact, the rest of your post does not have a very good base to stand on.

What does the word rest in Psalms 132 have anything to do with the sabbath?

The word we know as Sabbath comes from the Hebrew word shabbath, which comes from the primary root Hebrew word shabath, which means in its simple form, rest from exertion. Shabbath on the other hand implies more than just shabath, shabbath implies rest taken as an intermission from exertion on a continuous basis (i.e. every 7th day), with specific application to the Jewish Sabbath day.

The fact is shabath and shabbath are two different words with twi different and distinct meanings.

In Genesis 2 the word shabath was used to describe what God did on the 7th day, and in Exodus the word shabbath was introduced for the first time... and in a very specific way and thus a specific environment, namely for the Jews and in the environment of laws and the ordinances of these laws.

(On a side note, one of the most glaring points of your erroneous belief is your feeling that you can "keep" the Jewish weekly Sabbath day yet not keep all the laws and ordinances that go with this Sabbath day.)

Now, to your above question.....

Seeing that we can clearly find in scripture that the link between God's rest in Genesis and the Jewish weekly Sabbath day is found in the matter of "rest" and not in the matter of repetitive intermissions (for in Genesis the word shabath is used, and not the word shabbath), lets see how a honest link can be made between the use of the word "shabath (rested)" as it refers to God, in Genesis, and the word "m(e)nuchah (abode/place of rest)" as itr refers to God in Psalm 132.

To do this in a clear way though we must first answer the following question..... what is the reality of "rest"?

Is the reality of "rest" a specific day?

Can a specific day bring someone "rest"?

Can the hours between one sunset to another sunset guarantee a person "rest"?

Do these hours have some sort of power that just causes a person to "rest"?

Did the Jews just go from a disposition/mindset of work to a disposition/mindset of rest the moment the sun set, and then back when the sunset 24 hours later?

Of course not.

For "rest" to take place there must be some reality to it. The question therefore is "What is the reality of "rest" for a man?"

And the answer is God.

If God was not "into" the Jewish weekly Sabbath day do you think the Jews would have been able to avoid the attentions of Satan and his buddies and enjoy a 7th day rest? I don't think so.

So the Jewish weekly Sabbath day is not a weekly "rest" day if God is not in it, and by extension, if this "day of rest" is not in God.

So here we have the answer regarding the reality of the Jewish weekly Sabbath day....... God being in it, and it being in God.

Lets repeat that last thought,..... "The reality of the Sabbath day is God being in it and it being in God."

Does that remind you of something?

Doesn't it sound like a familiar principle?

I'll leave you to ponder that thought and jump to the words in Psalm 132....

A question, if the reality of the Jewish weekly Sabbath is in it being in God and God in it,....... then the Sabbath is to be found wherever God is, right?

Well, where is God?

Psalm 132 tells us,....... He's in His desired eternal resting place..... His "m(e)nuchah (abode/place of rest)"....... which we can know from this Psalm is something called Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ).

And guess what, the word "m(e)nuchah (abode/place of rest)" is absolutely linked/associated with the reality of the term marriage.

In fact, in its definition it is defining marriage as a "location", an abode, a place.

Have you ever considered "marriage" as a place of dwelling, a place where you live?

You should,.... God does.

And this is what God is telling us in Psalms 132,.... that His desired and chosen dwelling place..... forever...... is/will be..... a place of marriage,..... to which He has given the name.... Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ).

Check this out,..... God has given a name to the definition of the word marriage as a place.

For God, to be abiding in marriage is the same as to be abiding in Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ).

And it is in this Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ), this marriage, that God finds/chooses to have His eternal rest; His eternal "shabath".


Wavy,..... God finds His eternal resting place in the marriage of His Son and His Son's bride, the church. Which is to say, God finds His resting place in the one new Man, Christ the Head and Christ the body.

This is God's Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ). This is where God rests forever. This is the reality of God's rest, and thus is simply the reality of all rest.

And today we can have a foretaste of this Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ), for there is a body and there is a Head. And best of all,..... we can abide in this body and Head even today. Believers can abide in Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ) today.

On a side note...... you asked a question regarding Numbers 10:33; about the word "rest".

Well, the verse tells us that God set out to find them (the Israelites) "a place to rest."

Do you know what and where this "rest" place is?

I'll tell you (the answer is found further along in the scriptures)...... "a place of rest" for the Israelites was and is..... the Promised Land, at the center of which is found Jerusalem (founded by God, peace/rest), at the center of which is found Mount Zion (guiding, upholding pillar, truth.... really, by extension, just God in Christ).

Isn't it ironic, that even as the Jews were "keeping" the weekly "rest" of God they did not trust Him enough to go into His promised land of "rest".

And today the principle is the same, those who do not trust God remain in useless human efforts.

Truth is, Jews "keeping" the Sabbath never brough them salvation. For even with the Jewish Sabbath "keepers" the true Lamb of God is needed.

Fact is,.... the Jewish Sabbath day "keeping" condemned the Jews in God's sight. Paul tells us this in his epistle to the Romans.

To go deeper,..... what does "land" represent to God (who is Spirit), what does a city represent, and what does the highest point represent?

Answer these questions and you will see God's kingdom.

In love,
cj

 

[wavy]

It is as I thought. That went totally over your head. You didn't even address the points I made. You are comparing apples and oranges (once again). Witness?

Is ANYONE making any sense of what he said as it pertains to the sabbath?

On a side note, one of the most glaring points of your erroneous belief is your feeling that you can "keep" the Jewish weekly Sabbath day yet not keep all the laws and ordinances that go with this Sabbath day.

And how in the world would you figure this?

 

[Jay T]

Hmmm...


I'm thinking that everything Jewish/Hebrew, Old Testament, points to the Sabbath.

So, if the 4th commandment is Jewish......then
"Thou shalt not steal", must be Jewish ?

What about, "Thou shalt not commit adultery" ?
Jewish also ?

"Thou shalt not have any other gods before me"....Jewish ?

Interesting that only the 4th commandment is Jewish......BUT, the other 9 commandments, aren't.

So tell me, what is it about the 4th commanmdent that makes it Jewish, and the other 9 commandments are not Jewish....being, that they were 'all' on the same stone tablet ?

 

[wavy]

The answer to that, Jay, is that the other 9 are "morally" right... :roll:

They think somehow (although this is not in scripture...) that all Yahweh requires now is "good morals".

 

[Vic C.]

Jay, none of the 10 were Jewish...









There weren't any Jews back then. ;-)

 

[wavy]

^^^Good point...

 

[cj]

It is as I thought. That went totally over your head.

Not my head Wavy.

Point 1..... you have admitted to not knowing anything about the Hebrew language, yet you attempt to present a view that if done in honesty would require a proper definition of the Hebrew words shabath and shabbath.

Only a foolish/vain person would think he could do this out of ignorance.

Point 2..... you asked me what the word "rest" in Psalm 132 had to do with the Jewish Sabbath and I explained it in as simple a manner as I think possible.

But for your sake I'll try again, see if you can follow me.... The Jewish weekly rest day (shabbath) is a repetitive celebration of the rest day (shabath) of God spoken of in Genesis 2, and by the very use of two different words we can know that they are not the same thing.

Concerning their relationship the thought regarding God's rest presented in Psalm 132, throughout the bible we see where God is not just concerned with a particular matter, but is also concerned with the location of a particular matter. From the day man was created, the location of man has always been of foremost concern to God (i.e. God's first question to Adam after the eating of the forbidden fruit... "Where are you?" and not "What are you doing?").

Since from scripture we can see that the matter of location is important to God, from this we can be confident that relating God's speaking about His desired eternal resting place (in Psalm 132) and God resting on the seventh day (in Genesis 2) is proper.

God rested (shabath, meaning ceased with no implying of any continuation) from His work on the seventh day. But where did God rest? What was/is the location of God's rest?

Psalm 132 tells us, God's resting place is Zion.


Honestly Wavy, nothing you're saying is going over my head,.... fact is, I've had experience speaking with believers that think such as you do, and there is a "synagogue" attended by some like you just a few miles from where I live.

The gentleman I've spoken at length with has a funny relationship with his born-again, more mainline believing wife, as she calls him by his given name yet he introduces himself by a Jewish name he has adopted.

He has his bible with him all the time, and it is marked from beginning to end with various colored highlighters. This guy reads his bible and can find all sorts of stuff in it in seconds. And boy can he talk the talk.

Yet, when I can get a word in, all that I need do is ask one or two questions by pointing out some scripture and he immediately does the dance you are doing now.

He tells me that I can't see, that God hasn't chosen to reveal these things to me. that I know to much for my own good, and lots of other meaningless comments. But I wait, and wait, and when he is finished I just go back to my point again,.... and he hates it. Just like you do.

You didn't even address the points I made.

Actually Wavy. I most certainly addressed, at length, the very first point/question you put forward.

Your problem is that you have no way of responding to what I said without making what you believe look foolish in its superficiality.

You are comparing apples and oranges (once again).

Not at all.

You are saying that a believer must keep the Jewish weekly Sabbath day according to past forms and traditions in order to be found righteous before God.

I am saying that a believer need only believe into and abide in Christ to keep the reality of what the weekly Jewish Sabbath day was a shadow of, which is to be found righteous before God.

Witness?

Try turning to God.

Is ANYONE making any sense of what he said as it pertains to the sabbath?

Does it matter so much what men think? Think for yourself.

On a side note, one of the most glaring points of your erroneous belief is your feeling that you can "keep" the Jewish weekly Sabbath day yet not keep all the laws and ordinances that go with this Sabbath day.

And how in the world would you figure this?

God has one speaking and one righteousness, and the commandments and laws (along with the ordinances for these laws) are just one single speaking of God regarding his relationship with men through them.

You don't keep one you keep none.

So, do you keep all?

It really is a simple question.


In love,
cj

 

[SputnikBoy]

It just occurred to me. We have several threads pertaining to the same issue ...just different titles. Were it not for the fact that Sunday must be defended at all costs, we would have NO ONE wanting to get rid of the commandments. This is a Sabbath/Sunday battle, NOT a Ten Commandments battle. It's as simple as that. Just think about it.

 

[cj]

It just occurred to me. We have several threads pertaining to the same issue ...just different titles. Were it not for the fact that Sunday must be defended at all costs, we would have NO ONE wanting to get rid of the commandments. This is a Sabbath/Sunday battle, NOT a Ten Commandments battle. It's as simple as that. Just think about it.

The Sunday/Saturday battle is like two wild dogs fighting over a dead and rotting carcass.

Its that simple.

And all the time the Bread of heaven, the Living water, is available and plentyful....... every moment of every day.

In love,
cj

 

[John the Baptist]

It just occurred to me. We have several threads pertaining to the same issue ...just different titles. Were it not for the fact that Sunday must be defended at all costs, we would have NO ONE wanting to get rid of the commandments. This is a Sabbath/Sunday battle, NOT a Ten Commandments battle. It's as simple as that. Just think about it.

The Sunday/Saturday battle is like two wild dogs fighting over a dead and rotting carcass.

Its that simple.

And all the time the Bread of heaven, the Living water, is available and plentyful....... every moment of every day.

In love,
cj

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Perhaps some here best not shoot from the hip, but think of what they are 'posting'! Surely sounds to me, of near blasphemy calling the 'EPISTLE (LETTER) OF CHRIST' 2 Corinthians 3:3 & Hebrews 10:15-16 a wild dog fight???

And to think that one can be warned & even banned from mans forum sites by merely being thought to be, attacking a poster. And Christ's Eternal Covenant??? Some folk best study Hebrews 6:6 huh?

---John

 

[cj]

It just occurred to me. We have several threads pertaining to the same issue ...just different titles. Were it not for the fact that Sunday must be defended at all costs, we would have NO ONE wanting to get rid of the commandments. This is a Sabbath/Sunday battle, NOT a Ten Commandments battle. It's as simple as that. Just think about it.

The Sunday/Saturday battle is like two wild dogs fighting over a dead and rotting carcass.

Its that simple.

And all the time the Bread of heaven, the Living water, is available and plentyful....... every moment of every day.

In love,
cj

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Perhaps some here best not shoot from the hip, but think of what they are 'posting'! Surely sounds to me, of near blasphemy calling the 'EPISTLE (LETTER) OF CHRIST' 2 Corinthians 3:3 & Hebrews 10:15-16 a wild dog fight???

And to think that one can be warned & even banned from mans forum sites by merely being thought to be, attacking a poster. And Christ's Eternal Covenant??? Some folk best study Hebrews 6:6 huh?

---John

Johnny Boy,.... try taking the sock out of your mouth before you speak as it makes it difficult to understand what you are saying.

There is no such reality as a Sunday/Saturday matter, thus the fight is over fleshy concepts and opinions of men, which is to say, over dead things.

And those who persist in it conduct themselves in the manner of the unbelievers.

As for the "Epistle of Christ" being called anything, we are all letters being presently written, but this is not to say that our ever present dead self does not raise its head every now and then.

And that includes your dead self as well, which, when it raises its head (and it does), does so with the definite intention of attacking the Lord.

Yes John, believe it or not you also cause the Lord to suffer on a daily basis.


In love,
cj

 

[SputnikBoy]

Despite your comments above, cj, you ALSO are quite passionate about this issue. Tell me, what exactly IS your problem with the Sabbath?

 

[wavy]

Point 1..... you have admitted to not knowing anything about the Hebrew language,

Lie 1. I said I didn't know Hebrew, meaning, I couldn't speak the language.

yet you attempt to present a view that if done in honesty would require a proper definition of the Hebrew words shabath and shabbath.

This has nothing to do with Psalm 132 since neither word is present in that Psalm.

But for your sake I'll try again, see if you can follow me.... The Jewish weekly rest day (shabbath) is a repetitive celebration of the rest day (shabath) of God spoken of in Genesis 2, and by the very use of two different words we can know that they are not the same thing.

Again, I need more proof than your word. Because you already say stuff that is...nvm. The sabbath is a noun. To rest is a verb. And that's what he did. He "verbed" on the 7th day (not any other day). He didn't "noun" on the 7th day.

Example:

Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Know what this word is? Shabath. Does it have some type of supernatural connection to some special "rest" that has to do with all that stuff you are presenting? No...

Concerning their relationship the thought regarding God's rest presented in Psalm 132, throughout the bible we see where God is not just concerned with a particular matter, but is also concerned with the location of a particular matter. From the day man was created, the location of man has always been of foremost concern to God (i.e. God's first question to Adam after the eating of the forbidden fruit... "Where are you?" and not "What are you doing?").

You see, and this is what I'm talking about. This is the product of imagination. He asked this because Adam was hiding, not because this has ties to him "concerned with the location of a particular matter".

This is what I mean. You are abstract, and make zero sense. It's like you pull things from the air.

Since from scripture we can see that the matter of location is important to God, from this we can be confident that relating God's speaking about His desired eternal resting place (in Psalm 132) and God resting on the seventh day (in Genesis 2) is proper.

No ties to this at all. No word related to the sabbath is in Psalm 132. That's why your explanation of the difference between shabbath and shabath is irrlevant and futile. Neither word is present in Psalm 132 and has nothing to do with the 7th day at creation. You are abstractly tying all this in together because you see the English word "rest". Nonsense.

God rested (shabath, meaning ceased with no implying of any continuation) from His work on the seventh day. But where did God rest? What was/is the location of God's rest?

Psalm 132 tells us, God's resting place is Zion.

Exactly. Abstract, superimposed interpretation of scripture. This would only make the slightest amount of sense if either word "shabath" or "shabbath" was present in Psalm 132 in reference to the word "rest".

And far as that excuse of "no implying" (properly implication, seems you need to learn English grammar before you claim to know Hebrew) "any continuation", that makes zero sense too. Otherwise explain Exodus 12:15 and a whole myriad of other scriptures that use this word having nothing to do with "no implication of continuation".

The only thing you are comparing is the English word "rest" and making up something to go along with it. It's just as crazy as comparing the tree of knowledge of good and evil with the tree Yahshua was hung on because you see the word "tree". It's really just as silly as that.

Honestly Wavy, nothing you're saying is going over my head,.... fact is, I've had experience speaking with believers that think such as you do, and there is a "synagogue" attended by some like you just a few miles from where I live.

I think you are going over your own head.

Yet, when I can get a word in, all that I need do is ask one or two questions by pointing out some scripture and he immediately does the dance you are doing now.

Yeah, sure, I'm doing the dance. I'm 100% positive that no one can see what you are saying (not because it's too profound and advanced, but because it makes no sense).

and he hates it. Just like you do.

I don't hate it. I just think you think you know more than you really do and when some one challenges what you say like I have, you get mad because it didn't fit neatly into their theological box the way it does in yours.

Actually Wavy. I most certainly addressed, at length, the very first point/question you put forward.

So only the first point? Not the rest, though.

Your problem is that you have no way of responding to what I said without making what you believe look foolish in its superficiality.

Yeah, O.K. sure...

Does it matter so much what men think? Think for yourself.

I do. That was just joking reassurance that I wasn't losing my mind reading what you wrote...

You don't keep one you keep none.

So, do you keep all?

It really is a simple question.

I'm learning as I go. Refusing to adhere is another matter.

 

[wavy]

Despite your comments above, cj, you ALSO are quite passionate about this issue. Tell me, what exactly IS your problem with the Sabbath?

I wouldn't go there, Sput...

 

[cj]

Despite your comments above, cj, you ALSO are quite passionate about this issue. Tell me, what exactly IS your problem with the Sabbath?

I'm passionate about the Lord, and by extension the building of His body and the hastening of His return.



Concerning the Sabbath..... I have no problem as I have Christ and He has me.

Now then, as an issue of this relationship I find myself from time to time contending for the truth.

SputnikBoy, it does not matter to me if you have some form of religious tradition that you adhere to on Saturdays, we all sin and fall short.

But when your sin is presented as righteousness so that another might fall into the same sin then there is cause for contending for the truth so that another might be saved from falling.

If you want to have some sort of thing going on a Saturday be my guest, but don't attempt to present it as some sort of truth that others might follow.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Lie 1. I said I didn't know Hebrew, meaning, I couldn't speak the language.

How could I have lied? Not once was the speaking of the Hebrew language ever brought up. But the definitions of Hebrew words were certainly discussed. And to this you responded that you don't know Hebrew.

Perhaps next time you can try and be more clear..

Again, I need more proof than your word. Because you already say stuff that is...nvm. The sabbath is a noun. To rest is a verb. And that's what he did. He "verbed" on the 7th day (not any other day). He didn't "noun" on the 7th day.

Example:

Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

....... Know what this word is? Shabath. Does it have some type of supernatural connection to some special "rest" that has to do with all that stuff you are presenting? No...

Tell me Wavy, is God in anyway ever leavened?

To "put away" leaven is to cease having anything to do with it, for good. This was the reality of the shadow found in the instruction.

What you are having a problem with is recognizing the difference between something according to typology and something according to reality.

In Genesis 2 the scripture declares that God rested (forever) from His work.

But in Exodus the scripture uses a different word, one that means to pause from work.

God did not pause from work on the seventh day, He stopped working because He had accomplished all that He wanted to accomplish.

You see, and this is what I'm talking about. This is the product of imagination. He asked this because Adam was hiding, not because this has ties to him "concerned with the location of a particular matter".

Adam was "hiding" from God? Hiding from the all-seeing, all-knowing God?

Are you serious? Do you really believe God was having problems finding Adam and so He had to ask Adam where he was hiding?

This is what I mean. You are abstract, and make zero sense. It's like you pull things from the air.

Then take it easy and go through it one little point at a time.

The words that I speak issue from the labor of the saints over hundreds of years. I don't take it lightly and neither should you.

No ties to this at all. No word related to the sabbath is in Psalm 132. That's why your explanation of the difference between shabbath and shabath is irrlevant and futile. Neither word is present in Psalm 132 and has nothing to do with the 7th day at creation. You are abstractly tying all this in together because you see the English word "rest". Nonsense.

Then tell me, what do you think God does in His desired resting place?

Also, according to your understanding of the Jewish weekly Sabbath keeping,.... was there any instruction regarding where the Sabbath should be kept? Meaning, a specific location?

Take a look Wavy, you might learn something.

Exactly. Abstract, superimposed interpretation of scripture. This would only make the slightest amount of sense if either word "shabath" or "shabbath" was present in Psalm 132 in reference to the word "rest".

I answered this above.

Now, lets get back to something meaningful....

..... "any continuation", that makes zero sense too. Otherwise explain Exodus 12:15 and a whole myriad of other scriptures that use this word having nothing to do with "no implication of continuation".

Actually, the reality of the removing the leaven is exactly that, separated unto eternity. This is what it means to be made holy.

And though I have not studied the usage of the Hebrew word "shabath" in all scriptures, allow me to go out on a limb and say that I would be most surprised if in ever instance there is not the deeper meaning of a reality of absolute cessation.

The only thing you are comparing is the English word "rest" and making up something to go along with it. It's just as crazy as comparing the tree of knowledge of good and evil with the tree Yahshua was hung on because you see the word "tree". It's really just as silly as that.

Then tell me, where does God rest, if not in His resting place?

Also, I did not make up the Hebrew words "shabath" and "shabbath", nor did I make up the fact that they mean different things.

As for the "tree" comparison, I know this, one tree can bring only death, and another tree only life.

I think you are going over your own head.

Stop thinking so much.

Yeah, sure, I'm doing the dance. I'm 100% positive that no one can see what you are saying (not because it's too profound and advanced, but because it makes no sense).

You're guessing.

and he hates it. Just like you do.

I don't hate it. I just think you think you know more than you really do and when some one challenges what you say like I have, you get mad because it didn't fit neatly into their theological box the way it does in yours.

Wavy, you've presented no challenge.

You can't even seem to figure out the difference between two Hebrew words.

So only the first point? Not the rest, though.

As I said, the first point.

So, do you keep all?

In Christ I possess all as my own.

I'm learning as I go. Refusing to adhere is another matter.

Peter thought he was doing a good thing before the Lord let him in on the fact that he was conducting himself a the Devil's son.

Do the best you can with what you've got, but don't ever fool yourself into thinking you've got it all.


In love,
cj