n2thelight
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When Christ says He's not coming until after the trib,can someone please tell me who that verse was written to???
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Why I want to be left behind
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Disciples!
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" Matthew 24:3
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
The Rapture ones will be caught up with the Resurrected ones, as we shall all be together with Him.
This is the Day of the Lord.
Do you believe the Day of the Lord, and the Resurrection of the dead in Christ will happen before the tribulation?
JLB
Deborah13
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Hi Bill,
Youngster, thanks. Like my grandson, when he was five, informed a teacher reading a story, "You, never should call a lady old."
He still says that today, makes me just hug him. I'm glad he is still at the age where he doesn't hugs and kisses. Children grow up way too fast anymore. When I think about little nine yr. old girls being given HPV virus vaccines, I just cringe.
Right now Jake (g-son) is in the 4th grade. His Christian school class is studying American History and the documents of our country. The public school kids haven't even touched on it. They are studying about being a good citizen of the Government. Like Lexy says, "how to be good sheep, just do and think what they tell you to." That is just so backwards from what our country stands for. They are teaching our kids not to think for themselves. :neutral
God bless you and yours. I pray you have a wonderful day today, Bill.
Deborah13
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It wasn't written yet to anyone. But it was spoken to the disciples to tell to that generation they were living in.
He refers to the things that had been written by Daniel. Daniel foretells of the coming of the Messiah, His work on the cross, and the coming destruction of Judea, among other things. But the destruction that He spoke of did happen in their generation. And the believers fled to the mountains. :neutral
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Brother Mike
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There have been several post that prove the Lord comes for the church already before tribulation. Revelation is not about what Satan is doing, it's about Jesus and what God does when dealing with a world that rejected him. Satan does much of nothing and fails miserably. The church is not under a disobedient angels foot.
Deborah13
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Where does Matt 24 or Mark or Luke say that this coming is a coming where He will touch down on planet earth? God says He came to His people many times in many different ways. If He had not stopped the destruction and death taking place in Judea, "all flesh would have perished." There would have been no Jews left who were in Judea at that time.
Mat 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall the end arrive.
Rom 16:26 and now having been made manifest, also, through prophetic writings, according to a command of the age-during God, having been made known to all the nations for obedience of faith--
If the end spoken of in Matt. 24:14 was to come when the good news had been brought to all the nations and Paul says it was, then what was this end being spoken of? It was the end of the Mosaic economy, when Judea was destroyed and when the temple was destroyed and left desolate.
The scripture tells us who this scripture is about.
Isa 13:17 Lo, I am stirring up against them the Medes, Who silver esteem not, And gold--they delight not in it.
Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the beauty of kingdoms, The glory, the excellency of the Chaldeans, Hath been as overthrown by God, With Sodom and with Gomorrah.
"Babylon: Babylon, whose destruction and utter ruin are here predicted, was...... Cyrus took it by diverting the waters of the Euphrates, which ran through the midst, and entering by the channel; and the river being never restored to its proper course, overflowed the whole country, and made it a morass. Darius Hystaspes afterwards depopulated the place, lowered the walls, and demolished the gates; Xerxes destroyed the temples; the building of Seleucia nearly exhausted it of its inhabitants; a king of the Parthians carried a number of them into slavery, and destroyed the most beautiful parts; so that modern travellers describe it as a mass of shapeless ruins, the habitation of wild beasts. Isa_14:4-6, Isa_14:12-15; Jer_51:41; Dan_2:37-38, Dan_4:30"
http://www.biblestudytools.com/concordances/treasury-of-scripture-knowledge/isaiah-13/
Again let's look at what Joel says in context this givens us a time frame.
Joe 2:28 And it hath come to pass afterwards, I do pour out My Spirit on all flesh, And prophesied have your sons and your daughters, Your old men do dream dreams, Your young men do see visions.
Joe 2:29 And also on the men-servants, and on the maid-servants, In those days I do pour out My Spirit.
Joe 2:30 And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke.
Act 2:14 and Peter having stood up with the eleven, lifted up his voice and declared to them, `Men, Jews! and all those dwelling in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and harken to my sayings,
Act 2:15 for these are not drunken, as ye take it up, for it is the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 `But this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel:
Act 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;
Joe 2:31 The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful.
Peter said these days came when the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost.
Correct. Shortly, would Judea would be destroyed. And all those who called on the name of the Lord were saved.
You are saying that the scriptures in Rev match the scriptures in Matt, Mark, and Luke. If that is true then we should obey what Jesus told His followers to do, "flee to the mountains."
Blessings to you, Mike. You are a pleasant person to discuss things with.
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Brother Mike
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On tablet. Sorry for any opps...
Joel talks about start of church age and end, in a short chapter. Tongues are here, been here for awhile.
Now the issue is timing again. You want to throw the 6th seal into 70ad. We have to compare scriptures though. We have stars? Yes. Sun been put out? No. Jesus come where everyone tride to hide? No, not even in 70ad. God destroy most the sinners from the earth? No.
Do all the scriptures I have match. Yes
The instruction to flee was to those that keep the Sabbath and come from judeah. Our instruction was to watch and preach the gospel all over the world. One group food not call him Lord, we are told we don't know the day or hour of his coming (end of Matt 24)
The other group are told exactly when he is coming down to the last half hour.
I have learned not to care about doctrine but care if it all matches perfectly. Makes it a whole lot more easy for correction. Line upon line.
Revelation is world events to come. 1/3 of all trees have yet to burn up for example. That places the sixth seal in that time line.
Blessings
Joel talks about start of church age and end, in a short chapter. Tongues are here, been here for awhile.
Now the issue is timing again. You want to throw the 6th seal into 70ad. We have to compare scriptures though. We have stars? Yes. Sun been put out? No. Jesus come where everyone tride to hide? No, not even in 70ad. God destroy most the sinners from the earth? No.
Do all the scriptures I have match. Yes
The instruction to flee was to those that keep the Sabbath and come from judeah. Our instruction was to watch and preach the gospel all over the world. One group food not call him Lord, we are told we don't know the day or hour of his coming (end of Matt 24)
The other group are told exactly when he is coming down to the last half hour.
I have learned not to care about doctrine but care if it all matches perfectly. Makes it a whole lot more easy for correction. Line upon line.
Revelation is world events to come. 1/3 of all trees have yet to burn up for example. That places the sixth seal in that time line.
Blessings
I have posted those verses but people are blind to them.They want to read those verses as they wish.And I don't even know what you are talking about when you say "they don't separate the tribulation of Satan from the wrath of God".
I have seen some pretty strange views on CF so I will let it go.
th1b.taylor
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My only grandchild, Ashly Gingrich, is just married, this past March. She still like hugs and kisses though. My sons have not been fruitful and the one that lives close to me rode a hard tail motor and made himself sterile and the other went up north and married, finally, in his forties to a lass with two that I never see. And your grandson is correct, never call any lass old, it's just not smart.Hi Bill,
Youngster, thanks. Like my grandson, when he was five, informed a teacher reading a story, "You, never should call a lady old."
When I think about little nine yr. old girls being given HPV virus vaccines, I just cringe.
Right now Jake (g-son) is in the 4th grade. His Christian school class is studying American History and the documents of our country. The public school kids haven't even touched on it. They are studying about being a good citizen of the Government. Like Lexy says, "how to be good sheep, just do and think what they tell you to." That is just so backwards from what our country stands for. They are teaching our kids not to think for themselves. :neutral
God bless you and yours. I pray you have a wonderful day today, Bill.
Another point, the top five percent of America's HS Graduates are Home and Christian Schooled. As much as our secular government hate Home and Christian Schooling one never hears them make a case for them being under-educated and if they did it would be a single case incident with the child having a learning disability. Christian Education just rocks!
th1b.taylor
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Don't worry Kathi, One and JLB know the TOS 2.4 and they are, both, following the rules, skirting the edge, to use the Lawyer's first rule of if the facts do not favor your client, in this case them, attack the messenger. You, MIKE. I and others have shown the scriptures to them and they have chosen not to believe but, rather, to remain on the attack. It's sad but some just never seem to find the peace of God.I have posted those verses but people are blind to them.They want to read those verses as they wish.And I don't even know what you are talking about when you say "they don't separate the tribulation of Satan from the wrath of God".
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Deborah13
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The body of Christ is two flocks in one fold or flock. The 1st century church were not separated. This is what Paul was always teaching against. I think I am going to coin a word, the 'Gentilizers.'
Joh 10:15 according as the Father doth know me, and I know the Father, and my life I lay down for the sheep,
Joh 10:16 and other sheep I have that are not of this fold, these also it behoveth me to bring, and my voice they will hear, and there shall become one flock--one shepherd.
We as the body are one, Jew and Gentile, in Christ. There isn't any them and us.
Jew and Gentile are to preach the gospel message, no matter where they are living. But that is not in these scriptures. Paul said, that the gospel HAD BEEN preached to all the nations. Because we keep preaching it does not change the fact of what Paul said and how that relates to the end time spoken of in Matt., Mark, and Luke.
It says that when the message had been taken to all the nations then the tribulation spoke of in those scriptures would come.
Deborah13
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With the state monies not being available for public schooling states like mine are putting public homeschool online for free. We took a look at it but it was horrible. Better to put out a little cash and get a excellent program.
There has not been one scripture from you or anyone else that teaches the Rapture is before the Tribulation.
How could it possibly be before the tribulation, when the Resurrection of the dead in Christ happens a moment before the Rapture.
The Resurrection of the dead in Christ happens after the Tribulation, at His Coming.
The Resurrection can not be separated from the Rapture, as those who are Raptured are caught together with those who are Resurrected.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Please tell us how the resurrected saints who are martyred for Christ during the Tribulation are some how Resurrected before the tribulation?
Those who are resurrected are raised just BEFORE those who are Raptured.
They are both caught up together...
No one has ever posted a scripture to prove a pre-trib Rapture, because it just doesn't exist.
The Resurrection comes a moment before the a Rapture and includes the faithful tribulation saints that are martyred DURING the tribulation.
...And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4
JLB
Deborah13
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I was thinking more about your post.
You said that it is the ones who, "The instruction to flee was to those that keep the Sabbath and come from judeah." So you are saying that the believing Jews are the ones told to flee. So you don't think they will be "caught up" with the non-Jewish believers? That they will live through the tribulation?
Paul was sure expecting to either be raised from the dead or caught up if he was still alive. How can this be? He was one of those who came from Judea, a Jew. He told all the believers they would be either resurrected or caught up. He never differentiated between the believers in this matter.
th1b.taylor
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That's funny, I have never asked you to address my post's, much less "drag you".
I find it interesting that you never just respond with a scripture.
You just criticize me or demean me with your accusations.
Why not comment on 1 Thessalonians 4:17?
This scripture shows us the Resurrection and rapture are one event and happen simultaneously, not being separated by 7 years as you suppose.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Why does me posting this scripture, make you so hostile towards me?
JLB
n2thelight
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I have posted those verses but people are blind to them.They want to read those verses as they wish.And I don't even know what you are talking about when you say "they don't separate the tribulation of Satan from the wrath of God".
The seperation is simple...The tribulation is of satan,that's why the times will be the worst in human history,as satan will be here on earth,all who are alive at that time will go through it,nowhere in scripture does it states we escape it....The wrath of God happens after the tribulation,and is poured out on all who followed satan,those who did not take the mark are not and will not have to worry about the wrath of God.........
I do not agree with what you have to say.You have given no Biblical Scripture to support what you believe.
n2thelight
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Gary
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