So you believe the ones Jesus told to flee where non-believers.
I will wait patiently for your explanation of how this could be true.
I see that He was talking to His disciples and followers when He said this. I see that He was giving instructions as to what they should do when they saw these things happening.
We have like 4 views of end time stuff, some preterist views going on in this thread. Lots going on here that are not related to the different views. Would hate to be that new Christian coming here to find stuff out and thinking they need to mix everything said and put it together.
Always a blessing to speak with you Deborah. Lets get some things straight, things I found.
Now the Word says what it says, not complex, and we don't bend things around a bit to get it to say what we want. I hope you don't mind reading. We will jump off Matt 24.
Disciples went to show Jesus the temples and buildings. Jesus says, "
See all these things? There shall not be one stone left on another that shall not be thrown down."
This gets the disciples thinking, so they ask privately. What shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the World (Aion-Age)
Two questions. The sign of your coming, and the end of the age. It would be easy to just connect the buildings they looked at, the temple and then figure that Jesus spoke of that temple and all what He said after has already came to pass. Did Jesus really give them a simple answer?
The issue I have is that Jesus always talked about what He wanted, and gave everything needed. We see this in lots of places, where Jesus does not directly give them the answer, but other things they might have not understood. Mark 10 is a good example of this, the question they heard from the rich young ruler is how to obtain eternal life. Jesus said it's hard for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God. They still had eternal life on the brain but Jesus was speaking about the the Kingdom of God so this concerned them knowing they had goods, and Judas carried the bag full of money.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And
they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
(Mar 10:25-26)
Jesus answered their question at the end finally.
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
(Mar 10:30)
Jesus has a couple topics to cover here. When He comes and the end of the age.
He came back after He was resurrected. However, it was not the end of some age.
That temple was reported taken down in 70ad as some say, but Jesus did not come back then. This would have had to happen after John Wrote Revelation.
Jesus said the end comes when the gospel is preached to all Nations.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
(Mat 24:14)
Paul said in 3 different places this was accomplished in Paul's Time.
Col 1:4-5, Col 1:23, Rom 10:18
However, the passage in Romans can be attributed to the OT prophets spreading the Word, Col 1:4-5 sort of but........
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and
which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
(Col 1:23)
It appears what Jesus said has come to pass, but the question was never asked about the end of the Jewish age. That is something folks add in. What exactly comes to an end after the Gospel gets preached? Nothing is mentioned about some end of the Jewish age.
We need a timing event with the Gospel being preached and something coming to an end.
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord,
wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
(Act 1:6)
And he said unto them,
It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
(Act 1:7)
Now the issue with having the gospel preached all over the Word and a end event, that ends things come from Rev 14:
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(Rev 14:6)
Most definitely after this, things come to a halt when Jesus comes, and it is preached to every single nation by an angel. (NOT US)
I don't care for this, as I want to believe WE preach the gospel then the end comes, However, followed after this angel event comes the last of the seals and Jesus comes down for war. That matches to Rev Jesus coming in the clouds with the angels and an harvest event.
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
(Rev 14:14-15)
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
(Mat 24:30-31)
Most folks tend to miss this lone Angel with the Gospel to every nation but if you want a preterist view you would miss it, if you want a pre-trib rapture view where we have to get the gospel out then the end comes you miss it.
However, it's connected to the same chapter in Rev, which verse 14 is part of what goes down in 19, and we are told what happens to the 144,000.
I am still looking into this, I find it hard to believe an Angel was given the sole duty to preach the gospel and not the anointed church. However, Jesus comes, the Gospel is preached to every Nation, the 6th seal released.
When Jesus said the end comes after the gospel is heard to every nation, then it would be tied to the rest of what he said and not just getting the Word out all over the World as Paul mentioned.
It still means the church is not there with the Gospel, but it also means the Lord is not dependent on the Church doing it's job to bring the end. (Going to look at this again)
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
(Act 1:6)
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
(Rev 3:12)
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
(Zec 14:16-17)
Jesus covered their time, Israels time, and those that call him Lord, time. The end was not 70ad as they were actually looking for Israel to be restored back, and nobody was going to care about a few temples knocked down. The end is just that, for all nations and the people of the earth.
blessings.
