Why the Law

[ezrider]

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (Rev 12:10)
If we live our lives as God intended, our salvation has already begun.
It won't be official though till after the final judgement.
It is a matter of semantics though to say "I am saved".
I, personally, have been supplied everything I need in order not to lose my salvation.
If I endure faithfully until my passing, or Jesus Christ's return, I will be found in the book of life.
That is when I will start celebrating, and not before.

I shall not deny you your faith. Hold fast to the measure of faith that you have been given.


A quick Google search revealed the 7 major christian denominations as: Anglican / Episcopal, Assembly of God, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Roman Catholic.

Oh, look, a beast with seven heads



All seven of the major Christian denominations read the words of the same book, the same written words of God, yet each have different doctrine and theology. How can that be? Which one is right? Who holds the truth?

 

[JLB]

I shall not deny you your faith. Hold fast to the measure of faith that you have been given.


A quick Google search revealed the 7 major christian denominations as: Anglican / Episcopal, Assembly of God, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Roman Catholic.

Oh, look, a beast with seven heads



All seven of the major Christian denominations read the words of the same book, the same written words of God, yet each have different doctrine and theology. How can that be? Which one is right? Who holds the truth?

Faith comes by hearing God; whether directly or indirectly.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


In this example God spoke directly to Noah. Noah received faith by hearing God speak to him to build the ark.


When Noah obeyed the word by which he received faith, he was made righteous; according to the righteousness of faith.


“By faith” literally means God spoke to a person and they obeyed Him.


Ths of course was long before there was a Bible.







JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

Faith comes by hearing God; whether directly or indirectly.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


In this example God spoke directly to Noah. Noah received faith by hearing God speak to him to build the ark.


When Noah obeyed the word by which he received faith, he was made righteous; according to the righteousness of faith.


“By faith” literally means God spoke to a person and they obeyed Him.


Ths of course was long before there was a Bible.







JLB

I've been reading along and it seems like the above is more for Hopeful than for ezrider ...

I think one can k now God even without the bible since I know some like this.

OTOH, some persons have some pretty odd ideas and the bible helps us to understand the truth about God.

But, as EZ stated and I also have stated often, I think it's unfortunate that the bible could be understood in different ways and we're not all agreed on The Truth.

Just an observation...

 

[Hopeful]

I shall not deny you your faith. Hold fast to the measure of faith that you have been given.


A quick Google search revealed the 7 major christian denominations as: Anglican / Episcopal, Assembly of God, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Roman Catholic.

Oh, look, a beast with seven heads



All seven of the major Christian denominations read the words of the same book, the same written words of God, yet each have different doctrine and theology. How can that be? Which one is right? Who holds the truth?

Jesus said in John 8:32-34 that the truth would make you free.
Which of the 7 above are free of that which Jesus said they could be free?

 

[ezrider]

Jesus said in John 8:32-34 that the truth would make you free.
Which of the 7 above are free of that which Jesus said they could be free?

None of them.

Now can you answer my question? All seven of the major Christian denominations read the words of the same book, the same written words of God, yet each have different doctrine and theology. How can that be?

 

[ezrider]

But, as EZ stated and I also have stated often, I think it's unfortunate that the bible could be understood in different ways and we're not all agreed on The Truth.

Just an observation...

Have you considered that the Lord himself might have purpose to it?

 

[Hopeful]

None of them.

Now can you answer my question? All seven of the major Christian denominations read the words of the same book, the same written words of God, yet each have different doctrine and theology. How can that be?

They have each found, or created for themselves, loop-holes that satisfy their particular lusts.

 

[ezrider]

They have each found, or created for themselves, loop-holes that satisfy their particular lusts.

But if is The true Word of God, then all should have the same understanding. Should they not?

 

[Hopeful]

But if is The true Word of God, then all should have the same understanding. Should they not?

They should, if they were actually searching in the scriptures for God.

 

[ezrider]

They should, if they were actually searching in the scriptures for God.

It would not be fair to say they were not actually searching for God, but that is your judgement. None the less, the same words written in the book are not understood the same for all. You place too much faith in your own understanding of the scriptures.

And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.


Do you believe what is written in the word? Do you believe their minds remain blinded, even unto this very day, when reading the old testament, and by extension, the entirety of the written word? If the Lord has blinded their minds to the reading of the words of the book, then does it not stand to reason that the words of the book could be understood differently, thus resulting in many different theologies and doctrines? Could you possibly see a purpose in this?

How do you know the vail is not still upon your own heart?

 

[Hopeful]

It would not be fair to say they were not actually searching for God, but that is your judgement. None the less, the same words written in the book are not understood the same for all. You place too much faith in your own understanding of the scriptures.

I have faith that God has led me this far in my understandings of His word.

And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Do you believe what is written in the word?

Yes.

Do you believe their minds remain blinded, even unto this very day, when reading the old testament, and by extension, the entirety of the written word?

Yes, at least most of the Israelis.

If the Lord has blinded their minds to the reading of the words of the book, then does it not stand to reason that the words of the book could be understood differently, thus resulting in many different theologies and doctrines? Could you possibly see a purpose in this?

Certainly "differently", as it has not produced in them what it has produced in me.

How do you know the vail is not still upon your own heart?

Because it has provided me the freedom Jesus has promised it would in John 8:32-34.
Thanks be to God !

 

[ezrider]

Because it has provided me the freedom Jesus has promised it would in John 8:32-34.

It? What is it? The Bible? The Bible provided you the freedom Jesus Promised it would?

 

[Hopeful]

It? What is it? The Bible? The Bible provided you the freedom Jesus Promised it would?

It? What is it? The Bible? The Bible provided you the freedom Jesus Promised it would?

"It" is the "words of the book" that you were referring to in the post I answered.
"It" is the truth, spoken of by Jesus in John 8:32-34.

 

[ezrider]

"It" is the "words of the book" that you were referring to in the post I answered.
"It" is the truth, spoken of by Jesus in John 8:32-34.

Thank you for clarifying that. As I have noted in previous post, it appears all your faith is placed in the words of the book. Like I said before, I don't deny you your faith, just don't deny me mine. Don't get me wrong, the words of the book are important for those called into the ministry of condemnation. But my Faith rests in Christ and the promises of the Father, and that Faith is not found in the words of the book.

 

[Hopeful]

Thank you for clarifying that. As I have noted in previous post, it appears all your faith is placed in the words of the book. Like I said before, I don't deny you your faith, just don't deny me mine. Don't get me wrong, the words of the book are important for those called into the ministry of condemnation. But my Faith rests in Christ and the promises of the Father, and that Faith is not found in the words of the book.

Don't you think you can have faith in more than just one thing at a time?
BTW, I find the words in the bible to be crucial to the ministry of life.

It is nice to say "I believe...".
But when asked "Why do you believe...?", what do you do?
Where do you go for your proof of what you believe?
How do you convince others?

 

[ezrider]

Don't you think you can have faith in more than just one thing at a time?
BTW, I find the words in the bible to be crucial to the ministry of life.

It is nice to say "I believe...".
But when asked "Why do you believe...?", what do you do?
Where do you go for your proof of what you believe?
How do you convince others?

It is not up to me to convince others. Faith cometh by hearing. You have stated your faith is in the words of the book and you hold fast to the Hope of Salvation, yet to be revealed to you. My faith is not found in the words of the book, but the revelation of the the promises found therein.

 

[GodsGrace]

Have you considered that the Lord himself might have purpose to it?

No I haven't.
I can't imagine what the purpose would be.
If we each understand God our own way, then how could we know who He truly is?

Does He have the nature that I understand Him to have...?
Does He have the nature the reformed understand Him to have...?
Is He a personal God?
Does our continued salvation depend on our behavior - or is our behavior irrelevant since it all depends on Jesus?
If we pray for something are we supposed to get it, or did Jesus not really promise this?

If He can be different to some,,how do we know the truth?

 

[ezrider]

No I haven't.
I can't imagine what the purpose would be.

When Adam and Eve were booted out of the garden, God placed before the gate a flaming sword that spun every which way. Why did he do that?

 

[Hopeful]

It is not up to me to convince others.

The first thing that made me think was of the candle hidden under a bushel.
It is up to you to speak so others can hear.

Faith cometh by hearing. You have stated your faith is in the words of the book and you hold fast to the Hope of Salvation, yet to be revealed to you. My faith is not found in the words of the book, but the revelation of the the promises found therein.

Well I guess you don't need to do any studying at all then.

 

[ezrider]

The first thing that made me think was of the candle hidden under a bushel.
It is up to you to speak so others can hear.

It is not up to me to convince you. You are going to hear what YOU want to hear. From my interactions here with you, it is pretty clear to me that you are only listening to hear the words of the book, but not the voice of the Spirit.

Well I guess you don't need to do any studying at all then.

That is correct.