Woman on the Beast

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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Notice it is written "Mother" of harlots. As a mother of harlots she would also have daughters that would teach similar abominable doctrines that would be in opposition to what God taught through His Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

The reference to Babylon indicates that just as Babylon, the first of our world ruling empires foretold by God in the book of Daniel had spread and enforced its false idolatrous form of worship, so would this woman.

Additionally we are told that this woman is responsible for the deaths of faithful martyr's of Jesus and that this woman is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth, being present day Presidents and political government.

In viewing history from the time of the Babylonian Empire up to the revived Roman Empire that ruled over Jerusalem in the days of Christ and being an independent territory of the Vatican in Rome today has indeed ruled over kings of the earth in the past and the ruling power behind Presidents and Government in every nation today.

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon, have always disguised themselves as a religious sect, even calling themselves Christians today by name only, but denying the power of Christ. This last worldly ruling power have changed the doctrines of Christ and continue in their pagan ways will continue to make many martyr's in the end of days causing all to renounce Christ and take the mark of this beast and the harlot she rode in on.

The mother has many daughters since the time of Babylon as she is the ruling political power behind her daughters beginning with the Babylonian Empire up to present day Roman Empire.

The Great Whore, the Woman on the beast, can produce as many daughters as she wants to. It doesn't make them the beast. It makes them part of the Whore, the woman. Mystery Babylon. (Rev. 17:5)

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[for_his_glory]

The Great Whore, the Woman on the beast, can produce as many daughters as she wants to. It doesn't make them the beast. It makes them part of the Whore, the woman. Mystery Babylon. (Rev. 17:5)

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What about the four beast in Daniel 7, are they not a part of these daughters as each one is a part of the first beast of Babylon as they made their bed with the whore and fornicated with her.

If you can not see the symbolism of the harlot, her daughters and the beast she rides on then I can't help you see that as you ignore all I have given.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jeremiah 13:19
The cities of the south shall be shut up, and none shall open them: Judah shall be carried away captive all of it, it shall be wholly carried away captive.

Jeremiah 24:1
The Lord shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the Lord, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

Jeremiah 24:5
Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.


Scripture is pretty clear she was carried away to another land. But you say not so. Perhaps the IMAGE of a MAN holds you back, so that a vail remains upon your heart when it comes to reading the old testament. I am wondering why when you present all of this about the woman and the beast, that you want to tell us all about the Luciferian systems of this present world, but your knowledge of God Kingdom and His hand in these things seems suspicious at best.

And why did God allow Judah to be carried away captive to Babylon? Did Judah, especially Dan and Ephraim ever repent of their fornication with the harlot?

I explained why in post #114.

It's has always been a Luciferian system beginning with King Nimrod and the tower of Babel in which Babylon, (first Empire) got its name as Nimrod was the first king that ruled over Babylon. There have been three more daughters that have spawned from this first daughter.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Great Whore, the Woman on the beast, can produce as many daughters as she wants to. It doesn't make them the beast. It makes them part of the Whore, the woman. Mystery Babylon. (Rev. 17:5)

Quantrill

Do you not understand that the word beast in scripture, especially in Rev 13, is symbolic of the evil worldly ruling power of this world that rules over the people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Ephesians 6:12; Revelation 13; 17:15. This comprises of all world leaders starting with Nimrod the first king of Babylon and throughout all four Empires.

It's this harlot being the deceiving powers of Satan with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication, Rev 17:2, for all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies, Rev 18:3.

This is why I call it a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational and false religious system that we read in Rev 17 and 18 of who she is and that of her destruction when Christ returns, Rev 19.

 

[for_his_glory]

Your response tells me much about your understanding, or lack thereof. Why do you ask where in Daniel 7 does it say. Do you limit yourself to only Daniel 7. Do you not accept the other prophets? It the word of Jeremiah no good to you. You tried to pigeonhole me into a specific chapter and verse for an answer before, so I will not even indulge you with a response from Daniel 7.


Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters; I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him. And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the Lord, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand. Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish. But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the Lord; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.

I am done trying to discuss this with you as you continue to demean me and my understanding. I will not reply anymore to your post in this thread.

God bless you and have a good day.

 

[Quantrill]

What about the four beast in Daniel 7, are they not a part of these daughters as each one is a part of the first beast of Babylon as they made their bed with the whore and fornicated with her.

If you can not see the symbolism of the harlot, her daughters and the beast she rides on then I can't help you see that as you ignore all I have given.

The 4th beast is the 4th political beast. No, it is not the woman, the Mystery of iniquity.

Of course the beast uses the woman. That doesn't make the beast the woman.

Symbolism doesn't allow you to mix the two symbols, the great whore and the beast. The symbolism is given to present a literal truth. If you confuse the symbolism, then you don't arrive at the literal truth.

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[Quantrill]

Do you not understand that the word beast in scripture, especially in Rev 13, is symbolic of the evil worldly ruling power of this world that rules over the people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Ephesians 6:12; Revelation 13; 17:15. This comprises of all world leaders starting with Nimrod the first king of Babylon and throughout all four Empires.

It's this harlot being the deceiving powers of Satan with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication, Rev 17:2, for all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies, Rev 18:3.

This is why I call it a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational and false religious system that we read in Rev 17 and 18 of who she is and that of her destruction when Christ returns, Rev 19.

The word 'beast' is symbolic. But it speaks to a literal truth. If you misinterpret the symbol, then you don't arrive at the literal truth. A symbol or allegory or figurative language in the Scripture doesn't mean you can interpret however you want to. If you misinterpret these, then you miss the literal truth.

Though satan is behind both the religious Babylon and the political Babylon, doesn't mean the two systems are identical. God has showed us that they are not. The beast that uses the whore hates the whore. (Rev. 17:16). Doesn't matter, it will still use the whore till it sees she is no longer an asset, but a liability. Then it destroys her. (17:16-17)

Of course politics uses religion all the time. It doesn't make religion and politics are the same. The woman and the beast are not the same. God has made this division and so should we.

In my opinion.

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[for_his_glory]

The 4th beast is the 4th political beast. No, it is not the woman, the Mystery of iniquity.

Of course the beast uses the woman. That doesn't make the beast the woman.

Symbolism doesn't allow you to mix the two symbols, the great whore and the beast. The symbolism is given to present a literal truth. If you confuse the symbolism, then you don't arrive at the literal truth.

Quantrill

Would you get off this one sided argument of yours and actually read and study the scriptures I have given throughout this thread. I have never said that the woman was the beast, or the beast was the woman. I will no longer reply to this nonsense of yours.

 

[Quantrill]

Would you get off this one sided argument of yours and actually read and study the scriptures I have given throughout this thread. I have never said that the woman was the beast, or the beast was the woman. I will no longer reply to this nonsense of yours.

Yes you did. See post #(63). You said the harlot was the beast's political power and the beast was the religious power.

In post #(41) you say that the harlot is the religious system and the beast is political.

In post #(68) you say the beast is mystery Babylon.

You constantly change and mix the two causing confusion.

My argument may be one sided, but so is your error....I believe.

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[for_his_glory]

The word 'beast' is symbolic. But it speaks to a literal truth. If you misinterpret the symbol, then you don't arrive at the literal truth. A symbol or allegory or figurative language in the Scripture doesn't mean you can interpret however you want to. If you misinterpret these, then you miss the literal truth.

Though satan is behind both the religious Babylon and the political Babylon, doesn't mean the two systems are identical. God has showed us that they are not. The beast that uses the whore hates the whore. (Rev. 17:16). Doesn't matter, it will still use the whore till it sees she is no longer an asset, but a liability. Then it destroys her. (17:16-17)

Of course politics uses religion all the time. It doesn't make religion and politics are the same. The woman and the beast are not the same. God has made this division and so should we.

In my opinion.

Quantrill

The word 'beast' is symbolic. But it speaks to a literal truth as this we can agree on.

I do not interpret scripture however I want, nor would I ever do so as that would be adding to and taking away from the word of God, but I compare scripture with scripture, OT with NT and a lot of history in between in order to put it all together in how I understand all of it. It takes years to do this as I have been doing this for 40 years now and still learning everyday.

I would not call it religious Babylon, but pagan religion Babylon and today disguising itself as religion having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, 2 Timothy 3:5-7.

These ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The seven remaining nations will hate the whore for all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies, Rev 18:3. They will hate her knowing they will also receive her plagues unless they repent and come out of her and be not partakers of her sins.

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled, Rev 17:16-17.

 

[ezrider]

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon,

The Mother of Harlots, Jerusalem, sits upon the water. She does not ride the beast like she is Daenerys Targaryen riding her dragon. She was carried away by the beast, at God's command, and she has been scattered to the four corners.

She sits upon the waters, BEING the peoples; not the beast. She sits, she does not ride.

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

 

[ezrider]

The great city is Vatican City that has gathered all nations unto her self as she is ruled by none other than Satan and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

Being that Revelation 18 is a second witness to which is written in Isaiah 47, then it stands to reason that the Vatican City can not be that great city spoken of. The Vatican City did not give birth the Virgin of Babylon. nor did she give birth to the Lady of the Chaldeans. But Jerusalem did.

But that does not mean that the Vatican City herself is a not a harlot, for she is. She is her mother's daughter, who herself has gave birth. Are not the sins of the mother visited upon by the daughter?

 

[ezrider]

And why did God allow Judah to be carried away captive to Babylon? Did Judah, especially Dan and Ephraim ever repent of their fornication with the harlot?

What do Dan and Ephraim have to do with Judah? Ephraim became indicative of the ten tribes in the northern kingdom, while Benjamin and Judah remained with Jerusalem in the southern kingdom.


Why did God allow?

And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God. And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

 

[Quantrill]

The word 'beast' is symbolic. But it speaks to a literal truth as this we can agree on.

I do not interpret scripture however I want, nor would I ever do so as that would be adding to and taking away from the word of God, but I compare scripture with scripture, OT with NT and a lot of history in between in order to put it all together in how I understand all of it. It takes years to do this as I have been doing this for 40 years now and still learning everyday.

I would not call it religious Babylon, but pagan religion Babylon and today disguising itself as religion having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, 2 Timothy 3:5-7.

These ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The seven remaining nations will hate the whore for all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies, Rev 18:3. They will hate her knowing they will also receive her plagues unless they repent and come out of her and be not partakers of her sins.

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled, Rev 17:16-17.

And just as the beast is symbolic, the great whore is also symbolic and speaks to a literal truth. Correct? Which means the woman on the beast is not the beast.

(Rev. 17:7) "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

The seven heads and ten horns apply only to the beast. Not the woman.

You say "I would not call it religious Babylon". What is 'it'? The woman or the beast? You are trying to define the woman and the beast as one entity, Babylon. In this way you can use papal Rome to interpret certain aspects of the beast. And to this I disagree.

The comparison and application of (Dan. 7) with (Rev. 17) is not the issue. The issue is your interpretation which fails to see the woman and the beast as separate systems. Which in turn causes you to misinterpret the beast and the woman. In my opinion.

In other words, you and I can never come to any agreement on this issue. Because what you call 'my one sided argument', affects your and my interpretation.

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[for_his_glory]

And just as the beast is symbolic, the great whore is also symbolic and speaks to a literal truth. Correct? Which means the woman on the beast is not the beast.

(Rev. 17:7) "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

The seven heads and ten horns apply only to the beast. Not the woman.

You say "I would not call it religious Babylon". What is 'it'? The woman or the beast? You are trying to define the woman and the beast as one entity, Babylon. In this way you can use papal Rome to interpret certain aspects of the beast. And to this I disagree.

The comparison and application of (Dan. 7) with (Rev. 17) is not the issue. The issue is your interpretation which fails to see the woman and the beast as separate systems. Which in turn causes you to misinterpret the beast and the woman. In my opinion.

In other words, you and I can never come to any agreement on this issue. Because what you call 'my one sided argument', affects your and my interpretation.

Quantrill

We can agree that we will not agree, but will leave you with these verses. If you read take your time to really read Rev 17 and 18 and study the history of the seven heads and ten horns, which I have already explained in detail, you will see that mystery Babylon, who is the great mother of harlots, being the four Empires she birthed as daughters with seven of those ten nations that still exist today. The harlot controls the reign of the beast.

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Read that again without the commas being added. mystery Babylon the great the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Mystery Babylon is the mother of harlots and the harlots are the ten nations she gave birth to as being her daughters. Just like a mother bringing up her daughter, the daughter will not depart from how she was brought up.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Mother of Harlots, Jerusalem, sits upon the water. She does not ride the beast like she is Daenerys Targaryen riding her dragon. She was carried away by the beast, at God's command, and she has been scattered to the four corners.

She sits upon the waters, BEING the peoples; not the beast. She sits, she does not ride.

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Of course the waters are people and nations that she presides over as I never said anything different. The seven hills are the seven remaining nations that still exist today that are the daughters of this great whore.

 

[for_his_glory]

Being that Revelation 18 is a second witness to which is written in Isaiah 47, then it stands to reason that the Vatican City can not be that great city spoken of. The Vatican City did not give birth the Virgin of Babylon. nor did she give birth to the Lady of the Chaldeans. But Jerusalem did.

But that does not mean that the Vatican City herself is a not a harlot, for she is. She is her mother's daughter, who herself has gave birth. Are not the sins of the mother visited upon by the daughter?

Never heard of virgin Babylon or the Lady of the Chaldeans. Where is this found in scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

What do Dan and Ephraim have to do with Judah?

These two tribes have been cut off from God as they followed after the harlot fornicating with her. Go study it and see how they went after other gods never to repent.

 

[stovebolts]

These two tribes have been cut off from God as they followed after the harlot fornicating with her. Go study it and see how they went after other gods never to repent.

Hi for_his_glory
I’ve been sandbagging this thread for a bit, but didn’t have anything of value to contribute.

I do have a question though. I thought these two tribes became the Samaritans. I thought that they only followed the Torah and rejected the rest of the Jewish scriptures. They also set up a temple to worship YHVH which brought a lot of strife between them and Israel. Also, Jesus went out of his way to reconcile them.

That’s about all I know. Can you fill me in on how they followed a harlot?

 

[Quantrill]

We can agree that we will not agree, but will leave you with these verses. If you read take your time to really read Rev 17 and 18 and study the history of the seven heads and ten horns, which I have already explained in detail, you will see that mystery Babylon, who is the great mother of harlots, being the four Empires she birthed as daughters with seven of those ten nations that still exist today. The harlot controls the reign of the beast.

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Read that again without the commas being added. mystery Babylon the great the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Mystery Babylon is the mother of harlots and the harlots are the ten nations she gave birth to as being her daughters. Just like a mother bringing up her daughter, the daughter will not depart from how she was brought up.

I have always said that 'Mystery Babylon' is the great whore.

But Mystery Babylon is not political Babylon. It is not the beast. Mystery Babylon is not the empires. She is the religious aspect of the empires used by the empires. And the kings, later represented by the 10 horns, hate her.

Mystery Babylon is not the 10 nations, nor the mother of the 10 nations. Again, you are mixing the woman with the beast.

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