The War To End All Wars

[journeyman]

Yes He does judge the means at the end.

I was pointing to the Trinity as the Means. With him all things are possible.

 

[journeyman]

The Word was WITH God.

Always was and will be.

No, words can be powerful even if the author isn’t known. Words have power.

I meant his word is true. Words are powerful, but powerless when contrary to the word of our God.

The Bible says they followed or kept the law.

We're of the same body with OT believers who kept it by faith.

I think we’re probably just too different in our thinking. You are rather etheral and I am practical.

I don't see the spiritual as impractable.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Always was and will be.

I meant his word is true. Words are powerful, but powerless when contrary to the word of our God.

We're of the same body with OT believers who kept it by faith.

I don't see the spiritual as impractable.

I don’t either but you have a tendency to define words so that they become impractical at times. The OT saints didnt follow the spirit (whatever that means) but they followed the law ( which is practical.) That what it says.

 

[journeyman]

I don’t either but you have a tendency to define words so that they become impractical at times. The OT saints didnt follow the spirit (whatever that means) but they followed the law ( which is practical.) That what it says.

Just to be clear, some OT believers followed by the Spirit of the law, not by the letter. By that I mean they understood the purpose of the law is to show mankinds' unrighteousness. They understood this, because they let the law speak to them about themselves, not about others. When that happens, we want mercy and want it for others.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just to be clear, some OT believers followed by the Spirit of the law, not by the letter.

Who claimed this of themselves?

By that I mean they understood the purpose of the law is to show mankinds' unrighteousness.

But that wasn’t the purpose God said when He gave the law. And that’s not the purpose anyway. God didn’t say, “ do not murder” so that we can realize we are murderers. He said it so we don’t murder.

They understood this, because they let the law speak to them about themselves, not about others.

Who reflected these thoughts in the Bible? David wrote,”the law of the Lord is perfect….more to de desired than gold.”

When that happens, we want mercy and want it for others.

It’s better not to need mercy because a man does justly and loves mercy and walks humbly with God.

 

[journeyman]

Who claimed this of themselves?
Paul claimed it for them, because we're all saved the same way,

all our fathers...did all drink the same spiritual drink...1Cor.10:1,

But that wasn’t the purpose God said when He gave the law. And that’s not the purpose anyway. God didn’t say, “ do not murder” so that we can realize we are murderers. He said it so we don’t murder.

He said it to specifically define it as sin against himself,

I had not known sin, but by the law Rom.7:7

Please remember he's writing to former pagans.

Who reflected these thoughts in the Bible? David wrote,”the law of the Lord is perfect….more to de desired than gold.”

He also said,

that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Psa.51:4

Dorothy Mae
It’s better not to need mercy because a man does justly and loves mercy and walks humbly with God.

I wouldn't be doing any of those things without Gods' mercy

 

[eddif]

Types and shadows
journeyman
Dorothy Mae

Types and shadows

Types

Type Meaning - Bible Definition and References

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Shadows of things to come

Type Joseph in Egypt was a deliverer of Egypt and the world from famine
Compares to Jesus delivers from sin.
Both were between two people ( one dies the other lives.

Shadow of things to come.
Food and drink are shadows of future living on words.

Symbolism is not completely perfect, and actually can hide truth ( if it is a parable used by Jesus when before the multitudes.

eddif

 

[ezrider]

Shadows of things to come

Type Joseph in Egypt was a deliverer of Egypt and the world from famine
Compares to Jesus delivers from sin.
Both were between two people ( one dies the other lives.

Interestingly enough, Joseph did not build a wall to keep out the foreigners during the famine, instead he provided for them. His kin and his fathers house even found refuge in the land of Egypt. Lest we forget God's command to his people,

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Shadows of things to come? What do we see in this day and age. Severe droughts, then floods, famine, civil tumult, and the peoples have slowly begun migrating north the world over due to climate change. Migration into Europe and migrations into the United States.

But do the stiffnecked MAGA Christian nationalists exhibit the fruits of the Spirit? Do they show that the Word of God is written on their heart? When they want to build a wall to keep out the foreigner, when they claim the foreigner has no rights under our constitution, and when they continually vex the foreigners coming into the land as being murders and rapists; do they exhibit the qualities of a Joseph?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Types and shadows
journeyman
Dorothy Mae

Types and shadows

Types

Type Meaning - Bible Definition and References

Discover the meaning of Type in the Bible. Study the definition of Type with multiple Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and find scripture references in the Old and New Testaments.

www.biblestudytools.com

Shadows of things to come

Type Joseph in Egypt was a deliverer of Egypt and the world from famine
Compares to Jesus delivers from sin.
Both were between two people ( one dies the other lives.

Shadow of things to come.
Food and drink are shadows of future living on words.

Symbolism is not completely perfect, and actually can hide truth ( if it is a parable used by Jesus when before the multitudes.

eddif

They were also real people.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Interestingly enough, Joseph did not build a wall to keep out the foreigners during the famine, instead he provided for them. His kin and his fathers house even found refuge in the land of Egypt. Lest we forget God's command to his people,

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Shadows of things to come? What do we see in this day and age. Severe droughts, then floods, famine, civil tumult, and the peoples have slowly begun migrating north the world over due to climate change. Migration into Europe and migrations into the United States.

But do the stiffnecked MAGA Christian nationalists exhibit the fruits of the Spirit? Do they show that the Word of God is written on their heart? When they want to build a wall to keep out the foreigner, when they claim the foreigner has no rights under our constitution, and when they continually vex the foreigners coming into the land as being murders and rapists; do they exhibit the qualities of a Joseph?

Do the immigrants come under the law of the land same as the foreigners who entered Israel? Do they abandon the gods they served sane as the foreigners who entered Israel?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Types and shadows
journeyman
Dorothy Mae

Types and shadows

Types

Type Meaning - Bible Definition and References

Discover the meaning of Type in the Bible. Study the definition of Type with multiple Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and find scripture references in the Old and New Testaments.

www.biblestudytools.com

Shadows of things to come

Type Joseph in Egypt was a deliverer of Egypt and the world from famine
Compares to Jesus delivers from sin.
Both were between two people ( one dies the other lives.

Shadow of things to come.
Food and drink are shadows of future living on words.

Symbolism is not completely perfect, and actually can hide truth ( if it is a parable used by Jesus when before the multitudes.

eddif

Once you got the concrete truth, the shadow can be abandoned. It becomes as useless as shadows are.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

all our fathers...did all drink the same spiritual drink...1Cor.10:1,

Again, Paul says they drank, not followed the Spirit. I asked you who in the OT says that they “followed the Spirit” speaking of themselves. Quoting Paul isn’t an OT person saying that of themselves.

He said it to specifically define it as sin against himself,

I had not known sin, but by the law Rom.7:7

From a manner of speaking but he said that of HIMSELF alone. God himself said why He gave the law and that wasn’t his view.

Please remember he's writing to former pagans.

And has what significance?

He also said,

that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Psa.51:4

I wouldn't be doing any of those things without Gods' mercy

You mean He doesn’t just smash you and everyone else so it’s his mercy we’re even alive?

 

[ezrider]

Do the immigrants come under the law of the land same as the foreigners who entered Israel? Do they abandon the gods they served sane as the foreigners who entered Israel?

Instead of receiving the spirit of the Law, do you wish to justify yourself before the law?

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

You are familiar with the words of Jesus, how his gospel was a command to beat your swords into plowshares? You know, turn the other cheek, forgive one another; Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven, who maketh it rain on the just and the unjust alike?

But in the last days it shall come to pass,
that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains,
and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say,
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
and to the house of the God of Jacob;
and he will teach us of his ways,
and we will walk in his paths:
for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among many people,
and rebuke strong nations afar off;
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruninghooks:
nation shall not lift up a sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more.
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree;
and none shall make them afraid:
for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god,
and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.


So as to your question and do they need to abandon the gods they serve as in the times of the old covenant, I would suggest NO. Even as it is, many of the migrants pushing north against the US border claim the name of Christ for themselves as well. What god would you have them worship entering the country? The MAGA Christians Nationalists seem to confuse the Constitution with the covenant laws of Israel, and they would have you worship for a god someone created in their image.

 

[eddif]

Interestingly enough, Joseph did not build a wall to keep out the foreigners during the famine, instead he provided for them. His kin and his fathers house even found refuge in the land of Egypt. Lest we forget God's command to his people,

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Shadows of things to come? What do we see in this day and age. Severe droughts, then floods, famine, civil tumult, and the peoples have slowly begun migrating north the world over due to climate change. Migration into Europe and migrations into the United States.

But do the stiffnecked MAGA Christian nationalists exhibit the fruits of the Spirit? Do they show that the Word of God is written on their heart? When they want to build a wall to keep out the foreigner, when they claim the foreigner has no rights under our constitution, and when they continually vex the foreigners coming into the land as being murders and rapists; do they exhibit the qualities of a Joseph?

You covered it pretty well. Types are not the reality we are looking for, but the inward change.

Then Gods people complained about physical food in the wilderness. They failed to see the spiritual food parallels.

The Ezekiel people who sighed over the sins of Israel escaped death. They were dispersed to save their lives and witness to the nations.

Types and shadows are not the ultimate reality. Jesus is the way, the truth and the light.

eddif.

 

[eddif]

They were also real people.

Who had a need beyond the law of Moses.

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Instead of receiving the spirit of the Law, do you wish to justify yourself before the law?

Huh?

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

You are familiar with the words of Jesus, how his gospel was a command to beat your swords into plowshares?

I don’t possess a plowshare.

You know, turn the other cheek, forgive one another; Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven, who maketh it rain on the just and the unjust alike?

Where is this question coming from? What does this have to do with the discussion?

But in the last days it shall come to pass,
that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains,
and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say,
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
and to the house of the God of Jacob;
and he will teach us of his ways,
and we will walk in his paths:
for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among many people,
and rebuke strong nations afar off;
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruninghooks:
nation shall not lift up a sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more.
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree;
and none shall make them afraid:
for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god,
and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

That’s what’s happening.

So as to your question and do they need to abandon the gods they serve as in the times of the old covenant, I would suggest NO.

You are deeply wrong. They were absolutely not allowed to worship demons in Israel. It was forbidden.

Even as it is, many of the migrants pushing north against the US border claim the name of Christ for themselves as well. What god would you have them worship entering the country? The MAGA Christians Nationalists seem to confuse the Constitution with the covenant laws of Israel, and they would have you worship for a god someone created in their image.

Certainly not the muslims

 

[journeyman]

Types and shadows
journeyman
Dorothy Mae

Types and shadows

Types

Type Meaning - Bible Definition and References

Discover the meaning of Type in the Bible. Study the definition of Type with multiple Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and find scripture references in the Old and New Testaments.

www.biblestudytools.com

Shadows of things to come

Type Joseph in Egypt was a deliverer of Egypt and the world from famine
Compares to Jesus delivers from sin.
Both were between two people ( one dies the other lives.

Shadow of things to come.
Food and drink are shadows of future living on words.

Symbolism is not completely perfect, and actually can hide truth ( if it is a parable used by Jesus when before the multitudes.

eddif

Joseph is one of the best examples of Christ in the OT.

 

[eddif]

Joseph is one of the best examples of Christ in the OT.

Of a type of Christ in the Old Testament. A type is not a reality.

 

[journeyman]

Again, Paul says they drank, not followed the Spirit. I asked you who in the OT says that they “followed the Spirit” speaking of themselves. Quoting Paul isn’t an OT person saying that of themselves.

It wouldn't be possible to drink from the Spirit of Christ, unless they were following him.

Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them, Isa.63:11

From a manner of speaking but he said that of HIMSELF alone.

Paul was using himself as an example of how we all are. We have no conception of what sin is apart from what God determines. Otherwise, people are left to their own morality and how's that working out?

God himself said why He gave the law and that wasn’t his view.

Yes it was Gods' view,

by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal.2:16

And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified. Psa.143:2

The law was meant to be pointed at self, to produce humility, as we are all sinners in need of Gods mercy.

And has what significance?

They formerly made up their own morality. Who knows...maybe they also thought abortion was ok.

You mean He doesn’t just smash you and everyone else so it’s his mercy we’re even alive?

I can tell you this. His mercy toward those who sinned against him held him on that cross and everyone who calls himself Christian better see the depth of that mercy.

 

[journeyman]

Of a type of Christ in the Old Testament. A type is not a reality.

Certainly I meant type. The reality is, Joseph was conformed to his image.