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No, Yahweh is the Name of the One God, Yahweh, God the Father. Jesus is the Son of God.
Where is your warrant for doing so for both of your understandings?Two favourite Trinitarian Scriptures. I understand "The Word" to be a personification similar to the Wise Woman "Wisdom" of Proverbs 8. I consider that Colossians speaks of the New Creation in Jesus.
Curious theory. Can you find similar examples where a "Personification" becomes flesh, dwells among humans who behold His glory, how He is full of grace and truth?Greetings again Alfred Persson,
I do not endorse the teaching of Arius, as it is extreme in one direction, just as Trinitarianism is extreme in the other direction.
Two favourite Trinitarian Scriptures. I understand "The Word" to be a personification similar to the Wise Woman "Wisdom" of Proverbs 8. I consider that Colossians speaks of the New Creation in Jesus.
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Trevor
Jesus is the major development of the Yahweh Name. The Name Yahweh is incorporated in the Name Jesus "Yah-Oshea", that is Jesus is Yahweh's Salvation. Jesus is the Saviour though whom the One God, Yahweh, God the Father has accomplished salvation, through His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of God, in God the Father's Throne, and Jesus is The Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.Yes Jesus is the Son. He has the same name as His Father.
No, the Scriptures apply the Hebrew word "Elohim" to God, the Angels, the Judges, especially to the Lord Jesus Christ and in prospect to the resurrected faithful. As such the word "Elohim" has a wider range of meaning than our English word "God". Jesus explains one aspect of this when he is talking about the corrupt Judges in Israel, and this was being replicated by the current Sanhedrin:The scriptures refer to the Angel of the LORD as God.
I appreciate your wide range of Trinitarian concepts. But to respond to John 1:1 and your statement above please answer: Who is the Wise Woman WISDOM, who was the companion of Yahweh in the creation?Ideas, statements, speeches, etc., cannot fit with what John was meaning; only a person can. Only a person can be in intimate relationship with another person.
God's thoughts, logic (Logos), plans, purposes came to a reality and became a human, flesh, in the birth, development and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ and when John beheld Jesus he beheld his moral glory, full of grace and truth.Curious theory. Can you find similar examples where a "Personification" becomes flesh, dwells among humans who behold His glory, how He is full of grace and truth?
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (Jn. 1:14 NKJ)
Impossible theory, self contradiction. A thought isn't flesh, that demands everyone repents and then is crucified at Calvary. Or rises from the dead three days later.Greetings again Alfred Persson,
God's thoughts, logic (Logos), plans, purposes came to a reality and became a human, flesh, in the birth, development and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ and when John beheld Jesus he beheld his moral glory, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1 and John 1:14 are speaking in the realm of ideas, of how the Divine character became developed in a human, Jesus the only begotten Son of God, not the transmission of "God the Son" into the womb of Mary. We need to go to Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35 to understand the method whereby Jesus was conceived and born. To superimpose Trinitarain concepts into John 1, Matthew 1, Luke 1 is erroneous.
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Trevor
No, the Scriptures apply the Hebrew word "Elohim" to God, the Angels, the Judges, especially to the Lord Jesus Christ and in prospect to the resurrected faithful. As such the word "Elohim" has a wider range of meaning than our English word "God". Jesus explains one aspect of this when he is talking about the corrupt Judges in Israel, and this was being replicated by the current Sanhedrin:
You have ignored Proverbs 8. The focus of God's plan and purpose for this earth became realised in the birth, development and ministry of Jesus. It was a development, not because a separate GOD, God the Son accomplished all this. The result was all the work of the One God, Yahweh, God the Father though the responsiveness and trust of His human Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.Impossible theory, self contradiction. A thought isn't flesh, that demands everyone repents and then is crucified at Calvary. Or rises from the dead three days later.
Yes, but you have ignored what I have stated and established.Without a doubt the scriptures refer to the Angel of the LORD as God.
Yes, but you have ignored what I have stated and established.
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Trevor
I believe that the Angel that appeared to Moses was an ArchAngel, most probably Michael the ArchAngel. You are ignoring what I stated and established.Hopefully we can now come to agree that the Angel of the LORD is God, not Michael the angel.
I believe that the Angel that appeared to Moses was an ArchAngel
I will commend one of your attributes, you are persistent, even if it is with a wrong doctrine, but it is getting to the stage that you are being tiresome and I am not sure if you are playing some game or other. If I mark your next post with "sad", you will know that I have had enough.According to the scripture in Exodus 3 (as well as, Judges 13, and Zechariah 12) The Angel of the LORD is God.
Greetings again JLB,
I will commend one of your attributes, you are persistent, even if it is with a wrong doctrine, but it is getting to the stage that you are being tiresome and I am not sure if you are playing some game or other. If I mark your next post with "sad", you will know that I have had enough.
When a person was brought before "Elohim" in Exodus 21:6 was it because God the Father or God the Son had taken on a human form in order to pass Judgement?
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Trevor
The language and ideas are unique, but yes, I have considered this over many years, and what I have stated is my understanding of these things. The Angel represents Yahweh and speaks and acts on His behalf.I hope you think about and study the following points and scriptures.
- The Angel of the LORD appeared to Moses.
- The Angel of the LORD stated He was the God of Abraham.
- Moses said He was afraid to look upon God.
I have given my understanding of these passages in Post #235 as "I am he" for John 8:58 and "I will be" for Exodus 3:14. The KJV is a biased Trinitarian translation.In Conclusion:
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Exodus 3:14
- The Angel of the LORD said His name was I AM.
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
- Jesus said He was I AM, and the Jews immediately picked stones to stone Him for His claim.
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:57-59
The language and ideas are unique, but yes, I have considered this over many years, and what I have stated is my understanding of these things. The Angel represents Yahweh and speaks and acts on His behalf.
I have given my understanding of these passages in Post #235 as "I am he" for John 8:58 and "I will be" for Exodus 3:14. The KJV is a biased Trinitarian translation.
I am not interested in pursuing this subject any further. We are headed in different directions. I have presented a fair range of my understanding.If you like I would like to discuss this from another scripture.
I have already added my perspective on this passage, post #235.Jesus applied this name to Himself, I AM.
I have already added my perspective on this passage, post #235.