Limited Atonement - TULIP

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• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,
• and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

John 6:28 Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

Verse 28 = Literally, what do we do? The best texts read ποιῶμεν, what are we to do?

Verse 29 = Believe. Faith is put as a moral act or work. The work of God is to believe. Faith includes all the works which God requires. The Jews' question contemplates numerous works. Jesus' answer directs them to one work. Canon Westcott justly observes that “this simple formula contains the complete solution of the relation of faith and works.”

Those who have done good are all those who accepted the gospel.
Those who have done evil are all those who have not accepted the gospel.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Paul referred to the works of the law.

Paul is not referring to the obedience of faith.

Two entirely different things.

False dichotomy. Faith and work are two sides of the same coin.

 

[JLB]

He doesn't expect us to do them.

Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Both to will and do.

He absolutely expects us to be fruitful and do the works He prepared beforehand for us to do.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10

• For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[JLB]

False dichotomy. Faith and work are two sides of the same coin.

Faith and obedience are two sides of the same coin.

That’s why it’s called the obedience of faith.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 2:26

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Faith and obedience are two sides of the same coin.

That’s why it’s called the obedience of faith.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 2:26

Obedience of faith is proven and validated by work.

 

[electedbyHim]

Both to will and do.

He absolutely expects us to be fruitful and do the works He prepared beforehand for us to do.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10

• For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Your missing Whatever 's point.

 

[JLB]

Obedience of faith is proven and validated by work.

The work of obedience.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

Was Abraham justified because he did some “good works” or was he justified because he obeyed the Lord to offer his son Isaac on the altar?

 

[JLB]

Your missing Whatever 's point.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10

• For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[electedbyHim]

The work of obedience.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

Was Abraham justified because he did some “good works” or was he justified because he obeyed the Lord to offer his son Isaac on the altar?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

That is not correct.


Abraham Justified by Faith

Rom 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about—but not before God!
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS COUNTED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not counted according to grace, but according to what is due.
Rom 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes upon Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Rom 4:6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Rom 4:7 “BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
Rom 4:8 “BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.”
Rom 4:9 Therefore, is this blessing on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS COUNTED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
Rom 4:10 How then was it counted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;
Rom 4:11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be counted to them,
Rom 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

 

[electedbyHim]

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10

• For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Do you consistently do good works 100% of the time?

 

[JLB]

That is not correct.


Abraham Justified by Faith

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

Not the works of the law.
Not work that earns a wage.
Not good works.

Abraham was justified by the work or action of obedience;
the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 2:26

 

[JLB]

Do you consistently do good works 100% of the time?

Only as led by the Spirit; the fruitful works of the Spirit.

Not dead works.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14

 

[electedbyHim]

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

Not the works of the law.
Not work that earns a wage.
Not good works.

Abraham was justified by the work or action of obedience;
the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 2:26

in context....

Faith Without Works Is Dead

Jas 2:14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Jas 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


James 2:21-26
James cites three illustrations of living faith: (1) Abraham (Jas_2:21-24); (2) Rahab (Jas_2:25); and (3) the human body and spirit (Jas_2:26).

James 2:21

justified by works. This does not contradict Paul's clear teaching that Abraham was justified before God by grace alone through faith alone (Rom_3:20; Rom_4:1-25; Gal_3:6, Gal_3:11). For several reasons, James cannot mean that Abraham was constituted righteous before God because of his own good works: (1) James has already emphasized that salvation is a gracious gift (Jas_1:17-18); (2) in the middle of this disputed passage (Jas_2:23), James quoted Gen_15:6, which forcefully claims that God credited righteousness to Abraham solely on the basis of his faith (see notes on Rom_1:17; Rom_3:24; Rom_4:1-25); and (3) the work that James said justified Abraham was his offering up of Isaac (Gen_22:9, Gen_22:12), an event that occurred many years after he first exercised faith and was declared righteous before God (Gen_12:1-7; Gen_15:6). Instead, Abraham's offering of Isaac demonstrated the genuineness of his faith and the reality of his justification before God.

James is emphasizing the vindication before others of a person's claim to salvation. James's teaching perfectly complements Paul's writings; salvation is determined by faith alone (Eph_2:8-9) and demonstrated by faithfulness to obey God's will alone (Eph_2:10).

 

[electedbyHim]

Only as led by the Spirit; the fruitful works of the Spirit.

Not dead works.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14

Agreed.

Any work outside of the Spirits leading is fleshly works.

 

[JLB]

in context....

Faith Without Works Is Dead

The “work” that the context refers to is obedience; the obedience of faith.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

“By faith” literally means… God spoke to a person and they obeyed what He told them to do.


By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8

• The action of obedience was obeying the Lord to go out from the land of his family to a land the Lord was calling him to inherit.

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

• The action of obedience was to move with godly fear and build the ark.

 

[Free]

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

Not the works of the law.
Not work that earns a wage.
Not good works.

Abraham was justified by the work or action of obedience;
the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 2:26

What is or are the biblical meaning(s) of justification?

 

[Whatever]

JLB, you chided me a while ago about talking about end times stuff in here when it is supposed to be about Limited Atonement.

Now all you are talking about if faith vs works, not limited atonement.

 

[JLB]

What is or are the biblical meaning(s) of justification?

To be justified by God is to be declared to be righteous;
right with God. In righteousness standing with God.

 

[JLB]

JLB, you chided me a while ago about talking about end times stuff in here when it is supposed to be about Limited Atonement.

Now all you are talking about if faith vs works, not limited atonement.

I’m showing from the scriptures elements of how we are “atoned for” in which we are made righteous, or just before God by the blood of Jesus.


Honestly the phrase Limited Atonement is not found in scripture.
The idea of Limited Atonement is not found in scripture.



JLB

 

[Free]

To be justified by God is to be declared to be righteous;
right with God. In righteousness standing with God.

Is that the only meaning in the Bible? I think if you study it, you will find that it is not.