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Baptism

Corn Pop

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Faith is belief, its beliving in things not seen. Hope and trust.

Why are some people so obssesed with baptism like water saves people?.

Christ saves lives, not water. Abraham believed God, he believed God would deliever through Christ even he did not see it he believed God and thats faith and he was credited with righteousness.

The thief on the cross asked Jesus to remember him, he was down and had no one else to turn to for comfort and support but Christ, he decided to believe and put his hope and trust in Christs hands, and Christ credited him with righteousness for having that faith, he didnt get dunked in water or eat a slice of bread.

Water baptisim is good its a good thing, but its not needed to be saved and sometimes people freak out they not baptised in water and question there faith and if they saved. Our belief is not in a river of water, its in God alone.


Christ is the living water, he is the bread of life, faith in Christ is more important and more worthy than believing being dunked in some water saves lives.
 
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Ez 36:25-27
Except in this OT verse the word used is sprinkle which is not the same af all when considering the NT word baptism which is derived from the Greek word baptizo meaning to dip, plunge, immerse. The Greek word for sprinkle us different and not interchangeable with baptizo. Today you cannot have water sprinkled on you as a form of baptism. If so done, you've not been baptized. Just for clarification.
 
Except in this OT verse the word used is sprinkle which is not the same af all when considering the NT word baptism which is derived from the Greek word baptizo meaning to dip, plunge, immerse. The Greek word for sprinkle us different and not interchangeable with baptizo. Today you cannot have water sprinkled on you as a form of baptism. If so done, you've not been baptized. Just for clarification.
Instead of going with "sprinkled", how about using "applied ?
 
Except in this OT verse the word used is sprinkle which is not the same af all when considering the NT word baptism which is derived from the Greek word baptizo meaning to dip, plunge, immerse. The Greek word for sprinkle us different and not interchangeable with baptizo. Today you cannot have water sprinkled on you as a form of baptism. If so done, you've not been baptized. Just for clarification.
Yes of the Holy Ghost and fire.
John the Baptist prepared the way by what means?
 
Those two baptisms are not implied by Mark 16:16.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins is the subject of Mark 16:16
Stop being boring, the Spirit is testimony of forgiveness, which was given showing they were baptised of the Holy Ghost, shown in Acts 10.

Not being baptized in water wont take the forgiveness and gift of the Holy Ghost away, he reason for his is told in Peter, now get hence.



Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
Hey All,
Sprinkling is still used as s form of baptism. If a person is unable to be immersed (too old, or in a hospital or prison, and also for infants), then some churches recognize the act of sprinkling as a form of baptism.
Because, if you think about it, the water doesn't actually do anything, physically, to you other than get you wet. It is the act of obedience that gives baptism relevance. The same is true for Communion. What if you don't have wine and bread? You can have Communion using Rits crackers and a coke if that is what is available. They are just representations. It is the act of Communion, the obedience to the Word to remember His sacrifice, that is important.

The passage in Ezekiel

Ezekiel 36:25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
 
The covenant in the blood of Christ is the sprinkling, as before that there is no covenant, it is in HIs blood.


1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.



The water that saves us is what Christ gave, that is pure water, which is after Christ was pierced, as out of HIs side came water and blood.

It proves absolutely with no question, the pure water can only be the Spirit, so baptism is by the Spirit, as no other water is pure.

Check below to verify.



John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.


1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 22: And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
 
Hey All,
Sprinkling is still used as s form of baptism. If a person is unable to be immersed (too old, or in a hospital or prison, and also for infants), then some churches recognize the act of sprinkling as a form of baptism.
Because, if you think about it, the water doesn't actually do anything, physically, to you other than get you wet. It is the act of obedience that gives baptism relevance. The same is true for Communion. What if you don't have wine and bread? You can have Communion using Rits crackers and a coke if that is what is available. They are just representations. It is the act of Communion, the obedience to the Word to remember His sacrifice, that is important.

The passage in Ezekiel

Ezekiel 36:25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Communion can be by the bread that Christ showed to us, ( the Word.) it does not have to be of this earth, as that is the wisdom of this world that cones to nothing with the bread of this world to nothing too.



Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

John 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

John 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
 
Hey All,
There has got to be a way to move the "post reply button?"(My arch nemesis) Let me continue my thoughts.

Continued from above: The same may be said for the water in baptism. Would it count if a person were dunked (immersed) in grape juice or olive oil? What if there is no water, or a very limited supply, say a canteen on the battlefield. An extreme case I grant you, but I use it to ask Is it the liquid or the act that is effective?
One further thought, how does not being baptized affect my faith? If I say, "ah that was 2000 years ago and I just don't feel like it." Does that rise to the level of being a sin? If so, why? Stuff to think about. Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
Stop being boring, the Spirit is testimony of forgiveness, which was given showing they were baptised of the Holy Ghost, shown in Acts 10.
Boring ?
Acts 10, Cornelius's conversion, was a one of a kind event designed by God to convince the Jews that the Gentiles too were eligible to be in the body of Christ.
Besides having nothing to do with the Mark 16:16 scripture I was discussing, those Gentiles were water baptized right after having received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Not being baptized in water wont take the forgiveness and gift of the Holy Ghost away, he reason for his is told in Peter, now get hence.
Don't fool yourself.
Peter laid out the sequence of events on the day of Pentecost, in Acts 2:38.
Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Why make up new answers for the men questioning Peter on that day ?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
No repentance from sin leaves one still a sinner, and a child of the devil, as per 1 John 3:10.
No baptism leaves one with a still polluted "temple"...unfit for the Holy Spirit's residency.
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
There is the one of a kind event to convince the Jews of Gentile faithfulness.
Followed by water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Thank God for that verse, as it was the first one I obeyed to become a Christian.
 
Hey All,
There has got to be a way to move the "post reply button?"(My arch nemesis) Let me continue my thoughts.

Continued from above: The same may be said for the water in baptism. Would it count if a person were dunked (immersed) in grape juice or olive oil? What if there is no water, or a very limited supply, say a canteen on the battlefield. An extreme case I grant you, but I use it to ask Is it the liquid or the act that is effective?
One further thought, how does not being baptized affect my faith? If I say, "ah that was 2000 years ago and I just don't feel like it." Does that rise to the level of being a sin? If so, why? Stuff to think about. Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
As God provided water in the desert for the Ethiopian, He will furnish water whenever a man wants to be cleansed of his past sins.
My make up hypothetical situations to tempt God ?


BTW, there is an "edit" button below whatever you just posted accidently, so you can tweak your posts.
 
Boring ?
Acts 10, Cornelius's conversion, was a one of a kind event designed by God to convince the Jews that the Gentiles too were eligible to be in the body of Christ.
Besides having nothing to do with the Mark 16:16 scripture I was discussing, those Gentiles were water baptized right after having received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Because they had Peter there preaching to them, if we believe without Peter or anyone, directly from Christ, we are baptized directly from Him already, stop you boring disputing.



Don't fool yourself.
Peter laid out the sequence of events on the day of Pentecost, in Acts 2:38.
Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Why make up new answers for the men questioning Peter on that day ?
Because they had Peter there preaching to them, if we believe without Peter or anyone, directly from Christ, we are baptized directly from Him already, stop you boring disputing.



No repentance from sin leaves one still a sinner, and a child of the devil, as per 1 John 3:10.
No baptism leaves one with a still polluted "temple"...unfit for the Holy Spirit's residency.
Blasphemy, the Holy Spirit went into people who had believed, therefore repented, fit for the Holy Spirit, and as I told you..


Because they had Peter there preaching to them, if we believe without Peter or anyone, directly from Christ, we are baptized directly from Him already, stop your disputing.

There is the one of a kind event to convince the Jews of Gentile faithfulness.
Followed by water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Thank God for that verse, as it was the first one I obeyed to become a Christian.
If we have a lack of the Apostles now, and the churches are corrupted, that is why baptism is believing in Christ risen, and as we seen in Acts 10, they heard about the rising of Christ, that is being saved, stop your empty dispute.

There is no way you can sp3ak in righteousness and instruct others that they are not saved without water. ( not without me stopping you all too easily, when I can answer.)



Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:



Here is the answer, but it is only more for you to dispute.


David had a similar problem to what we have today, ( being on the run from Saul.) and we have the problem of the churches corrupted.

David needed bread ( for survival.) and had to change the law for a moment, ( because of need) to take the shewbread, because there was no bread there. ( the saving for us/survival, is being baptised, if we cant have water, as nobody is worthy to baptise anyone any more, we have the Holy Baptism of the Holy Ghost.)

Everything Peter spoke about baptism was right for then, the times have changed, now the faith is on the run, as David was from Saul.


1 Samuel 21:3 Now therefore what is under thine hand? give me five loaves of bread in mine hand, or what there is present.
4 And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women.
5 And David answered the priest, and said unto him, Of a truth women have been kept from us about these three days, since I came out, and the vessels of the young men are holy, and the bread is in a manner common, yea, though it were sanctified this day in the vessel.
6 So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the Lord, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.

John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Matthew 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?




Judge righteous judgement, in this time evil men are crept in and we have to instead contend for the faith once delivered to the saints. and if we cannot be baptised by water, we are saved by the baptism of belief, of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.



Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.


1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
 
As God provided water in the desert for the Ethiopian, He will furnish water whenever a man wants to be cleansed of his past sins.
My make up hypothetical situations to tempt God ?


BTW, there is an "edit" button below whatever you just posted accidently, so you can tweak your posts.
That is wrong too, God cant provide faithful men to baptise others with water, in the time there is a falling away, the snare on the whole world. ( or there will be no day of Christ.)

NO man can deceive by any means.



Luke 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.


2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 
Stop being boring, the Spirit is testimony of forgiveness, which was given showing they were baptised of the Holy Ghost, shown in Acts 10.

Not being baptized in water wont take the forgiveness and gift of the Holy Ghost away, he reason for his is told in Peter, now get hence.



Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Acts 22:16
 
Because they had Peter there preaching to them, if we believe without Peter or anyone, directly from Christ, we are baptized directly from Him already, stop you boring disputing.
You mistakenly refer to a one time event as a normal occurrence.
Blasphemy, the Holy Spirit went into people who had believed, therefore repented, fit for the Holy Spirit, and as I told you..
I wouldn't call 1 John 3:10 "blasphemy".
As Cornelius and his household were the only occurrence of that in the bible, why neglect all the other occurrence that correct your mistake ?
Because they had Peter there preaching to them, if we believe without Peter or anyone, directly from Christ, we are baptized directly from Him already, stop your disputing.
As "faith cometh by hearing", all men will hear from someone else how to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins so they too can be receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
If we have a lack of the Apostles now, and the churches are corrupted, that is why baptism is believing in Christ risen, and as we seen in Acts 10, they heard about the rising of Christ, that is being saved, stop your empty dispute.
Somehow or another someone has convinced you that "belief" equates to "baptism".
That is erroneous.
There is no way you can speak in righteousness and instruct others that they are not saved without water. ( not without me stopping you all too easily, when I can answer.)
I don't need to, as Peter did it for us in 1 Peter 3:21.
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
What was the very next thing Peter did ?
He asked if anyone could deny them water baptism .
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Calling on the name of the Lord is done when a man is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Thank God for that.
Here is the answer, but it is only more for you to dispute.
David had a similar problem to what we have today, ( being on the run from Saul.) and we have the problem of the churches corrupted.
There is still an uncorrupted church.
God will show men where it is at if they want it.
David needed bread ( for survival.) and had to change the law for a moment, ( because of need) to take the shewbread, because there was no bread there. ( the saving for us/survival, is being baptised, if we cant have water, as nobody is worthy to baptise anyone any more, we have the Holy Baptism of the Holy Ghost.)
You are unsuccessfully using OT events to negate NT commands.
And who does the baptism is not relevant.
As unbeliever could do it.
Everything Peter spoke about baptism was right for then, the times have changed, now the faith is on the run, as David was from Saul.
It is still right for us today.
Only you want to change things.
Isn't that like the corrupt churches you have referred to ?
Change God's word for convenience ?
Judge righteous judgement, in this time evil men are crept in and we have to instead contend for the faith once delivered to the saints. and if we cannot be baptised by water, we are saved by the baptism of belief, of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
More "corrupt" exhortations that counter biblical instructions?
Find "baptism of belief" in the bible.
 
How did the eunuch know about and desire baptism in acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Did not Philip preach the fundamentalist’s tradition? “Accept Christ, spiritual baptism, faith alone?

If faith alone why does he need water baptism?

There is no lack of apostles
Matt 28:19-20 I (Christ) and with you (the apostles) unto the end of the world
Acts 1:8 my witnesses unto the ends of the earth

Requires successors
Act 1:15-26 apostolic succession

Thanks
 
Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Ministered by the apostolic church!

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
 
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