The woman would have to be a virgin to still have her hymen.
Jesus was the only One born of water and blood.
JLB
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Born Again?
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The woman would have to be a virgin to still have her hymen.
Jesus was the only One born of water and blood.
JLB
ezra
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in these 12 pages nothing has been accomplished but trying to discredit we must be born again i did GOOGLE SEARCH FOUND THIS EXPLANATION pardon caps --not shouting so somebodyyyyyy plz dont get in a tizzy lol
Born Again Christian – The Meaning
The term “born again Christian” is an often misunderstood. If we look to its original reference, we see that the meaning is not about a physical birth, but about receiving a spiritual renewal. Since the original sin in the garden by Adam (Genesis 3), all mankind is born in a corrupted state by inheritance. It is by that our soul needs to be reborn—made pure and righteous again—the way God created us to be. He provided the way for this to happen, but because God gave us free will, we have a choice to accept it or not.
this part down below
The term in the original Greek text is gennaṓ (born) meaning “to regenerate” and ańōthen (again) meaning “from above, anew.” Both meanings are consistent with the redeeming purpose. The label of Christian (Christianos) means “follower of Christ.” The born again Christian has accepted this supernatural transformation from sin to righteousness, evil to good. the above part does hold some merit
{ https://www.allaboutreligion.org/born-again-christian.htm } my source
as i said its just a quick source i do agree with it as it fits in with what i have researched .and i can agree with this i do not agree that born again is misleading
this is from got questions
The phrase "born again" literally means "born from above." Nicodemus had a real need. He needed a change of his heart—a spiritual transformation. New birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12, 13 indicates that being "born again" also carries the idea of "becoming children of God" through trust in the name of Jesus Christ. ... so john part on born from above holds water ..the born from above i never disagreed with...
im not going to argue/oops discuss
the born of water imo born from the word faith comes by hearing hearing come the word .of i am wrong im wrong . i have my opinion .through study it is what we form our belief on
Born Again Christian – The Meaning
The term “born again Christian” is an often misunderstood. If we look to its original reference, we see that the meaning is not about a physical birth, but about receiving a spiritual renewal. Since the original sin in the garden by Adam (Genesis 3), all mankind is born in a corrupted state by inheritance. It is by that our soul needs to be reborn—made pure and righteous again—the way God created us to be. He provided the way for this to happen, but because God gave us free will, we have a choice to accept it or not.
this part down below
The term in the original Greek text is gennaṓ (born) meaning “to regenerate” and ańōthen (again) meaning “from above, anew.” Both meanings are consistent with the redeeming purpose. The label of Christian (Christianos) means “follower of Christ.” The born again Christian has accepted this supernatural transformation from sin to righteousness, evil to good. the above part does hold some merit
{ https://www.allaboutreligion.org/born-again-christian.htm } my source
as i said its just a quick source i do agree with it as it fits in with what i have researched .and i can agree with this i do not agree that born again is misleading
this is from got questions
The phrase "born again" literally means "born from above." Nicodemus had a real need. He needed a change of his heart—a spiritual transformation. New birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12, 13 indicates that being "born again" also carries the idea of "becoming children of God" through trust in the name of Jesus Christ. ... so john part on born from above holds water ..the born from above i never disagreed with...
im not going to argue/oops discuss
the born of water imo born from the word faith comes by hearing hearing come the word .of i am wrong im wrong . i have my opinion .through study it is what we form our belief on
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JohnDB
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I understand that this is the most common understanding.
I also believe that when someone believes in Christ they are a new creation, the old is gone the new has come.
But anothen means "above". Just like the Aramaic poetry said in the Syriac manuscripts. (The literal means "head" which is a euphemism for "up".)
This passage from the Gospel of John is not about the regenerative work of the Holy Spirit but a conversation about being "Called" and "Chosen"...and what that really means.
We know from history what being chosen meant for Nicodemus. It wasn't a huge role beyond his ability and supernatural but it still was an important role.
I strive for accuracy in understanding the scriptures given to us. That's all. Not discrediting the notion of becoming a new creation in Christ. In fact I'm very much a proponent of this.
ezra
Member
you keep on striving and i will do the same as per the Aramaic poetry said in the Syriac manuscripts. you can have it once again all this is opinions .. nobody has a copy of the original manuscripts .
i have a lady friend swears up and down saved to the uttermost loves jesus ..yet discredits the Bible as it is in her words written by man . i will keep on teaching/preaching born again of the spirit the spiritual birth brings about change
. if not careful it will soon sound like doctors or lawyers using big fancy words .that flies over our head... .
i use the kiss method keep it simple stupid -->re:> me . last Sunday night i explained b u s y being under Satan yoke.. 1.good busy being about our fathers business .taking time out for him.
2. preoccupied with the worlds affairs our every day life.. we soon become like the church at Ephesus. i had one lady look at me funny.then i brought it out.. to a understanding
ezra
Member
an error as you see it .. so this makes it wrong and we should jump on your band wagon? i stick with what i know
JohnDB
Member
It's not an evil concept (as I have repeated several times) it's repeated in several places in scriptures.
But there's something different taught in this section than what is commonly believed. There's a reason John told it to us. And I seen the huge flaw in the logic of what is commonly believed.
So I studied it more and more. And finally came to the conclusions I have presented as well as the proofs/quotations of what I have studied so people could see that it isn't something I just invented.
It's got real good hard evidence to support these conclusions.
I realize that it isn't common knowledge. But it is true.
ezra
Member
lets clear the air once in for all. i dont mind disagreeing i never said it was evil concept or even false doctrine . not one time did i even suggest that so i ask that you not imply i did thank you.. come up with something of j.w Mormons out of this world teaching..i will call it evil/false.if it was evil you would be of the devil and i dont think that of you...i hope this clears the air. i was in a game of spades the other night us winning was about same odds of a one legged man at dance contest..i went nil pull 0 tricks.. i set my pard called me a rookie .. so i called her a idiot -- i do have buttons that can be pushed
JohnDB
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Nothing untowards with you at all.
I just wanted to explain it. It's new stuff for many and it goes against 500+ years of tradition.
You want to keep the status quo... perfectly reasonable and respectable.
Fine with me.
Can you explain why Nicodemus asked how he could go back into his mothers womb, if Jesus didn’t say “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
JLB
JohnDB
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Can you point out which verse in John 3 where Jesus called Nicodemus a member of a group of Israeli hero’s that had their births foretold?
Nicodemus plainly asked Jesus -
Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
The reason he asked about entering a second time into his mother’s womb is Jesus stated he must be “born again”
JLB
So today when we are witnessing we really need to tell people that they need to be a member of a group of Israeli hero’s that had their births foretold, instead of you must be born again?
How does that work with Gentile unbelievers?
JLB