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CAN A REFORMED BELIEVER FALL AWAY FROM FAITH?

jasonc said:
I guess praying God breaking a sinners heart unto salvation is most Calvinist .I was doing that before I went to a reformed church.


I certainly didn't want Jesus .Jesus let me sin and dig a hole and destroy my life and then in desperation because of the mess he allowed me to make of myself listened because I was being led to repentance as I heard the gospel s few times before I did that
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all that is free will while the spirit draws
 
wondering said:
I have to sign off.
And it's a big job...
but would I love to see scripture for the above beliefs.

For instance, where does the NT state that we are born so totally depraved that we are UNABLE to choose to be saved?

To keep to the topic of this thread...
Where does the NT state that we will be eternally saved, forever, no matter what?
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For instance, where does the NT state that we are born so totally depraved that we are UNABLE to choose to be saved?
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There are many.....

No One Is Righteous
Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 as it is written, “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
Rom 3:12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME WORTHLESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”
Rom 3:13 “THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,” “THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”;
Rom 3:14 “WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”;
Rom 3:15 “THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
Rom 3:17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.”
Rom 3:18 “THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”

Where does the NT state that we will be eternally saved, forever, no matter what?
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One of many.....

Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Joh 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish—ever; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
 
electedbyhim said:
That's just your pride.
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easy brother i know the life i lived all though you have parts of it right pride kept me from being saved. even though the Spirit was drawing . i didnt like the evangelist didnt really care about church. see before i went to the altar .the still small voice spoke to me saying its NOW or never. i chose the now .the sprit breathed new life into me
 
jerry63935 said:
easy brother i know the life i lived all though you have parts of it right pride kept me from being saved. even though the Spirit was drawing . i didnt like the evangelist didnt really care about church. see before i went to the altar .the still small voice spoke to me saying its NOW or never. i chose the now .the sprit breathed new life into me
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Yes, He gave you the faith to believe and and understand, God's Spirit quickened you.

Praise God.
 
electedbyhim said:
Yes, He gave you the faith to believe and and understand, God's Spirit quickened you.

Praise God
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thats your story say it how you want . here is something to chew on IF God choses us to salvation . then there is no need of the altar call or the preaching we just wait and see if we get picked to get saved
 
How does one interpret these verses if you chose salvation.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
 
electedbyhim said:
How does one interpret these verses if you chose salvation.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
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It's not that man's will is absent in justification. It's just that man's will is not what solicits justification. God's forgiveness does. The privilege to be adopted as sons of God is not seized as a matter of a man's will. It is granted as a matter of God's mercy and grace. And we willingly receive it as he enables us to receive it.
 
electedbyhim said:
May I ask why it is so important that you chose to be saved, why not give the Lord all the glory and the credit?
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he gets it all i have nothing to boast of .but that he save a no good person like me. i simply accepted the words God save me was what i said . it not complicated
 
wondering said:
This teaching is reformed in theology and is also known as Calvinism.
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I find it extremely annoying that I have to defend the appropriateness the sources of my beliefs before you guys to get your approval. Either accept what I post or reject them on face value. I never question your right to form
your own conclusions using whatever sources you may choose. I may not agree, but nevertheless, it is your right to do so.
Anyway, I will say this: that I only read from and quote the Bible -- it is my sole spiritual authority. Have you ever observed me reference anything besides the Bible? What do you think that means? It is possible for different people to read the Bible and come to similar conclusions based upon scripture. Given that the Bible was written by God and that it can only contain only one overriding, fundamental principle, I would find it amazing should that not happen.
 
wondering said:
Now, maybe you don't know Calvin, but maybe, since you preach what he taught,
you should spend some time trying to get to know him.

He wrote a 4 volume set called The Institutes of the Christian Religion.
Read it.
I think, if you don't know his writings, you will come away pretty dismayed at the God you
are describing to others.

A God no one believes in except the reformed.
Unloving, Unmerciful and Unjust.

God is Loving, Merciful and Just.
This is the God of the bible.

He bestowed us with free will to love Him or not love Him.
If love is not free, it is worthless.
God wants our love ONLY if it is free.
Not if He has to choose for us to love Him or not.
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The remainder of your post, wondering, is unworthy of a reply
 
electedbyhim said:
We do not know who God has elected for salvation.
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And you can never know. Because in Calvinism the sign that you are elected is that you endure all the way to the end. So you can never know until the end if you are of the elect. Meanwhile, in non-Calvinistic theology, you are saved right now, this very moment if you are believing. And you know if you are believing by if you have the changed/changing life that born again, believing people have.
 
electedbyhim said:
Most people who believe that they chose to be saved is based solely in pride. I just do not understand this.
If anyone actually did a study on Theology Proper, specifically the sovereignty and providence of God, from the Bible they would see that they had no part in salvation. This doctrine is not only humbling but comforting.

Monergism vs. Synergism
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We cannot save ourselves.
There is only one Saviour. He was there in the beginning. He is with us now in spirit, and He paid the death penalty for all those who, in faith believe in Him, wretched sinners that we are, on Calvery's cross.
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