Confronting the doctrine of sinless perfection with 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 and Colossians 3:5-10

[Hopeful 2]

You know not what is right or wrong, you've been living in your own fantasy for too long, your ears are deaf to sound teaching.

As I have as acute a conscience as any one else, I must disagree.

Because you know not what sin is and who God is, you're sinning without awareness. Are you really obedient to God? Or to yourself?

Sinning without awareness violates James 1:14-15.

Only your friends and family will flee from you if you keep going like this.

My friends and family are not tempting me.
It is the devil who will flee from YOU, if you resist him.

There won't be a second life if you don't know Jesus and repent your sins in the first life.

Done, years ago.
Why has my repentance from sin lasted many years but your doesn't ?

I've never defended sin, friend,

Better re-check that thought.
All you do is defend sin.

I've been warning you about sin. You'd be lying to yourself if you believe you never make any mistake, never fall into any temptation, never cave in to any pressure. Ignoring and denying them don't make them go away.

You warn me about sin, then say I can't stop sinning. ???
That is some of the most double-minded stuff I have ever heard !

 

[Consecrated Life]

This is a new thread to continue the discussion I have about the doctrine of sinless perfection.....

You will never meet a person eyeball to eyeball claiming to never sin.
Never!
The reason being they are mythical creations that can never come forth to make such a claim in daylight where they can be identified and be confronted by contrary complications of their own reality .
Nowhere but the shadowy make believe internet world can they plant their flag of phoniness.
The nameless anonymity of the internet being the paramount foundation for any claim of sinlessness to these mythical characters

Psa 42:5
Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You will never meet a person eyeball to eyeball claiming to never sin.
Never!
The reason being they are mythical creations that can never come forth to make such a claim in daylight where they can be identified and be confronted by contrary complications of their own reality .
Nowhere but the shadowy make believe internet world can they plant their flag of phoniness.
The nameless anonymity of the internet being the paramount foundation for any claim of sinlessness to these mythical characters

Psa 42:5
Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance.

I think, rather, that the paramount foundation for any claim of perfect obedience to God is rebirth from God's seed !
That seed cannot bring forth liars, adulterers, murderers, or thieves.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

As I have as acute a conscience as any one else, I must disagree.

No you don't. You don't even care.

Sinning without awareness violates James 1:14-15.

Sinning is sinning, no excuses.

My friends and family are not tempting me.
It is the devil who will flee from YOU, if you resist him.

I don't believe they could put up with your self piety.

Done, years ago.
Why has my repentance from sin lasted many years but your doesn't ?

You've deserted Jesus as you assume you're good on your own, I still need his presence every day in my life, to replenish the oil burning in my temple.

Better re-check that thought.
All you do is defend sin.

All you do is deny sin and defend pride.

You warn me about sin, then say I can't stop sinning. ???
That is some of the most double-minded stuff I have ever heard !

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6:11-12)

You think this battle is over? You've done fighting? Those rulers of darkness don't exist anymore? Then you're already lost, your hubris is your downfall.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No you don't. You don't even care.

Wrong.
If I didn't care I wouldn't answer your false claims.

Sinning is sinning, no excuses.

True, but if the elements listed in James 1:14-15 are not present, it isn't a sin.

I don't believe they could put up with your self piety.

It is the piety, (nice word !), inherent in those reborn of God's seed.
Don't you have it too ?

You've deserted Jesus as you assume you're good on your own, I still need his presence every day in my life, to replenish the oil burning in my temple.

As I will never again "be on my own", your false claim is again moot.

All you do is deny sin and defend pride.

I teach that man doesn't have to sin anymore.
Thanks be to God and His enabling gifts !
Why you see that as denying sin is beyond me.

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6:11-12)

One of the pieces of the armor is the breast plate of righteousness.
The unrighteous are not wearing that.

You think this battle is over? You've done fighting? Those rulers of darkness don't exist anymore? Then you're already lost, your hubris is your downfall.

The battle won't end until Jesus returns to wreak vengeance on the wicked.
My little "fire base" is under constant attack by the defenders of sin, but God provides the "aircover" to keep me from being over-run.
Thanks be to God !

 

[Consecrated Life]

I think, rather, that the paramount foundation for any claim of perfect obedience to God is rebirth from God's seed !
That seed cannot bring forth liars, adulterers, murderers, or thieves.

I know that nobody who hides in the dark shadows of the internet to anonymously make claims of their sinless nature to people who they have never met & who have no idea who they are, or how they conduct themselves daily is acting as Christ did.


Do you believe Jesus posed this question to people who had just met Him & had no idea who He was , or did He ask it of people who knew His Claim of Lord & had been watching every move he made , every Word He spoke for some time ?
Jhn 8:46
Which of you convinceth me of sin?

 

[Hopeful 2]

I know that nobody who hides in the dark shadows of the internet to anonymously make claims of their sinless nature to people who they have never met & who have no idea who they are, or how they conduct themselves daily is acting as Christ did.

Do you think people who experienced what Jesus taught or did ever told others about the results of Jesus' ministry ?
That is all I am doing.

Do you believe Jesus posed this question to people who had just met Him & had no idea who He was , or did He ask it of people who knew His Claim of Lord & had been watching every move he made , every Word He spoke for some time ?
Jhn 8:46
Which of you convinceth me of sin?

He was addressing the people whom He had just told could be free from sin..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:32-34)
I am proof of the truth of His claim.
You can be too.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Wrong.
If I didn't care I wouldn't answer your false claims.

Says you who claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect."

True, but if the elements listed in James 1:14-15 are not present, it isn't a sin.

As long as you're still a mortal being, not a ghost, and your "carrying case" is subject to death, the elements therein are present.

It is the piety, (nice word !), inherent in those reborn of God's seed.
Don't you have it too ?

No, that's the sin of pride that makes you a snob that irritates everybody else. That's the defining character of the Pharisees and scribes whom Jesus confronted and criticized more than anybody else.

As I will never again "be on my own", your false claim is again moot.

How so? You claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect", you are your own god.

I teach that man doesn't have to sin anymore.
Thanks be to God and His enabling gifts !
Why you see that as denying sin is beyond me.

Then you're telling me you never make any mistake, never fall into any temptation, never cave in to any pressure, you're high and mighty as God.

One of the pieces of the armor is the breast plate of righteousness.
The unrighteous are not wearing that.

Your self righteousness, not God's righteousness.

The battle won't end until Jesus returns to wreak vengeance on the wicked.
My little "fire base" is under constant attack by the defenders of sin, but God provides the "aircover" to keep me from being over-run.
Thanks be to God !

Why not? Aren't you "sinlessly perfect"? Why do you have to fight? Why are others' sins still bother you? Haven't you repeatedly hammered me with James 4:7, that the devils will flee from you? Why are they still there?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Says you who claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect."

Yes, indeed.
If I was still a sinner, I wouldn't have received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
But I did receive God's marvelous gift.

As long as you're still a mortal being, not a ghost, and your "carrying case" is subject to death, the elements therein are present.

The vessel is temporary.
I am surprised you value it so much.

No, that's the sin of pride that makes you a snob that irritates everybody else. That's the defining character of the Pharisees and scribes whom Jesus confronted and criticized more than anybody else.

Do you really think that God's seed can bring forth liars or thieves ?
I know it can't.

How so? You claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect", you are your own god.

I can't be alone, because I am in Christ and He is in me.
I invite you to share in that joy.

Then you're telling me you never make any mistake,

My check book balance would show I make mistakes.
But mistakes are not sin.

never fall into any temptation,

Never !

never cave in to any pressure,

No pressure can be brought to me that would cause me to abandon the love of God.

you're high and mighty as God.

Not even.
Jesus said..."It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?" (Matt 10:25)
Are you not a disciple of Jesus Christ ?

Your self righteousness, not God's righteousness.

Our opinions differ.

Why not? Aren't you "sinlessly perfect"? Why do you have to fight?

I fight everyday to remain where the Lord has seen fit to put me.
Being a real Christian isn't cake-walk.

Why are others' sins still bother you?

They bother me because I see no value in sinning.
Just loss.

Haven't you repeatedly hammered me with James 4:7, that the devils will flee from you? Why are they still there?

The devil doesn't give up on trying to get me to forsake my God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Or His righteousness inherent in rebirth from Godly seed.
You say you are a Christian, and are trying to do the same thing.
Does that make you wonder at all ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, indeed.
If I was still a sinner, I wouldn't have received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
But I did receive God's marvelous gift.

No you didn't. There's no humility in you. You've been boasting of yourself and not our lord.

The vessel is temporary.
I am surprised you value it so much.

For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. (Eph. 5:29)

Do you really think that God's seed can bring forth liars or thieves ?
I know it can't.

Who says the pharisees and scribes were liars and thieves? They were hypocrites and narcissists, and you're conforming to their image.

I can't be alone, because I am in Christ and He is in me.
I invite you to share in that joy.

No you're not, as long as you believe you claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect."

My check book balance would show I make mistakes.
But mistakes are not sin.

Who are you to define what's sin and what's not? Only the word of God does, specifically the Torah.

Never !

No pressure can be brought to me that would cause me to abandon the love of God.

You're deceiving yourself. You've already abandoned the love of God when you claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect."

Not even.
Jesus said..."It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?" (Matt 10:25)
Are you not a disciple of Jesus Christ ?

No servant is greater than his master, Jn.15:20.
A true disciple of Jesus Christ would never claim himself as "sinlessly perfect," for only Jesus is sinlessly perfect.

Our opinions differ.

Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Matt. 23:12)

I fight everyday to remain where the Lord has seen fit to put me.
Being a real Christian isn't cake-walk.

Why not? Aren't you "sinlessly perfect"?

They bother me because I see no value in sinning.
Just loss.

Neither do I, I take no joy in your sin of pride.

The devil doesn't give up on trying to get me to forsake my God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Or His righteousness inherent in rebirth from Godly seed.
You say you are a Christian, and are trying to do the same thing.
Does that make you wonder at all ?

I wonder at the depth of your delusion and your lack of self-consciousness, that you could believe you're "sinlessly perfect" as the Lord himself.

 

[Consecrated Life]

He was addressing the people whom He had just told could be free from sin..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:

Why are you so afraid to answer such a simple question regarding the Lord's question ?
Jesus answered people boldly and without your fear in regard to His own sinlessness.
He did not hide & retreat to the anonymity of the darkness as you do to make His claim.
See if you can at least move one little toe out of hiding in the dark and answer the question as Jesus answered people. boldly , in the brightness of day ,

Do you believe Jesus posed this question to people who had just met Him & had no idea who He was , or did He ask it of people who knew His Claim of Lord & had been watching every move he made , every Word He spoke for some time ?

Jhn 8:46
Which of you convinceth me of sin?

 

[Hopeful 2]

No you didn't. There's no humility in you. You've been boasting of yourself and not our lord.

You can only hope for the Spirit I was given after a true repentance from sin.

For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. (Eph. 5:29)

Jesus said..."If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

Who says the pharisees and scribes were liars and thieves? They were hypocrites and narcissists, and you're conforming to their image.

Did I say they were ?

No you're not, as long as you believe you claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect."

Does your sect really devalue obedience to God ?

Who are you to define what's sin and what's not? Only the word of God does, specifically the Torah.

I let John's word guide me in that.
He wrote..."All unrighteousness is sin: " (1 John 5:17)
Do you disagree with him ?

You're deceiving yourself. You've already abandoned the love of God when you claim yourself as "sinlessly perfect."

It seems odd to me that someone who abhors righteousness as much as you seem to, is going to teach me righteousness.

No servant is greater than his master, Jn.15:20.

Agreed.
I wrote..."It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?" (Matt 10:25)
Are you not a disciple of Jesus Christ ?

A true disciple of Jesus Christ would never claim himself as "sinlessly perfect," for only Jesus is sinlessly perfect.

It is written..."We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 John 5:18)
You are really saying that you are not born of God.
A real repentance form sin would change that.

Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Matt. 23:12)

Do you think any sinner has humbled himself to God ?

Why not? Aren't you "sinlessly perfect"?

I am indeed obedient to God, and I will continue to do all I can, by the grace of God, to remain this way.
He has the grace to make, and keep you, obedient too !

Neither do I, I take no joy in your sin of pride.

What about your own sins ?
Won't you repent of those ?

I wonder at the depth of your delusion and your lack of self-consciousness, that you could believe you're "sinlessly perfect" as the Lord himself.

Quit wondering.
I know God !
It is written..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:3-6)

I invite you to join me in the holiness of God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Why are you so afraid to answer such a simple question regarding the Lord's question ?

I answered your question, what more do you want ?

Jesus answered people boldly and without your fear in regard to His own sinlessness.

Yep.

He did not hide & retreat to the anonymity of the darkness as you do to make His claim.

What do you mean by that ?
Here is my statement concerning myself...
I heard the gospel and fully committed myself to its presence in my life.
That entails perfect obedience to God.
Thankfully, by His grace, He has provided all I need to continue walking in the light-God.
Gifts like repentance from sin...permanently.
The gift of the Holy Ghost, which Peter said God would give the repentant.
Gifts like pastors and deacons to help me grow in grace and knowledge.
Gifts like 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
And hundreds of other things too !

I invite you to know the Lord more fully.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I answered your question, what more do you want

The question I asked you by definition requires an affirmative or negative response.
You supplied neither .
Here it is again pared down slightly to make a simple yes or no sufficient .


Do you believe Jesus posed this question , John 8:46, to people who had just met Him & had no idea who He was ?


John 8:46
Which of you convinceth me of sin?

 

[Hopeful 2]

The question I asked you by definition requires an affirmative or negative response.
You supplied neither .
Here it is again pared down slightly to make a simple yes or no sufficient .


Do you believe Jesus posed this question , John 8:46, to people who had just met Him & had no idea who He was ?


John 8:46
Which of you convinceth me of sin?

They may have know Him for a long time, but they certainly didn't know who He was.
So my answer to the questions are NO, and YES.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You can only hope for the Spirit I was given after a true repentance from sin.

True repentance from sin would lead to true humility, which I don't see any in you.

Jesus said..."If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

Honor your mother and father. (Ex. 20:12, Eph. 6:2)
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her. (Eph. 5:25)
This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. (Jn. 15:12)

Scripture does not contradict itself, you do.

Did I say they were ?

Ask yourself.

Does your sect really devalue obedience to God ?

My sect is the Way that values THE way, THE truth and THE life and devalues each one's own way.

I let John's word guide me in that.
He wrote..."All unrighteousness is sin: " (1 John 5:17)
Do you disagree with him ?

"None is righteous, no, not one." (Rom. 3:10)

Scripture does not contradict itself, you do.

It seems odd to me that someone who abhors righteousness as much as you seem to, is going to teach me righteousness.

I only abhor SELF righteousness, which you demonstrate vividly and perfectly.

Are you not a disciple of Jesus Christ ?

Are you? "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

It is written..."We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 John 5:18)
You are really saying that you are not born of God.
A real repentance form sin would change that.

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 5:23)
Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. (1 Cor. 15:36)

For all who are truly born of God, their eternal life is the NEXT life starts with the resurrection. As long as you're still in your mortal "carrying case", you're subject to death, and you're still a sinner. Unless you can prove that your "carrying case" can last forever without ever tasting death, you're deceiving yourself.

Do you think any sinner has humbled himself to God ?

You surely haven't. Probably never will.

I am indeed obedient to God, and I will continue to do all I can, by the grace of God, to remain this way.

You're only obedient to your own ego, you're self absorbed and obnoxious, and you surely remain that way.

What about your own sins ?
Won't you repent of those ?

Have you repented your sin of pride? "He must increase, but I must decrease." (Jn. 3:30)

Quit wondering.
I know God !

No you don't.

 

[Hopeful 2]

True repentance from sin would lead to true humility,

Yes, humility towards God.

Honor your mother and father. (Ex. 20:12, Eph. 6:2)
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her. (Eph. 5:25)
This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. (Jn. 15:12)

Amen.

Ask yourself.

OK...NO, I didn't say it.

My sect is the Way that values THE way, THE truth and THE life and devalues each one's own way.

Would that "truth" be the same truth Jesus said could free us from committing sin ? (John 8:32-34)

"None is righteous, no, not one." (Rom. 3:10)

True, when originally written in the OT.
But Jesus was righteous, so we know that verse doesn't apply to those who walk as Jesus walked.

I only abhor SELF righteousness, which you demonstrate vividly and perfectly.

As it is you who wants to teach me about righteousness, what have you got that I don't ?

Are you?

Answer my question, please.

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

Yep, no sinner will be granted eternal life.

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 5:23)
Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. (1 Cor. 15:36)

Thank God we can suffer our death for our past sins with Christ at our "immersion" into Him and His death and burial. (Rom 6:3)
"Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after." (1 Tim 5:24)

For all who are truly born of God, their eternal life is the NEXT life starts with the resurrection.

It starts with our being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), at our baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our past sins.

As long as you're still in your mortal "carrying case", you're subject to death,

The vessel may be subject to death, but "I" am not.

and you're still a sinner.

If I am still sinning, my repentance of sin was a lie to God.
But it was true !

Unless you can prove that your "carrying case" can last forever without ever tasting death, you're deceiving yourself.

"I" am not my vessel.

You surely haven't. Probably never will.
You're only obedient to your own ego, you're self absorbed and obnoxious, and you surely remain that way.
Have you repented your sin of pride? "He must increase, but I must decrease." (Jn. 3:30)
No you don't.

As the rest of your post is just your opinion, I will let it pass.

"The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul." (Pro 16:17)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, humility towards God.

Which you have none.

OK...NO, I didn't say it.

I mentioned Pharisees and scribes, you compared them with thieves and liars.

Would that "truth" be the same truth Jesus said could free us from committing sin ? (John 8:32-34)

Committing sin? You denied original sin, how could we be committing sin if sin doesn't exist?

True, when originally written in the OT.
But Jesus was righteous, so we know that verse doesn't apply to those who walk as Jesus walked.

Those who walk as Jesus walked walk in HIS righteousness, not their own. You're walking in your own righteousness.

As it is you who wants to teach me about righteousness, what have you got that I don't ?

Awareness of my need for HIS righteousness, not my own.

Answer my question, please.

A true disciple of Jesus would never claim himself as "sinlessly perfect" like you do.

Yep, no sinner will be granted eternal life.

Then repent and humble yourself, lest you drown in your own reflection like Narcissus.

Thank God we can suffer our death for our past sins with Christ at our "immersion" into Him and His death and burial.

But you're still breathing, aren't you?

It starts with our being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), at our baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our past sins.

Then so many brothers and sisters who were baptized have gone astray? Why do you keep boasting of yourself instead of Jesus?

The vessel may be subject to death, but "I" am not.

"I" am not my vessel.

Then you're preaching the heresy of dualistic gnosticism, that body and soul are separate, you're denying Lord's Jesus's dual nature of God and man.

If I am still sinning, my repentance of sin was a lie to God.
But it was true !

Prove it. Show me where is your name written in the Book of Life.

As the rest of your post is just your opinion, I will let it pass.

Says you who consistently boasting of your "sinless perfection."

 

[Hopeful 2]

Which you have none.

Our opinions differ.

I mentioned Pharisees and scribes, you compared them with thieves and liars.

My comment had nothing at all to do with Pharisees or scribes.
Here is my question again..."Do you really think that God's seed can bring forth liars or thieves ?
I know it can't."

Committing sin? You denied original sin, how could we be committing sin if sin doesn't exist?

"Original" sin, the catholic dogma, has nothing to do with other, later sins.

Those who walk as Jesus walked walk in HIS righteousness, not their own. You're walking in your own righteousness.

Our opinions differ.
It is written..."For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." (Gal 3:27)
How can one "put on Christ" and not be righteous ?

Awareness of my need for HIS righteousness, not my own.

If you still need Christ's righteousness, put Him on ! (Gal 3:27)

A true disciple of Jesus would never claim himself as "sinlessly perfect" like you do.

Anyone who is not as righteous as Jesus Christ, is not His disciple.

Then repent and humble yourself, lest you drown in your own reflection like Narcissus.

I don't see that in my bible ?
My repentance, from sin, has made me a non-sinner.
More sin would just make my prior repentances a lie to God.

But you're still breathing, aren't you?

The new creature, reborn of God's seed is still breathing.

Then so many brothers and sisters who were baptized have gone astray?

If there repentance form sin had been real, they would be my brothers as sisters.
Their falling away illustrated that not only had they not repented, but also had not been reborn of God's seed.

Then you're preaching the heresy of dualistic gnosticism, that body and soul are separate, you're denying Lord's Jesus's dual nature of God and man.

Body and soul are separate.
Have you never read Heb 4:12 ?
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
The soul and spirit are separate from the joints and marrow.

Prove it. Show me where is your name written in the Book of Life.

That won't be determined until the day of judgement.

Says you who consistently boasting of your "sinless perfection."

I'll let that pass too.
And I forgive you.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Our opinions differ.

That's your boast and my observation.

My comment had nothing at all to do with Pharisees or scribes.
Here is my question again..."Do you really think that God's seed can bring forth liars or thieves ?
I know it can't."

Then why did you reply to mine?

"Original" sin, the catholic dogma, has nothing to do with other, later sins.

That's biblical truth and sound teaching which you reject for a heresy.

Our opinions differ.

Again, your boast and my observation.

How can one "put on Christ" and not be righteous ?

By putting on your own garment of filthy rag, which you mistake for the white robe of righteousness until you are thrown out of the marriage supper of the Lamb.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.”Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ (Matt. 22:11-13)

If you still need Christ's righteousness, put Him on ! (Gal 3:27)

If you still need Christ's righteousness, take off your self righteousness! (Titus 3:5)

Anyone who is not as righteous as Jesus Christ, is not His disciple.

Then you're condemning yourself.

I don't see that in my bible ?
My repentance, from sin, has made me a non-sinner.
More sin would just make my prior repentances a lie to God.

Then stop boasting like the Pharisee in Lk. 18:9-14. You don't see that in your bible because you're blinded by your pride.

The new creature, reborn of God's seed is still breathing.

You are contradicting Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 15:36, new creature cannot be reborn until the old one dies.

If there repentance form sin had been real, they would be my brothers as sisters.
Their falling away illustrated that not only had they not repented, but also had not been reborn of God's seed.

But have they not immersed in Christ's death and burial? Supposedly they cannot sin, and yet they still do, and more aggreviously and brazenly than pagans.

Body and soul are separate.
Have you never read Heb 4:12 ?

Have you not read Jn. 10:30? "I and my father are ONE." Where's the separation there?

That won't be determined until the day of judgement.

Why not? You've been consistenting behaving like that Pharisee in Lk. 18:9-14, and he won't be justified.

I'll let that pass too.
And I forgive you.

And so do I forgive your accusations.