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Did God Chose you or did you chose God

I AM thy exceeding and great reward !

The LORD has literally bankrupt heaven to save His creatures whom He loves.. because He has given us His only begotten and beloved Son.. even unto the death on that forsaken cross for our sins..

He has given us the SPIRIT of His Son whereby we can now cry Abba Father unto Him..

And yet that's seemingly not enough for some.. they want their old man to be justified as well..

Sorry, I could sing you all a sweet lullaby although that's not the gospel of His Son..
 
Originally posted by Eventide,

Does BELIEVING God make you think that He chose YOU when He flat out states that if you shall seek to save YOUR LIFE that you shall lose it.. and that if ANY MAN shall come after Him, let him DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross, and follow HIM..

How in the world does that make you think that God is choosing YOU and not the Lord Jesus Christ ?
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Who ever said I thought that "I" was one of the chosen? Let's leave ME out of it, and just discuss what the Scriptures say on the matter.

Originally posted by Eventide,

Then, perhaps you can explain Romans 5 and specifically Romans 5:18 ..because evidently many here don't accept that simple biblical truth.
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Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

Why do you think I posted 1 Corinthians 15:22-23? Did you even read what I posted?


1 Corinthians 15:22-23 "For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ ALL SHALL BE MADE ALIVE. But EACH ONE IN HIS OWN ORDER: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming."

Why do you disagree with me on something I am in total agreement with you? I think the confusion comes from the "TITLE OF THE OP" It gives the impression that it is "YOU OR I" as individuals that either are chosen or do the choosing themselves.

I think this topic would be better phrased: "IS IT MAN WHO DOES THE CHOOSING, OR IS IT GOD WHO DOES THE CHOOSING"

That would clear up some of the confusion some may be having.
 
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Eventide said:
It truly is the pride of men to be led to think that God chose them (even unconditionally for some) in light of these simple biblical truths.
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Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
 
And not only do some here believe that they existed in heaven before they were born (as Christ did).. they also might think that they're the Apostle to the GENTILES...

It's almost unbelievable.. but not much surprises me anymore :)
 
Originally posted by Eventide,

And yet that's seemingly not enough for some.. they want their old man to be justified as well..

Sorry, I could sing you all a sweet lullaby although that's not the gospel of His Son.
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This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything I posted. ZERO. Hopefully it is not referring to something I posted, but someone else. My post had to do with God's sovereignty, period. Nothing else. I apologize, but I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to or talking about here.
 
Osgiliath said:
Who ever said I thought that "I" was one of the chosen? Let's leave ME out of it, and just discuss what the Scriptures say on the matter.
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Then by all means, we agree :) Of course God is doing the choosing.. the sealing.. the appointing etc.. but He is most certainly not choosing us.. and again, He hath from the beginning chosen us to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and BELIEF of the truth.
 
Eventide said:
And not only do some here believe that they existed in heaven before they were born (as Christ did).. they also might think that they're the Apostle to the GENTILES...

It's almost unbelievable.. but not much surprises me anymore :)
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You heard what was stated clearly.

God is our Father.

The Life we have is from God and God Alone.

That LIFE, His Life was always 'in Him.'

It is that 'LIFE' of Him that is dispensed and was ever IN HIM to dispense.

Your 'eternal LIFE' is not something conjured up on your own.

Your LIFE is from YOUR GOD, who has ALWAYS had same.

Did you as the 'flesh man' ET exist in heaven?

No.

It's a simple observation of fact. The life we have was always both 'from Him' and 'in Him' from before the world began.

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Eventide said:
And I'm sure Romans 5:18 is just some fairy tale to many here.. lol...

Enjoy..
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The statement of fact therein will not change via dissections of any man nor is it required NOR is it 'allowed.'


therefore:

It is much more interesting to engage why it is not seen or understood.

Which I happen to enjoy very much, as you know.

s
 
That's right.. the eternal living and powerful word of God means absolutely nothing to those who exalt themselves to the heavens along with God's only begotten Son.
 
Eventide said:
And I'm sure Romans 5:18 is just some fairy tale to many here.. lol...

Enjoy..
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The statement of fact therein will not change via dissections of any man nor is it required NOR is it 'allowed.'

therefore:

It is much more interesting to engage why it is not seen or understood.

Which I happen to enjoy very much, as you know.

It may even seem that your intent is exactly that.

s
 
Originally posted by Eventide,

And I'm sure Romans 5:18 is just some fairy tale to many here.. lol...

Enjoy..
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Oh, I get it now. I apologize, I thought you were referring to my post, since yours was posted right after mine. You are referring to, and discussing what is known as "The Law Of Circularity" - which says that man was originally a spiritual being in Heaven with God before he fell.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had many discussions going on at once. :sorry
 
Eventide said:
That's right.. the eternal living and powerful word of God means absolutely nothing to those who exalt themselves to the heavens along with God's only begotten Son.
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You might also learn to enjoy a fine feature of Gods Living Words, which is to torture darkness.

s
 
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

For His grace is unto all and upon all who believe..
 
And my apologies Os... At first glance it appeared that you were suggesting that God chose YOU.. rather than God choosing you IN CHRIST.

My bad.. I'm at work and trying to do three things at once.. :)
 
Originally posted by Eventide,

And my apologies Os... At first glance it appeared that you were suggesting that God chose YOU.. rather than God choosing you IN CHRIST
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IN CHRIST..... of course. :amen

Ephesians 1:4 "just as He chose us IN HIM before the foundation of the world"

Galatians 2:16 "We are justified by the faith of Christ."
 
Originally posted by elijah23,

In my case, the Lord first made his presence known to me, not the other way around.
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That was my case as well. Believe me, I had no intention of believing in God. I was well on my way to getting my degree in astrophysics, and the idea of God being a reality was nonsense to me. That all changed in one night, as I was by myself studying for an exam.

PS - My folks thought I went off the deep end (they are atheist/agnostic), and within a week my longtime girlfriend dumped me. She said; "The guy I met was a cool jazz guitarist who played in a band, and now all he wants to do is read the Bible and talk about God all day." I told her that God's pull was too great for me to stop what I was doing. So we pleasantly parted ways after two years. Honest to God, true story to the letter.
 
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According to scripture that is ALWAYS the case...

That's what the Holy Spirit was sent to do.. testify of Christ with respect to our sin, His righteousness, and how that is for ever settled in heaven.. His judgment.

Testimonies are always awesome to share.. I was saved (sealed) about the same time Os.. 1985.. and baptized in a small pond in Germany, in the middle of winter.

It wasn't until quite some time later that I saw how Paul speaks of these things and how we actually are saved..

The living word of God is certainly miraculous to say the least.. and His conviction of these things is as real as if He's standing right in front of you.. perhaps that's a reason why men are without excuse.. when they're confronted with that true light.. even the one who lighteth every man that comes into the world.
 
It's like getting stopped in your tracks on your way to Damascus by that great light, which was brighter than the noonday sun.. :)
 
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