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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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I didn't ask you where you thought heaven was, I asked you - Based on this scripture, does God dwell in a temple in heaven?
5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened. 6 And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever. 8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed. Revelation 15:5-8
Yes or No.
JLB
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Well, I thought the Scripture I posted answered that question. I apologize for not being clear.
Knowing that Heaven is not a geographical location, but is a spiritual realm which exists in the hearts and minds of God's people, is a necessary step to understanding the Temple Paul spoke of (Paul only spoke of ONE Temple - "the Temple, which YE ARE.")
Hebrews 9:23 "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these [the blood of bulls and goats]; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."
It follows that if Christ has promised to always be with us, and he is also with God the Father on His throne, and God dwells in the heavens, then the heavens are in us where God is making His tabernacle (Temple) with men. God is not limited to a geographical location. He doesn't need a physical temple to live in. God does not dwell in temples made with hands:
Acts 7:48 "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet."
Acts 17:24 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands."
So the answer to your question is; YES! God does indeed dwell in His temple, which is His people; His many-membered body. He is in us now through Christ, and will be when the physical realm is no longer needed.
Acts 17:29 "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead (deity) is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that YOU ARE the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth IN YOU?"
Please show me the scripture for this statement -
Paul said -
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4
Stephen says -
48 However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: 'Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest? Acts 7:48-49
John says -
2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3 And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. Revelation 4:2-4
Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 11:19
Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle... Revelation 14:17
God dwells in born again believers!
God does not only dwell in born again believers!
God is omniscient!
God dwells in Heaven even the highest heaven, the third heaven!
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JLB, you are deploying what is commonly known as a logical fallacy, defined as such:
"An appeal to probability, also known as an appeal to possibility, is a logical fallacy in which it is assumed that because something could happen it inevitably will happen."
And this happens continually in the arena of eschatology.
An example of this would be the 'scorpion's' in Revelation. Some see the 'scorpion' helicopter and they try to make the pieces of prophecy 'fit' their probability from the scriptures. And they will swear that is the 'only' possible answer.
It's also the fallacy of the excluded middle, meaning there are many ways to view all matters. You've deploy your 'limited construction choices' many times in this thread.
We do know from scriptures this much about 'temples' in general. That without the habitation of His Spirit, they are quite meaningless by anyone's measures.
We also know that any form of religion and 'temple or idol' combination makes the claim of 'valid meaning' outside of the region of any 'temple physical,' of it's own accord.
Gods Words have undoubtedly stated that He does not dwell in temples made by men.
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
The 'probability' that this will change is slim to none. But you are welcome to think otherwise and claim otherwise.
The New Testament is clear about 'temples.' The Spirit of God inhabits the hearts of those who call upon Him.
Is that the 'entirety' of God therein? No. It's a seed, a token of Promise.
IF His eternal seed is within, then the path to heaven is also 'internal' and 'unseen' by the physical/external/natural sight. It would NOT be seen or found by slicing open a physical heart or looking inside a physically constructed temple of any sort of imagination.
There are an abundance of most interesting sights and patterns to be found in temple understandings. Just depends on 'how' one is led to view same or how much they'd like NOT to see and insist only on some limited forms of constructs.
You can certainly claim that Daniel 9 means not only ONE temple reconstruction, but TWO. And you'd be VERY hard pressed to see any such TWO MORE physical TEMPLE reconstruction/destruction facts in Daniel 9.
The 'chances' of that fact to be extracted from Daniel 9 is about zero.
Make that less than zero. It's non-existing.
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"An appeal to probability, also known as an appeal to possibility, is a logical fallacy in which it is assumed that because something could happen it inevitably will happen."
And this happens continually in the arena of eschatology.
An example of this would be the 'scorpion's' in Revelation. Some see the 'scorpion' helicopter and they try to make the pieces of prophecy 'fit' their probability from the scriptures. And they will swear that is the 'only' possible answer.
It's also the fallacy of the excluded middle, meaning there are many ways to view all matters. You've deploy your 'limited construction choices' many times in this thread.
We do know from scriptures this much about 'temples' in general. That without the habitation of His Spirit, they are quite meaningless by anyone's measures.
We also know that any form of religion and 'temple or idol' combination makes the claim of 'valid meaning' outside of the region of any 'temple physical,' of it's own accord.
Gods Words have undoubtedly stated that He does not dwell in temples made by men.
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
The 'probability' that this will change is slim to none. But you are welcome to think otherwise and claim otherwise.
The New Testament is clear about 'temples.' The Spirit of God inhabits the hearts of those who call upon Him.
Is that the 'entirety' of God therein? No. It's a seed, a token of Promise.
IF His eternal seed is within, then the path to heaven is also 'internal' and 'unseen' by the physical/external/natural sight. It would NOT be seen or found by slicing open a physical heart or looking inside a physically constructed temple of any sort of imagination.
There are an abundance of most interesting sights and patterns to be found in temple understandings. Just depends on 'how' one is led to view same or how much they'd like NOT to see and insist only on some limited forms of constructs.
You can certainly claim that Daniel 9 means not only ONE temple reconstruction, but TWO. And you'd be VERY hard pressed to see any such TWO MORE physical TEMPLE reconstruction/destruction facts in Daniel 9.
The 'chances' of that fact to be extracted from Daniel 9 is about zero.
Make that less than zero. It's non-existing.
s
In interpreting scripture there is a 3 fold fullness to each understanding.
- The direct Interpretation - The literal meaning of a scripture.
- The prophetic implication - The future fulfillment of an Old Testament type.
- The personal application - Rhema Word from scripture to an individual from God.
You seem to think anywhere the reference to a temple is in scripture can only be referring to the temple of a born again believer, yet you accuse me of "limited construction choices"!
I totally agre with you!
I agree with you. I do feel welcome to think otherwise!
I totally agree!
I couldn't agree more!
Is Daniel 9:27 speaking of a physical Temple or a spiritual temple?
JLB
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2 Thessalonians 2:1 "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the MAN OF SIN is revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Thessalonians 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that HE SITS AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD."
Christians do not know "who" the Temple of God is. The Temple is no longer the Jewish Temple made out of bricks and stone. That "AGE" (which was a copy and a shadow) is over. Paul tells us what the Temple is since the descending of the Parakletos:
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that YOU ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD and that the Spirit of God dwells IN YOU?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is HOLY, which TEMPLE YOU ARE."
1 Corinthians 6:19 "Or do you not know that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT who is in you?"
2 Corinthians 6:16: "For YOU ARE THE TEMPLE of the living God; as God has said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, and walk in them"
1 Corinthians 3:9 "For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, YOU ARE GOD'S BUILDING."
Peter says the same:
1 Peter 2:4 "You are coming to Christ, who is the LIVING CORNERSTONE of God's temple. He was rejected by people, but he was chosen by God for great honor.
1 Peter 2:5 And YOU ARE LIVING STONES that God is building into his SPIRITUAL TEMPLE."
WE ARE THE TEMPLE, A LIVING SPIRITUAL TEMPLE. The "physical temple" made of bricks and stone is no longer relevant. The TEMPLE is now a SPIRITUAL TEMPLE, and each of us in Christ are LIVING STONES that make up the Temple of God.
Going back to the verses from 2 Thessalonians above:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, the son of perdition,
2 Thessalonians 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that HE SITS AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD."
If WE ARE THE TEMPLE, then WHO IS IT that SITS AS GOD, IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD (that's us), showing HIMSELF to be GOD?
The MAN of sin "exalts HIMSELF" above all ....... so that he, AS GOD, sits IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD." Every reference that Paul made to the "temple of God" reveals that he NEVER applied this term to the Jewish temple! When the Bible speaks of the "literal temple," the Greek word "hieron" is used. On the other hand, the word that Paul used for temple is the Greek word "NAOS" which refers not to the literal temple, but to the Holy Place. NAOS is THE DWELLING PLACE OF GOD. And the dwelling place of God is now HIS MANY MEMBERED BODY.
Paul said:
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that YOU ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT who is in you?
2 Corinthians 6:16: "For YOU are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell IN THEM, and walk in them"
So if WE ARE THE TEMPLE, as the Bible states, then who is the "man of sin" sitting in the "TEMPLE of God" showing himself that HE IS GOD?
WE ARE THAT MAN OF SIN! The MAN OF SIN is THE SELF usurping and exalting HIMSELF AS GOD in the Temple of God, showing HIMSELF that he is God!!!
The "MAN OF SIN" (the SELF) takes the seat of God in the temple of God (which YOU ARE) and usurps the leading of the Holy Spirit. He thinks he's a servant of God, but in reality, he's serving the false god of SELF as he resists the Holy Spirit and "opposes and exalts HIMSELF above all that is called God, so that HE AS GOD sits in the temple of God, showing HIMSELF that HE is God."
Revelation 13:18: "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN, and his number is 666."
It is the number of a MAN, and the number that represents MAN in the Scriptures is the number 6.
- Man was created on the 6th day
- 6 days for MAN to labour
- MAN could sow the land 6 years, but the seventh belonged to the Lord
- Goliath; who defied the Lord's army, was 6 cubits tall. His spearhead weighed 600 shekels of iron.
- Nebuchadnezzar's great image, set up in the plain of Dura, was 60 by 6 cubits.
The dimensions of Nebuchadnezzar's great image was 10 times the height of Goliath; and with the passage of time, the dimensions "increase" another ten times when we get to Revelation 13:18. This is because:
2 Timothy 3:13 "But evil MEN and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."
The "god" we think (all of us at some point in our lives) we are praising and worshiping is not actually God at all. Our god is THE IMAGE OF SELF! Man creates God in his OWN IMAGE! The IMAGE OF THE BEAST. THE BEAST is MAN!
The beast is you, and the beast is me!
Ecclesiastes 3:18 "I said in my heart concerning the matter of the sons of man that God might cleanse them, so as to see that they themselves ARE BEASTS."
Revelation 13:18: "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding count the number of THE BEAST: for it is the number of a MAN."
This is true with EVERYONE, (i.e. - THE WHOLE WORLD is deceived {Revelation 12:9} - that includes YOU AND ME) – until Christ drives all of that out of us and destroys the beast within..... the flesh, Old Adam, the Old MAN, (carnal-minded, natural man) with "a sharp sword which proceeds out of His MOUTH." (Revelation 19:15, 21)
Revelation 19:21 "And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the MOUTH of Him who sat on the horse, and all the fowls were filled with THEIR FLESH."
Here is what that "sword" is:
Hebrews 4:12 "For the WORD OF GOD is living and powerful, and sharper than any TWO-EDGED SWORD."
John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS that I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT..."
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Doesn't matter to the point of observation.
There are certainly NOT TWO temples presented therein. And that's the case you are trying to make.
While I find interest in timeline for the first temple destruction OR the killing of Jesus Christ, Gods FLESH Temple, from the point of the destruction of either the temple of God is the body of believers with His Spirit within our hearts as shown and stated clearly from the scriptures.
You've staked your sight on yet ANOTHER brick and mortar temple when such a claim is not even there to see.
The temple brick and mortar was rebuilt after Babylonian captivity was over, then destroyed and offerings ceased.
Jesus revealed where the man of sin sits. It is a spiritual matter and that 'man' was shown to sit in the temple of our sinning bodies.
Paul delineates this matter as well, quite clearly:
2 Thess. 2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
Look to your own body my friend. The 'man' of sin is already IN the temple. We all have sin and sin is in fact OF THE DEVIL.
Not difficult to come to grips with if you are honest.
And HERE, right HERE is the promised destruction of that DESTROYER:
1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
You're looking to some other land and some other temple.
It's an internal matter JLB. You will see exactly nothing on the outside of the cup. Nothing.
The Brightness of His Coming is GOD who is LOVE IN OUR HEARTS. That is the 'method' of DESTRUCTION.
A CARNAL mind/heart is not honest before God and is NOT allowed to see these matters.
They are in fact blinded by the 'god of this world.' And such will be 'led' down dead end avenues and dead end sights.
Os may look to the 'old man' but the reality of the 'old man' is that it is us, BLINDED by that other working entity IN the temple.
When Paul was turned to God in Christ he was in fact TURNED from the power of Satan unto GOD in Christ by Christ Himself.
Yet there remains a destruction to come upon that 'man of sin' that is promised in the Gospel.
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How can a "man" occupy another person's body?
How can any being except God, occupy "the body of believers". Only God is omnipresent!
Not to difficult to come to grips with this simple truth if your honest!
Brother, you are way off in your understanding of 2 Thessalonians 2.
How anyone could possibly say the man of sin "sits" [occupies] the body of believers [temple], which is ONLY reserved for the Holy Spirit.
I guess your saying the "man of sin" binds the Holy Spirit and cast's Him out and sits as God in the body of believers?
That's what you are saying and trying to convince us of!
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Go ahead and explain to us how a man,"the man of sin", occupies the place of God in all the believers, ["sits as God"].
Also explain to us how this "man of sin" is revealed to all.
First, he occupies the place of God in all the body of believers.
Then he is revealed, meaning he can be seen and known!
Thats a very unique perspective, I can't wait to hear your explanation!:
JLB
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Yes. Or another view is that the body of Christ is a 3rd temple. I don't say "THE" 3rd temple, because I don't follow the belief that we're waiting on another temple. I'm not a Futurist. And in my opinion, when you follow Futurism thru with regard to a "coming temple", it just doesn't make any sense. Especially not when you consider that many of them believe that Jesus will sit on a throne in this coming temple ruling the Earth and they believe that during this time, the Mosaic Law is reestablished and that Jews will be able to get to Heaven thru the Mosaic Law. This whole scenario, to me, no offense to anyone, is simply ridiculous. I mean, think it thru, ya know?
For example, Jesus, the one time sacrifice for all, is sitting on His throne in this temple ruling, with the Mosaic Law reestablished.
The problem with this is plethora!
1) The purpose of the temple is animal sacrifices for sins. That is what it is built for.
2) The reestablishment of the Mosaic Law means the reestatement of animal sacrifices for sins.
3) Here we have Jesus, the one time sacrifice for all, somehow not having a problem with Jews sacrificing animals for their sins, which in reality, would be the same thing as spitting in His face (spitting in the face of HIs sacrifice)! Their animal sacrifices would be an abomination before God, since the time of the sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ, which means that it would be considered the same to Jesus.
4) Here we have the Jews who, for some reason, have no problem with Jesus sitting on the Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies, which is obviously where God would sit of course and this is an ignored problem by the Futurists, because they do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, which means that to them, He would be committing an abomination by even entering the Holy of Holies, let alone setting up camp in it! They would be dragging Him out into the street and stoning Him, not worshipping Him!
5) If the Jews did actually believe that Jesus was the Messiah, meaning as the church believes in Him and not just as some "war lord", then they would know that the temple is past history, because He is the one time sacrifice! Of course, I probably should note here that even most "Christians" today, since most are Futurists, look at Jesus as some war lord. After all, what is it that they're waiting on Him for? To go out and fight a war, right?
Anyway, there are more problems with this "future temple" view. Problems that Futurists just do not see and are not even aware of, because they're studying "accepted doctrine", not the Bible. And the idea that the doctrine may not be Biblical does not even occur to them.
I'm not trying to attack anybody. It's just that when you think this temple stuff through, it obviously just doesn't make any sense. And so now there's a choice to make. Stick with the Scriptures, or "the doctrine".
Go ahead and explain to us how a man,"the man of sin", occupies the place of God in all the believers, ["sits as God"].
Also explain to us how this "man of sin" is revealed to all.
First, he occupies the place of God in all the body of believers.
Then he is revealed, meaning he can be seen and known!
Thats a very unique perspective, I can't wait to hear your explanation!
JLB
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Go ahead and explain to us how a man,"the man of sin", occupies the place of God in all the believers, ["sits as God"].
Also explain to us how this "man of sin" is revealed to all.
First, he occupies the place of God in all the body of believers.
Then he is revealed, meaning he can be seen and known!
Thats a very unique perspective, I can't wait to hear your explanation!
JLB
So in response to my post proving that the doctrine that has Jesus sitting in a rebuilt temple ruling the Earth is ridiculous on its face, he posts passages that he thinks prove that an evil guy sits in this same temple and fools people into thinking He is God! Yea, that proves that I was wrong about what I said about the doctrine they have about Jesus sitting in this temple ruling! Of course it does!
Or is he now claiming that Jesus is this "man of sin"? After all, if he claims to be responding to what I said (and that is the obviously implication), then that's what his comment would mean. He obviously, as is typical for Futurists, did not think his response thru before posting it!
Futurists crack me up though. They are so immersed in the brainwashing that they call a doctrine, that they don't even think about what say. They just spit out what they were trained to like robot lemmings , no matter how nonsensical it is and even if it has nothing to do with what was said. Truly sad!
And I call it brainwashing when this is the type of thing that's offered as a serious response!
And it is also obvious that they are so immersed into their doctrine, that they actually think that quoting passages is the same thing as the verses saying whatever's in their head, that they think it means.
When you believe that the interpretation that you were taught about passages (especially those dealing with how prophetic passages would be fulfilled), is what the passages actually say (that the passages are actually worded that way), so that what you think it says doesn't even need to be stated to anyone, then that is brainwashing, period!
Of course, since I know the Futurist doctrines well, I know where he was going. But of course, the arrogance that follows, comes when you mention their approach to them and they respond by telling you that "You just don't understand the Bible!".
Yea, right, because of course, anyone who understands the Bible would believe exactly what they do, right?!
Oh yes! Of course, anyone who understands the Bible would know that in order to "prove" that Jesus will rule the Earth from a rebuilt temple, one must quote passages that talk about an evil dude ruling as God from a temple! Only the truly ignorant of the Scriptures wouldn't know that, right guys?
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Well, you have not been able to explain how a man can occupy the place of God in believers!Go ahead and explain to us how a man,"the man of sin", occupies the place of God in all the believers, ["sits as God"].
Also explain to us how this "man of sin" is revealed to all.
First, he occupies the place of God in all the body of believers.
Then he is revealed, meaning he can be seen and known!
Thats a very unique perspective, I can't wait to hear your explanation!
Well, I don't see your explanation about how a man can occupy the place of God in all the body of believers in this quote! Lets examine the next one!So in response to my post proving that the doctrine that has Jesus sitting in a rebuilt temple ruling the Earth is ridiculous on its face, he posts passages that he thinks prove that an evil guy sits in this same temple and fools people into thinking He is God! Yea, that proves that I was wrong about what I said about the doctrine they have about Jesus sitting in this temple ruling! Of course it does!
Or is he now claiming that Jesus is this "man of sin"? After all, if he claims to be responding to what I said (and that is the obviously implication), then that's what his comment would mean. He obviously, as is typical for Futurists, did not think his response thru before posting it!
No explanation here either.
See above!
See above!
See above!
Still no explanation as to how a flesh and blood man can occupy the place of God in all the body of believers.Of course, since I know the Futurist doctrines well, I know where he was going. But of course, the arrogance that follows, comes when you mention their approach to them and they respond by telling you that "You just don't understand the Bible!".
Yea, right, because of course, anyone who understands the Bible would believe exactly what they do, right?!
Oh yes! Of course, anyone who understands the Bible would know that in order to "prove" that Jesus will rule the Earth from a rebuilt temple, one must quote passages that talk about an evil dude ruling as God from a temple! Only the truly ignorant of the Scriptures wouldn't know that, right guys?
You have, however tried to side step the question by making some remarks...
But, still no explanation!
Oh well, I guess when you get around to it, you will explain yourself!
totopicGood to have you back Pastor.
JLB
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Paul does not say of the man of sin, or the man of lawlessness, that he is BORN - but that he is REVEALED. It does not say that he suddenly emerges upon the world scene, nor that he seizes political power, nor that he marshals vast armies - but simply that he is REVEALED!
The whole world has been waiting for the man of sin to be revealed, and now by the grace of the Holy Spirit HE IS BEING REVEALED as the Lord makes known to His apprehended ones the awful depth of our own carnal minds, self-will, and inherent sin faithfully and relentlessly purging, refining, crushing, and stripping us of all that pertains to the self-ego of Adam's nature.
The "MAN OF SIN" is REVEALED to each of us PERSONALLY! He is not "publicly revealed" to the world as an individual King or world ruler, he is revealed WITHIN US, each one of us.
The destruction of the man of sin comes AT THE TIME HE IS REVEALED:
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And THEN shall that Wicked be REVEALED, whom the Lord shall CONSUME with the spirit of His MOUTH, and shall DESTROY with the brightness of His coming."
Paul says: "The Lord shall consume with The Spirit of His MOUTH."
Again, as I mentioned in my last post;
Revelation 19:21 "And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the MOUTH of Him who sat on the horse, and all the fowls were filled with THEIR FLESH."
Here is what that "sword" is:
Hebrews 4:12 "For the WORD OF GOD is living and powerful, and sharper than any TWO-EDGED SWORD."
John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS that I SPEAK to you; THEY ARE SPIRIT, they are LIFE"
This man of sin within will do everything in his power to conceal his identity, for his discovery is his undoing! He is hidden, not to God and Christ, but to the man who is NOT walking in the SPIRIT. As our lives become exposed to the life and light of Christ the MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, uncovered, exposed - then to be dealt with, destroyed, consumed by the bright-burning of the arising of the Day Star within our hearts.
If the cunning, craftiness, subtleness, deceitfulness, treachery, and wickedness of OUR OWN carnal mind is being uncovered, revealed, exposed by the Spirit's dealings, then know, that THE HOUR OF HIS DESTRUCTION IS AT HAND! The order is: REVEALED! ... DESTROYED! ... GLORY!
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