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How the Law and the Commandments Promotes Sin
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Robert Pate said:
The law was not given to make one righteous. Paul said, "By the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.
The purpose of the law is to convict of sin and to bring us to Christ, Galatians 3:24. The law also reveals the righteousness of God. Jesus was the only one qualified to teach the law, all of the others were hypocrites.
>>>Again who are the "others"?
Robert:
"Only one qualified to teach the law."
>>>Again, did I quote other than Jesus in my respond?
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In the 23rd chapter of Matthew Jesus referred to the Pharisees as hypocrites seven times.
>>>thank you for the clarification.
Back again to the original post: Did Jesus taught at any time "faith alone" will lead you to salvation?
You completely do not understand these verses.
You do not understand the law...at all
You keep posting about what you do not understand as if you do
No truth in that post.
You have asked the correct question and discovered a major falsehood
Aside from the grammatical mistake...
Jesus spoke often to oppose the teachings of legalistic Pharisees, although He instructed His disciples privately in a different manner.
However, Paul wrote this to the church at Ephesus: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
That is Scripture. Do you think that the Bible is wrong here?
>>>agree, my grammar needs to be improved please forgive me.
>>>Are you sure? Let's ask Jesus:
John 18:20: Jesus answered him, 'I have spoken openly to the world; I always taught in synagogues and in the temple area, where all the Jews congregate; and I said nothing in secret.
>>>You know, I was just wondering, why God the Father, the prophets or Jesus never taught such very important doctrine?
Jesus regularly taught His disciples in private.
Which very important doctrine are you referring to?
>>>I'll take Jesus words that he said nothing in secret when he taught the Jews and the world.
>>>"By faith alone, you're saved" Never taught by God, Jesus or the prophets.
Read your Bible!
Matthew 13:34-35, "Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
“I will open my mouth in parables,
I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.” "
Mark 3:33-34, "With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything."
Luke 24:25-27, "He said to them [His disciples], “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself."
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Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
>>> Open your dictionary Parables: a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, not as you think "secret"
Did jesus lied to the man when he told him to keep the commandments IF you want to enter life??? (Matt. 19:17)
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True that the Bible does not say by faith alone. However, it is implied. God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners, which we are all one of, Romans 3:10. Salvation is by faith alone because it is by Christ alone. If you try to save yourself by your works or your obedience you will be disappointed.
>>>Are you aware God loves the sinner when he sins then make U turn and repent, more than the righteous who never sin?
How king David was forgiving? believing in Jesus? No. sacrificing animals? No. he only confesses his sins and repent. (2 Sam. 12:13)
Whole city of Nineveh (most wicked people) was forgiving only when they Repent. (Jonah 3:6-10) No blood or sacrificing only Repentance.
Did Jesus told the man: Just believe in me and you will be saved? No. (Matt. 19:17)
Isn't the above God and Jesus teaching? Jesus said: "If you love me, you do what I said".
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Under the Old Covenant people were saved by believing in God's promise of a savior, Romans 4:3.
Under the New Covenant people are saved by hearing and believing the Gospel, Ephesians 1:13.
The Gospel is the work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf, that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
No one will be saved by obeying the commandments, because of Romans 3:10.
a) I know the definition of a parable.
b) Read your Bible.
Mark 4:10-12, "When he was alone, those who were around him along with the twelve asked him about the parables. And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything comes in parables, in order that
‘they may indeed look but not perceive,
and may indeed hear but not understand;
so that they may not turn again and be forgiven.’ ”
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Did jesus [sic] lied [sic] to the man when he told him to keep the commandments IF you want to enter life??? (Matt. 19:17)
Aside from your careless English, this has nothing to do with our discussion about parables. And it has nothing to do with the OP: how the law and commandments promote sin. That said, Jesus does not lie! To suggest that is heresy!
>>>God said, "The fools said such things". (Psalm 14:1)
When Jesus said, he was sent to the sinners not to the righteous, it means they both exist, isn't?
Just wondering, why Jesus command the man to obey the commandments to be saved (Matt. 19:17)?
Who should I listen to? I ask Jesus, he said obey the commandments. I ask you; you tell me don't need to obey the commandment!!!
It is important to understand Scripture in context.
"Then someone came to him [a young Jew prior to the giving of the Holy Spirit] and said, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is one who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. Honor your father and mother. Also, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “I have kept all these; what do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this word, he went away grieving, for he had many possessions." Matthew 16:19-22
The Holy Spirit had not yet been given to lead believers into all truth. Jesus was teaching the young man an important principle: keeping all God's commandments -- an impossible task -- won't save anyone.
When Jesus was asked which one the young man had to keep, He mentioned six only. Why? Why didn't He say all of God's laws. He omitted having commandments such as having other gods before the one true God, worshiping idols, keeping the Sabbath, honoring one's father and mother, stealing, etc. Why? Because Jesus was teaching him about righteousness. He told the young man that he had to sell his possessions and give the money to the poor, pointing out his weakness! Even thought the young man had kept the law, he was still lacking. He loved his wealth too much to part with it and follow Jesus.
The commandments point out one's sin and, ideally, should show them the need for a Savior. Keeping the laws, commandments, etc. will not justify anyone!
Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works [keeping the law!], so that no one may boast." My emphasis added.
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What I really meant is that you cannot obey the commandments, because you were born after Adam and have a sinful nature, Romans 3:10. The only one that obeyed the commandments was Jesus Christ. He obeyed the law perfectly and he obeyed it for you as your representative. God sees all things in his Son Jesus Christ.