How the Law and the Commandments Promotes Sin

[theWind]

This all confuses me so much, though, because almost every Christian in the world obeys 9 of the 10 Commandments - or at least believes that they, and all other Christians, should. They just don't obey the Sabbath Commandment.

And John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the Biblical definition of sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. So how do we reconcile these things with our desire as Christians to not have any Laws/rules to obey?

 

[Robert Pate]

This all confuses me so much, though, because almost every Christian in the world obeys 9 of the 10 Commandments - or at least believes that they, and all other Christians, should. They just don't obey the Sabbath Commandment.

And John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the Biblical definition of sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. So how do we reconcile these things with our desire as Christians to not have any Laws/rules to obey?

Obedience to Jesus is not because you are told to, it is because out of a heart of love and gratitude that you will want to.

 

[Iconoclast]

This all confuses me so much, though, because almost every Christian in the world obeys 9 of the 10 Commandments - or at least believes that they, and all other Christians, should. They just don't obey the Sabbath Commandment.

And John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the Biblical definition of sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. So how do we reconcile these things with our desire as Christians to not have any Laws/rules to obey?

All ten commandments are still in effect, Heb.4:9

 

[Jethro Bodine]

This all confuses me so much, though, because almost every Christian in the world obeys 9 of the 10 Commandments - or at least believes that they, and all other Christians, should. They just don't obey the Sabbath Commandment.

And John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the Biblical definition of sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. So how do we reconcile these things with our desire as Christians to not have any Laws/rules to obey?

Faith in the blood of Christ upholds ALL of the law. It doesn't cast it under foot and break it. It's just that some parts of the law do not require any further action on our part because they got fulfilled once and for all through the sacrifice and ministry of Christ.

The New Covenant gives the appearance of those various sacrificial and ceremonial laws being broken by the new way of faith in Christ. But that's just not true. For example, we don't keep the law of blood for atonement because Christ did that for us one time, for all time, so no further sacrifices are necessary. Our faith in Christ's sacrifice doesn't break that law, it fulfills it to God's complete and total satisfaction. And so the law of Moses is laid aside as unneeded now, not trampled down and broken by the appearing of Christ. He plainly said he did not come to do that (Matthew 5:17).

 

[Tempo]

What I really meant is that you cannot obey the commandments,

>>>But God have another opinion. Scripture told us, His Laws is perfect and easy to obey (John 5:3), (Psalm 19:7-11)

because you were born after Adam and have a sinful nature, Romans 3:10.

>>>Never understand this doctrine! Are you aware Jesus Never mention Adam?

So, if my father a thief, I must be a thief? Please explain how we inherent good or sinful nature?

The only one that obeyed the commandments was Jesus Christ. He obeyed the law perfectly and he obeyed it for you as your representative. God sees all things in his Son Jesus Christ.

>>>Please see Luke 1:5-6 and Job 1:1. I think both were the children of Adam!

Sorry to repeat my question over and over.
Did God, the prophets or Jesus at any time taught: Following the Law lead to sin?
Loving, merciful God will never give us guidance leading to sin.
Q: would you teach your children things leading them to go to jill or getting sick??
Most likely, NO, because you're a loving parent. How about God?


Again, I must declare: English is not my first language, but I am trying my best.

 

[jaybo]

This all confuses me so much, though, because almost every Christian in the world obeys 9 of the 10 Commandments - or at least believes that they, and all other Christians, should. They just don't obey the Sabbath Commandment.

And John tells us in 1 John 3:4 that the Biblical definition of sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. So how do we reconcile these things with our desire as Christians to not have any Laws/rules to obey?

1 John 3:4, "Everyone who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. " This has nothing to do with the ten commandments.

Christians are dead to the law and guided (internally) by the Holy Spirit. External rules vs internal guidance.

 

[jaybo]

>>>But God have another opinion. Scripture told us, His Laws is perfect and easy to obey (John 5:3), (Psalm 19:7-11)


>>>Never understand this doctrine! Are you aware Jesus Never mention Adam?

So, if my father a thief, I must be a thief? Please explain how we inherent good or sinful nature?

>>>Please see Luke 1:5-6 and Job 1:1. I think both were the children of Adam!

Sorry to repeat my question over and over.
Did God, the prophets or Jesus at any time taught: Following the Law lead to sin?
Loving, merciful God will never give us guidance leading to sin.
Q: would you teach your children things leading them to go to jill or getting sick??
Most likely, NO, because you're a loving parent. How about God?


Again, I must declare: English is not my first language, but I am trying my best.

Romans 7:4-6, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

 

[Robert Pate]

All ten commandments are still in effect, Heb.4:9

No, the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.
The law is a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7. Paul said, "The law was not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. Christians are under grace, not law. The law will condemn you to hell, why do you want to be under the law?

 

[jaybo]

No, the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.
The law is a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7. Paul said, "The law was not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. Christians are under grace, not law. The law will condemn you to hell, why do you want to be under the law?

Great post!

 

[Robert Pate]

Great post!

Much opposition to the scriptures on this Forum. The words "Law" and "Religion" basically mean the same thing. When one is doing their religion, they are doing the law. When one is doing the law, they are doing their religion. This is why many are offended by the teaching that the law has been abolished, it is the same as saying that their religion has been abolished.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

…why do you want to be under the law?

The correct terminology is we uphold the law.

31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

That is different than being under the condemnation and bondage of the law.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Much opposition to the scriptures on this Forum. The words "Law" and "Religion" basically mean the same thing. When one is doing their religion, they are doing the law. When one is doing the law, they are doing their religion. This is why many are offended by the teaching that the law has been abolished, it is the same as saying that their religion has been abolished.

You have to be more specific when you say ‘law’. Because we all are commanded to ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ (Leviticus 19:18). Certainly that has not been laid aside. The ceremonial and sacrificial law, yes, that has been laid aside - upheld and fulfilled in Christ, but, nonetheless, laid aside as to its old covenant literal fulfillment.

 

[Robert Pate]

The correct terminology is we uphold the law.

31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

That is different than being under the condemnation and bondage of the law.

The way that we uphold the law is that we are "In Christ". Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Romans 7:4-6, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

We died to the power and authority of the law to arouse and hold us in bondage to sin. We did not die to having to fulfill the requirements of the law. They get upheld and fulfilled through the new way of faith in Christ, instead of through the old and lifeless way of the letter of the law That means some laws got satisfied once and for all for us by our faith in the body and blood and ministry of Christ, while the requirements of other laws get satisfied when we walk in the Spirit by faith according to the fruit of the Spirit, summarized in the command to love others as yourself.

 

[Robert Pate]

You have to be more specific when you say ‘law’. Because we all are commanded to ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ (Leviticus 19:18). Certainly that has not been laid aside. The ceremonial and sacrificial law, yes, that has been laid aside - upheld and fulfilled in Christ, but, nonetheless, laid aside as to its old covenant literal fulfillment.

The law is the nature and character of God.
The law was given to the Jews at Mount Siani as a restraint, because of their rebellion. It was a temporary measure until Jesus arrived and then God's people were given the Holy Spirit. Christians are led by the Holy Spirit, John 16:13, not the law. Pharisees are led by the law. The Holy Spirit is only given to those that hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The way that we uphold the law is that we are "In Christ". Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

That is your legal declaration of righteousness. The effect of Christ’s perfect obedience to the law gets reckoned to our account apart from any consideration of our obedience (or lack thereof) to the law. But the upholding of the law through faith also means us actually keeping the laws that remain to be kept by us through our faith in Christ. I.e. ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ Leviticus 19:18.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The law is the nature and character of God.
The law was given to the Jews at Mount Siani as a restraint, because of their rebellion. It was a temporary measure until Jesus arrived and then God's people were given the Holy Spirit. Christians are led by the Holy Spirit, John 16:13, not the law. Pharisees are led by the law. The Holy Spirit is only given to those that hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

Yes, but the Spirit leads us to do that which the law commands us to do. Just not those things that don’t require literal Mosaic fulfillment anymore - the ceremonial and sacrificial laws.

 

[Robert Pate]

That is your legal declaration of righteousness. The effect of Christ’s perfect obedience to the law gets reckoned to our account apart from any consideration of our obedience (or lack thereof) to the law. But the upholding of the law through faith also means us actually keeping the laws that remain to be kept by us through our faith in Christ. I.e. ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ Leviticus 19:18.

Because we were born after Adam it is not possible for us to keep the law or the commandments. Our Adamic bodies have not been redeemed yet, Romans 8:23. We are both sinners and saints at one time. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7-25.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, but the Spirit leads us to do that which the law commands us to do. Just not those things that don’t require literal Mosaic fulfillment anymore - the ceremonial and sacrificial laws.

The Spirit will never lead one to do the law. The Holy Spirit will lead us to Christ who fulfilled the law for us, this is why, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

 

[jaybo]

The Spirit will never lead one to do the law. The Holy Spirit will lead us to Christ who fulfilled the law for us, this is why, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Another great post!