Is baptismal regeneration biblical?

[Pizza]

Opinion only.
So it seems you're rather picky-choosy about who's opinions you accept and who's you reject.

Same can be said about you.

 

[ezra]

Here is my post number 140.

Please point out where I told people to take what I said over the scriptures.



That's your opinion, that every verse should include water baptism if it was necessary.

Never the less, Peter mentions it as well.

[Notice I quote Peter, and said "Peter mentions it as well"]

20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:20-21

Like you said, you did it as a public confession.

Here is what Jesus said about that - [ Notice I said here is what Jesus said, then quoted Jesus with no commentary]

32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 10:32-33

We should encourage people to get water baptized.

[Then I simply stated we should encourage people to get water baptized]


I have posted my original post for all, several times now.

Here it is again.


[Here is my original post from this thread, please point out what you do not agree with.]

The only way to be regenerated is by being Baptized into the body of Christ, by the Spirit.


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

This is not water baptism.


There is no such scripture that says born again of water and Spirit.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:5

• one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Born of water is a reference to natural birth.
Born of the Spirit is a reference to Spiritual birth; Born again


A person must be born first, in order to be born "again".

The next verse teaches us this truth -

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

Born of flesh = Natural birth
Born of the Spirit = Spiritual birth.


Jesus used natural birth to illustrate Spiritual birth.

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 3:12

earthly thing = natural birth
heavenly thing = Spiritual birth




JLB

you sure back tracked from water regeneration

 

[JLB]

you sure back tracked from water regeneration

When did I ever say water regenerates us?


JLB

 

[ezra]

Is baptismal regeneration biblical? and no it is not

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this;
"Opinion only.
So it seems you're rather picky-choosy about who's opinions you accept and who's you reject."

Same can be said about you.

Every opinion I consider is compared to what Scripture says. Like the Berean's in Acts 17:11. Those opinions that agree with Scripture, I accept. Those that do not, I reject. As every believer should be doing.

 

[FreeGrace]

ezra said: ↑
you sure back tracked from water regeneration

When did I ever say water regenerates us?

Not only ezra, but I also thought that was your position from what has been posted. Isn't that what you've been arguing for?

 

[chessman]

Some people think a neglect of water baptism has the power to snatch you from His hand.

 

[ezra]

ezra said: ↑
you sure back tracked from water regeneration

Not only ezra, but I also thought that was your position from what has been posted. Isn't that what you've been arguing for?

he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position

 

[JLB]

he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position

Please produce the post where I said water baptism regenerates us or retract your false statement.

I posted what I believe.


JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

ezra said: ↑
he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position

Please produce the post where I said water baptism regenerates us or retract your false statement.

I posted what I believe.
JLB

From your post #140:

I said:
"If water baptism were necessary for salvation, then EVERY verse that speaks of how to be saved would have included water baptism."

And your response:
"That's your opinion, that every verse should include water baptism if it was neccesary."

How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?

Let's just get to the bottom line: is water baptism necessary for eternal salvation? yes or no

 

[JLB]

ezra said: ↑
he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position

From your post #140:

I said:
"If water baptism were necessary for salvation, then EVERY verse that speaks of how to be saved would have included water baptism."

And your response:
"That's your opinion, that every verse should include water baptism if it was neccesary."

How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?

Because every verse in the Bible does not have to include water baptism as being necessary for salvation to be true.

My position is that we need to obey the Lord, to do what He has instructed us to do, by His Spirit, and leave the circumstances of each person's life up to Him.

Does there seem to be an exception in the Bible for water baptism? Yes.

The thief on the cross would be an exception, but we are not to point to these extreme exceptions as a license to be disobedient when we have clear direction from the scriptures to be water baptized.


[Here is my original post from this thread, please point out what you do not agree with.]

The only way to be regenerated [although regenerated is not found in the bible] is by being Baptized into the body of Christ, by the Spirit.


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

This is not water baptism.


There is no such scripture that says born again of water and Spirit.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:5

• one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Born of water is a reference to natural birth.
Born of the Spirit is a reference to Spiritual birth; Born again


A person must be born first, in order to be born "again".

The next verse teaches us this truth -

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

Born of flesh = Natural birth
Born of the Spirit = Spiritual birth.


Jesus used natural birth to illustrate Spiritual birth.

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 3:12

earthly thing = natural birth
heavenly thing = Spiritual birth




JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

Because every verse in the Bible does not have to include water baptism as being necessary for salvation to be true.

This does not answer my direct question:
"How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?"

My position is that we need to obey the Lord, to do what He has instructed us to do, by His Spirit, and leave the circumstances of each person's life up to Him.

More interesting is the fact that my last question was excluded from your response, which was this:
"Let's just get to the bottom line: is water baptism necessary for eternal salvation? yes or no"

Does this mean that you're just not willing to answer this question? If so, why?

Does there seem to be an exception in the Bible for water baptism? Yes.

The thief on the cross would be an exception, but we are not to point to these extreme exceptions as a license to be disobedient when we have clear direction from the scriptures to be water baptized.

[Here is my original post from this thread, please point out what you do not agree with.]

The only way to be regenerated [although regenerated is not found in the bible] is by being Baptized into the body of Christ, by the Spirit.

Do you believe that being "baptized into the body of Christ" involves water? If so, why?

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

This is not water baptism.

OK. Right. So, what is it then?

 

[JLB]

How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?"

It's not an argument for water baptizem for salvation.

It's a response to your claim that every verse must reference water baptism to be valid.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Let's just get to the bottom line: is water baptism necessary for eternal salvation? yes or no"

Again here is my answer.

My position is that we need to obey the Lord, to do what He has instructed us to do, by His Spirit, and leave the circumstances of each person's life up to Him.


Why did you get baptised in water?

Public confessing of faith?

Why does He require us to do this?


JLB

 

[Papa Zoom]

Again here is my answer.

My position is that we need to obey the Lord, to do what He has instructed us to do, by His Spirit, and leave the circumstances of each person's life up to Him.


Why did you get baptised in water?

Public confessing of faith?

Why does He require us to do this?


JLB

It's easy to spell either yes or no. That was the question you were asked. Just answer that instead of the usual nonsense.

Jesus requires a lot more of us and none of those things will save us. Loving others doesn't save us. Doing good doesn't save us. Getting baptized doesn't save us. Loving other, doing good, and getting baptized are what saved people do however. It's in the Book.

 

[billybalke]

It's easy to spell either yes or no. That was the question you were asked. Just answer that instead of the usual nonsense.

Jesus requires a lot more of us and none of those things will save us. Loving others doesn't save us. Doing good doesn't save us. Getting baptized doesn't save us. Loving other, doing good, and getting baptized are what saved people do however. It's in the Book.

Hi Papa
You wrote "Getting baptized doesn't save us." That is not what Jesus said, Mk.16:15,15.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Hi Papa
You wrote "Getting baptized doesn't save us." That is not what Jesus said, Mk.16:15,15.

That's your interpretation. Baptism follows salvation. I wouldn't put too much into the end of chapter 16. Show me many verses that support that idea not just one. Make a case from the Bible as a whole not some isolated and questionable verse.

[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]

 

[Kidron]

Hi Papa
You wrote "Getting baptized doesn't save us." That is not what Jesus said, Mk.16:15,15.

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I suggest you do a nice long study on the Blood of Jesus, The Atonement, and Romans 3:21-28.
Or, you can just go with the water.
(bad choice).

 

[billybalke]

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I suggest you do a nice long study on the Blood of Jesus, The Atonement, and Romans 3:21-28.
Or, you can just go with the water.
(bad choice).

Thank you Kidron. I suggest that you and I engage in a nice Christian good natured "study on the Blood of Jesus, The Atonement, and Romans 3:21-28" ON THE ONE ON ONE .

WILL YOU DO IT?? I promise I won't bite, only the scripture can do that.

 

[billybalke]

That's your interpretation. Baptism follows salvation. I wouldn't put too much into the end of chapter 16. Show me many verses that support that idea not just one. Make a case from the Bible as a whole not some isolated and questionable verse.

[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]

Hi Papa---Lets talk about Mk.16 to the end of the chapter. Lets study to see if its really true. LETS STUDY "MAKE A CASE FROMTHE Bible as a whole not some isolated and questionable verse". WILL YOU DO IT??? Will you defend what you teach? I Pet.3:15.

I still love you,
Billy