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Is baptismal regeneration biblical?
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I said this;
"Opinion only.
So it seems you're rather picky-choosy about who's opinions you accept and who's you reject."
"Opinion only.
So it seems you're rather picky-choosy about who's opinions you accept and who's you reject."
Every opinion I consider is compared to what Scripture says. Like the Berean's in Acts 17:11. Those opinions that agree with Scripture, I accept. Those that do not, I reject. As every believer should be doing.
ezra
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he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position
Please produce the post where I said water baptism regenerates us or retract your false statement.
I posted what I believe.
JLB
ezra said: ↑
he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position
I said:
"If water baptism were necessary for salvation, then EVERY verse that speaks of how to be saved would have included water baptism."
And your response:
"That's your opinion, that every verse should include water baptism if it was neccesary."
How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?
Let's just get to the bottom line: is water baptism necessary for eternal salvation? yes or no
he has stated in other post water baptism generates all though in this particular post he seems to no longer hold that position
From your post #140:
I said:
"If water baptism were necessary for salvation, then EVERY verse that speaks of how to be saved would have included water baptism."
And your response:
"That's your opinion, that every verse should include water baptism if it was neccesary."
How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?
Let's just get to the bottom line: is water baptism necessary for eternal salvation? yes or no
Because every verse in the Bible does not have to include water baptism as being necessary for salvation to be true.
My position is that we need to obey the Lord, to do what He has instructed us to do, by His Spirit, and leave the circumstances of each person's life up to Him.
Does there seem to be an exception in the Bible for water baptism? Yes.
The thief on the cross would be an exception, but we are not to point to these extreme exceptions as a license to be disobedient when we have clear direction from the scriptures to be water baptized.
[Here is my original post from this thread, please point out what you do not agree with.]
The only way to be regenerated [although regenerated is not found in the bible] is by being Baptized into the body of Christ, by the Spirit.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13
This is not water baptism.
There is no such scripture that says born again of water and Spirit.
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:5
- one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Born of water is a reference to natural birth.
Born of the Spirit is a reference to Spiritual birth; Born again
A person must be born first, in order to be born "again".
The next verse teaches us this truth -
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6
Born of flesh = Natural birth
Born of the Spirit = Spiritual birth.
Jesus used natural birth to illustrate Spiritual birth.
If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 3:12
earthly thing = natural birth
heavenly thing = Spiritual birth
JLB
This does not answer my direct question:
"How is this not an argument FOR water baptism for salvation?"
More interesting is the fact that my last question was excluded from your response, which was this:
"Let's just get to the bottom line: is water baptism necessary for eternal salvation? yes or no"
Does this mean that you're just not willing to answer this question? If so, why?
Do you believe that being "baptized into the body of Christ" involves water? If so, why?
OK. Right. So, what is it then?
It's not an argument for water baptizem for salvation.
It's a response to your claim that every verse must reference water baptism to be valid.
JLB
Again here is my answer.
My position is that we need to obey the Lord, to do what He has instructed us to do, by His Spirit, and leave the circumstances of each person's life up to Him.
Why did you get baptised in water?
Public confessing of faith?
Why does He require us to do this?
JLB
Papa Zoom
CF Ambassador
It's easy to spell either yes or no. That was the question you were asked. Just answer that instead of the usual nonsense.
Jesus requires a lot more of us and none of those things will save us. Loving others doesn't save us. Doing good doesn't save us. Getting baptized doesn't save us. Loving other, doing good, and getting baptized are what saved people do however. It's in the Book.
billybalke
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Hi Papa
You wrote "Getting baptized doesn't save us." That is not what Jesus said, Mk.16:15,15.
Papa Zoom
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That's your interpretation. Baptism follows salvation. I wouldn't put too much into the end of chapter 16. Show me many verses that support that idea not just one. Make a case from the Bible as a whole not some isolated and questionable verse.
[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]
Kidron
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I suggest you do a nice long study on the Blood of Jesus, The Atonement, and Romans 3:21-28.
Or, you can just go with the water.
(bad choice).
billybalke
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Thank you Kidron. I suggest that you and I engage in a nice Christian good natured "study on the Blood of Jesus, The Atonement, and Romans 3:21-28" ON THE ONE ON ONE .
WILL YOU DO IT?? I promise I won't bite, only the scripture can do that.
billybalke
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Hi Papa---Lets talk about Mk.16 to the end of the chapter. Lets study to see if its really true. LETS STUDY "MAKE A CASE FROMTHE Bible as a whole not some isolated and questionable verse". WILL YOU DO IT??? Will you defend what you teach? I Pet.3:15.
I still love you,
Billy