Is Creation By or Through Jesus Christ?

[SolaScriptura]

Jesus Christ is the One who created all things according to the will of God the Father.


Jesus Christ the Son, as YHWH the LORD God stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10





JLB

God the Father also Created, as Hebrews 2:10 is clear:

"For in bringing many sons to glory, it was entirely appropriate that God—all things exist for Him and through Him—should make the source of their salvation perfect through sufferings"

God the Holy Spirit Created, as in Job 33:4

“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” (ESV, Hebrew-English Old Testament)

Which is why passages like Genesis

In Genesis 1:26-27, we read:

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them”

Here we have “yehôvâh” as the Speaker, Who says, “na-‘ă-śeh” (let US make, plural), man, “bəṣaləmēnû” (in OUR Image, plural), “kiḏəmûṯēnû” (according to OUR Likeness).

 

[JLB]

Here we have “yehôvâh” as the Speaker,

Not Yehovah.

YHWH



JLB

 

[SolaScriptura]

Not Yehovah.

YHWH



JLB

and exactly how do you pronounce YHWH? Which is why vowels were added, to allow us to be able to pronounce the Tetragrammaton. I see absolutely no problem with this, as the Old Testament Versions made by Jews from the Hebrew, like the LXX, Peshitta, were content with adding the vowels.

If Jesus Christ spoke Greek, He used Kurios, even in Psalm 110:1, which He quotes, etc

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

and exactly how do you pronounce YHWH? Which is why vowels were added, to allow us to be able to pronounce the Tetragrammaton. I see absolutely no problem with this, as the Old Testament Versions made by Jews from the Hebrew, like the LXX, Peshitta, were content with adding the vowels.

If Jesus Christ spoke Greek, He used Kurios, even in Psalm 110:1, which He quotes, etc

YHWH is breathing sound, YH is inhale, WH is exhale. Try an open mouth deep breath.

 

[SolaScriptura]

YHWH is breathing sound, YH is inhale, WH is exhale. Try an open mouth deep breath.

Yahweh, or Yehovah, or even Jehovah, are not a problem

There are almost 7,000 places in the OT, where YHWH has been vocalized to "Yahweh", and even to read, "Adonai" and "HaShem".

YHWH has it root in the Hebrew verb ‘hayah’, to be, to exist. This is seen in the Greek translation made from the Hebrew, by Jewish scholars, over 100 years before the Birth of Jesus Christ. In Exodus 3:14, where the Hebrew reads, "‘ehyeh asher ehyeh’", The LXX reads, "ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν", literally, "I am the Ever Existing One", or "I am the Eternal One", where the second Hebrew verb, "ehyeh’", is represented by the Greek present, active participle, "ὤν", which is "continually".

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yahweh, or Yehovah, or even Jehovah, are not a problem

There are almost 7,000 places in the OT, where YHWH has been vocalized to "Yahweh", and even to read, "Adonai" and "HaShem".

YHWH has it root in the Hebrew verb ‘hayah’, to be, to exist. This is seen in the Greek translation made from the Hebrew, by Jewish scholars, over 100 years before the Birth of Jesus Christ. In Exodus 3:14, where the Hebrew reads, "‘ehyeh asher ehyeh’", The LXX reads, "ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν", literally, "I am the Ever Existing One", or "I am the Eternal One", where the second Hebrew verb, "ehyeh’", is represented by the Greek present, active participle, "ὤν", which is "continually".

If you believe that YHWH is the lord of the universe and all mankind, including nations and cultures that don't use or understand any of these languages, then he's not only the Eternal One, but also the breathing sound. As long as a person lives, whoever or wherever they are, they utter the Lord's personal name with every breath.

 

[JLB]

and exactly how do you pronounce YHWH?

You don’t.

In English it is LORD.


What is the only name under heaven by which men are saved?


For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:13



Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12






JLB

 

[Mr. G Lee]

YHWH has it root in the Hebrew verb ‘hayah’, to be, to exist. This is seen in the Greek translation made from the Hebrew, by Jewish scholars, over 100 years before the Birth of Jesus Christ.

His name is God. He has many attributes like Jealous or Jehovah.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Jesus Christ is the One who created all things according to the will of God the Father.


Jesus Christ the Son, as YHWH the LORD God stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10





JLB

God is not a man. Never was never could be.

It's the Son saying of His Father "Your Throne O God"

Not the invisible Father calling the Son of man Jesus God .

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he (the Son) says, “Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your kingdom.

Human form in the place of our eternal invisible God is simply blasphemy.

Jesus would never stand in the place of the Father by serving dying mankind above God . That would invite the wrath of God.

Roamnas1: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature(the Son of Man Jesus) ) more than the Creator,(Father) who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[JLB]

God is not a man. Never was never could be.

God became a Man.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14




JLB

 

[JLB]

It's the Son saying of His Father "Your Throne O God"

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8

• The Father is saying to the Son: Your throne, O God…

Jesus Christ the Son is God; YHWH the LORD God.





JLB

 

[Mr. G Lee]

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8

• The Father is saying to the Son: Your throne, O God…

Jesus Christ the Son is God; YHWH the LORD God.





JLB

Clearly God is on the one throne not the Son of man, Jesus. The Father does not sit at the feet of a dying creation.

Do you really think Jesus the Son of man was claiming mankind should worship his dying flesh above that of the unseen Creator or Holy Father That would seem to promote the "wrath of God" who is not a creature as us.

( My additions)

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as (Invisible) God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (the son of Man Jesus ) more than the Creator (our Holy Father) , who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[JLB]

Human form in the place of our eternal invisible God is simply blasphemy.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

 

[JLB]

Clearly God is on the one throne not the Son of man, Jesus. The Father does not sit at the feet of a dying creation.

Clearly the Father says to the Son…

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8

 

[Mr. G Lee]

God became a Man.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14




JLB

The word of God created the flesh Let there be fleshly mankind and it was good.

God works in dying mankind Jesus the Son of man our brother in the lord replied Not as I will but you the unseen Holy Father .

The glory of the father no glory coming from the flesh of dying mankind.

 

[JLB]

The word of God created the flesh Let there be fleshly mankind and it was good.

God works in dying mankind Jesus the Son of man our brother in the lord replied Not as I will but you the unseen Holy Father .

The glory of the father no glory coming from the flesh of dying mankind.

This doesn’t make any sense.

You stated emphatically that Human form in the place of God is blasphemy.

Here is the truth —

God was manifested in the flesh…



JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus would never stand in the place of the Father by serving dying mankind above God .

No one said any such thing, certainly not me.

Jesus the Son is God.
The Father is God.



JLB

 

[SolaScriptura]

Clearly God is on the one throne not the Son of man, Jesus

In the Book of Revelation, chapter 22, verse 1: “And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb”. The Greek here is very important, “του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου”, where “του θρονου” (the throne), is in the singular number. God and the Lamb, as “distinct” Persons, are united in Their Rule. This absolute unity, can also be seen in chapter 11:15, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall Reign for ever and ever”. Note the end, “He shall Reign”, which in the Greek is, “βασιλευσει”, which is in the singular number. It can refer to “His Christ”, or, to “our Lord and of His Christ”, the latter no doubt being the correct meaning, as seen from the main passage from chapter 5, and 22. Let no one suppose that there is some “subordination” with Jesus Christ to the Father, post-Incarnation, as this is proven as completely wrong from these passages in Revelation.

Here we have the absolute equality of Jesus Christ with God the Father. IF, as some suggest that Jesus Christ is not YHWH, then these passages in Revelation, and other Books, would not read as they do.

 

[Free]

All three Persons were involved in creation and it is often said to be by the Father and through the Son, although there is at least one instance where creation is "by" the Son (Col 1:16) and another where the Son is shown to be creator (Heb 1:10-12). In the end, it doesn't really matter as they are both saying essentially the same thing--the Son was the agent or means of creation; the Father was the source.

 

[SolaScriptura]

All three Persons were involved in creation and it is often said to be by the Father and through the Son, although there is at least one instance where creation is "by" the Son (Col 1:16) and another where the Son is shown to be creator (Heb 1:10-12). In the end, it doesn't really matter as they are both saying essentially the same thing--the Son was the agent or means of creation; the Father was the source.

Philippians 1:16 is clear in the Greek text, that Jesus Christ is the SOURCE of Creation. Paul here says: "ta panta en autōi ektisthē", "All things IN Him were Created", as the Well-Spring of Creation. As Paul also says in Acts 17:28, "en autōi gar zōmen kai kinoumetha kai esōmen", "For IN Him we live and move and exist". And in John 1:4, for Jesus Christ, "en autōi zōē ēn", "IN Him was life".