continuing:
Why not? False doctrine is false doctrine. JW's speak the name of Jesus. Probably more than Catholics do. The Mormons are pretty out there, but they are just the same as the CC.
The JWs do not believe Jesus is God but the SON OF GOD. The Son. Created.
The CC believes in the Trinity just like you do, or at least, should.
Have you been in any CCs lately? All the priest talks about is Jesus.
In the right way...
Sometimes I wonder where people get their information from.
Let's go over some examples:
Marriage: It is the CC's belief that they have the authority to determine if a marriage is valid or not. Show me that in the Scriptures, and please, please, it isn't covered by the 'the church has the right to decide whatever it wants about the Scriptures.
Any denomination has the right to determine if a marriage is valid.
Doesn't your church?
Are you speaking about annulments?
I can't get too much into this because you may not even be reading this....
Do you understand what an annulment is?
It means something was not valid TO BEGIN WITH.
The CC does not believe in divorce except for very specific reasons...
Adultery - although they do counsel to try to keep the marriage together.
Abuse
Squandering the family's money causing hardship
There are also specific reasons for annulment.
Penance is necessary for salvation: Show me.
No where is it taught that penance is necessary for salvation.
Have you seen this somewhere? Could you post it so I could see the source?
They do believe that confession is necessary.
It's based on John 20:23
Those right after the Apostles also stated we should confess, but it's not explained how.
Confession has a history to it...but it's too much unless you're really interested. It has changed over the millenneum.
It's based a couple of parables but I can't agree with either one.
Also Rev 20 ?...nothing impure will enter into heaven.
I really don't care for this doctrine.
But I don't care for doctrines of different churches...
Indulgences: Show me. where does Jesus tell us that we can give money to save someone else's soul?
Indulgences are given in keeping with Jesus authorizing the Apostles to loose and bind here on earth, and it will be done in heaven.
Matthew 18:18-20
The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ: Show me. I mean Jesus was sitting there with his disciples at the first communion practice. Did Jesus' body become the bread that he was handing out?
Yes, well, He DID say THIS IS MY BODY, it was bread, and the next day it was broken.
This is a deep topic and I'm not willing to discuss it here.
John 6:54
If you check out the greek in this instance when Jesus says we must EAT His body...
it means TO CHEW.
And I'm asking from the Scriptures. Not from some bull from some important personage of the Catholic organization.
Bulls are based on the bible.
You can't just make stuff up.
Oh good, now we've pulled in the 'hate' card because there is disagreement. I don't hate the CC, other than I know that it is working diligently against God, but I don't hate the people of the Catholic organization. So, let me be clear, this issue you have with hate towards denominations is not what is happening here. This is a matter of explaining false teachings and calling them out. Yes, the false teachings of the WOF movement. The Mormon practice of the faith. The JW practice of the faith. And yes, the Catholic organizations false teachings concerning the faith...are all subject to the truth of God's word. In those practices that are in keeping with God's word...it is good! In those that aren't...it is bad. And that happens in just about every denomination. Pretty much all of them, I'm confident that we'll find out have some error. Just as Jesus pointed out to those early fellowships in the first century, that Jesus sent the letters to, that John wrote to us about.
I agree if you're saying that all denominations have error.
However, I do want to say that I think the mormons are really out in left field,
and ditto for the reformed.
The churches of the world are all subject to error. The more they stick to Scripture and not the determinations of men, as the Jewish leadership did, then all will be well with that fellowship. The Catholic organization is not one of them.
I don't agree. The Catholic church kept the faith the first few hundred years or we wouldn't be here.
It would have ended with gnosticism or arianism or who knows what else.
And the Jewish leadership didn't do so well either, did it?
Too many humans involved.
I think, if your understanding of the church is the general understanding of Catholics, that the 'church' probably needs to be defined better. The church is nothing more and nothing less than the body of born again believers living upon the earth. Those people will be from every tribe and tongue and nation and they will have practiced their faith in many, many different fellowships across the earth as they lived their lives.
The church is a bldg we attend to worship God.
The Church is the Body of Christ to all whom belong that are of Christ and born again of His spirit.
And trust me, for the individual believer who will be saved, he will not have to have practiced worship with some formal 'church' body upon the earth. The Catholic Church, despite your protestations, is not God's church upon the earth. It is just absolutely too full of sin in its practices to be so.
Joel Osteen may be full of sin, but his church can still function.
The church belongs to God...not to a man.
But, I'm confident that there will be some among that body who will figure out what God asks of them, and accomplish such while worshipping with a body of Catholics. There will also be some who figure it out that are today worshipping with Baptists and Methodists. Faith is not about belonging to some formal organization upon the earth. Faith...godly faith...is about doing what God has asked of us.
Amen.
Yes, I would certainly expect that you would after reading many of your posts. However, I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to believe something just because some woman in Italy named 'wondering' says so.
Agreed.
Be like the Bareans.
(but I don't really know what you're speaking of).
You likely don't agree with this, but do you know that the Catholic organization murdered many, many, many of the real believers several centuries ago based on this very position that you're making. Really!!!!! Jesus wants us to murder or torture or imprison those who don't agree with us? I don't think so. So, where did the Catholic organization
What position is that?
Of course I know the above.
The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews and Muslims. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions.
You really believe that's what God wants His church to be about?
God bless,
Ted
I'm talking about the church of today.
I think the reformation was necessary.
