OSAS

[JLB]

well of course you dont only the person who opposes your views right?

Only the person who opposes the the truth.


God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath. Romans 2:6-8


but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath.


It’s important for us to seek after, believe, understand, practice and teach the truth.

The words of Jesus Christ; the words of love.


I don’t consider my self wise in these things, however, I am much less foolish than I used to be.


I don’t consider myself mature in these things, however, I’m much less immature than I used to be.


Nevertheless, I press on...



JLB

 

[JLB]

The Demons “Define” and Tremble...

Demons define and tremble?

What in the world does that mean?

Brother, you asked me if I walk in complete obedience, so asked you to define what that means to you.

If you have no idea what that means then how will you evaluate my answer to you?


JLB

 

[JLB]

Do you understand what “hears” means?

The Demons “ hear” and Tremble.....

I thought the scripture said they believe and tremble.

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19


JLB

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Here’s a hint; read the context.

Thanks, Teach ......sometimes I wonder how I ever survived 40 years of Bible Study without your Loving, Guiding Hand.......

And NEVER forget—— the Demons “ read the context” and Tremble !”

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Actually, Jesus Christ is your Lord, and is the One who makes the rules, not you or I.

......Another Gem I was unaware of......Wow.....keep them coming....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

You should know that studying to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the word of truth in valves more that lifting one verse out of context and creating a doctrine around the one verse. Also redefining biblical words and terms to suit your pet doctrine is just another way of twisting the scriptures.

I could say the same words to you....Your arrogance precludes you from even imagining that.....time could possibly show that my understanding of God's Word is superior to yours..... I am NOT saying that it “ is”...... I am saying it “ might” be......you could live to regret talking to a more Mature Believer than yourself as a five year old that opened his Bible for the first time...... I , just as you, could be wrong about everything I think I know......All I request is that until the day comes that you can PROVE that I am “ Twisting” God’s Word, a heinous accusation in my opinion, please put an end to the Condescending Tone. Thanking you in advance....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

If you have no idea what that means then how will you evaluate my answer to you?

The Demons “ evaluate” ——and Tremble ...
Are you starting to get this yet?

 

[JLB]

I could say the same words to you....

You can say whatever you like, but you know in your your heart it’s not true.


You can look at my posts and see I have no intention of deceiving or hiding anything, but openly post the scriptures for all to examine, using context and corroborating scripture.


I fear the Lord, and tremble at His word, having no desire whatsoever to mislead any of His children in any way, concerning the doctrine of Christ.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


This is not a game to me.

The stakes are the souls of God’s people.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1


Wrong doctrine can lead God’s people, His children, away from Christ; to depart from the faith.


Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
1 Timothy 4:16

• for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you

JLB

 

[jerry63935]

However, when people teach things that are opposed to the doctrine of Christ, a false teaching that leads them to depart from Christ, or depart from the faith, then they are in danger of being rejected by Christ on the Day of Judgement;
ie; not inheriting the kingdom of God.

so your the judge of false teaching . i call your hand .just because you oppose osas does not make it false teaching...
they have their scriptures and you have yours . i totally disagree with the teaching speaking in tongues is the baptism of the spirit . you believe it is do i call you a false teacher/ promoting your pet doctrine? the entirety of your post has nothing at all to due with your statement pet doctrine . you post a lot about speaking the same thing. when in fact your attacking the person belief to counter yours to show your correct. everyone is entitled to believe how they want. to say you disagree is perfectly right to say.. but to say your twisting pet doctrine... you being mod you should try to promote unity find areas you agree. agree to disagree.,, i haven't seen any post saying its ok to depart from the faith or depart from Christ

 

[JLB]

so your the judge of false teaching

Scripture is the judge whether a teaching is from Christ or not.


JLB

 

[JLB]

i call your hand .just because you oppose osas does not make it false teaching...

OSAS is nothing more than The Lie, couched in modern day language.


And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12


The Doctrine of Christ is the truth.


The Lie comes from the garden.

It‘s what the devil used to deceive Eve.


Go ahead and disobey God, you won’t die.

Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
Genesis 3:4


OSAS says you can live in sin and do whatever you want, because once your saved your always saved, so you will never perish.


He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4





JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Scripture is the judge

John 10:27-29 Christ teaching
so where is the false teaching ? straight up your dealing with interpretation

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

your off bases he gives eternal life no man can pluck us put of his hand these are Christ words . so are they wrong.. you want to add pre existing conditions .if we are connected to the true vine and have fruit then we are in him. sometimes a branch will need to be pruned back so other fruit can grow . you should read secrets of the vine and do the Bible study on it. it will do things like never before .the prayer of JABEZ IS GOOD VERY POWERFUL . a true child of God will remain and if they wander off Christ will bring them back in . if one never returns there is great possibility they never was in the fold

 

[jerry63935]

OSAS is nothing more than The Lie, couched in modern day language.

PROVE IT USING THEM EXACT WORDS IN SCRIPTURE your banking on theory and grasping at thin air . i really could careless what year it was allegedly introduced .the scriptures show eternal life

Definition of eternal
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: having infinite duration : EVERLASTINGeternal damnation
b: of or relating to eternity
c: characterized by abiding fellowship with Godgood teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?— Mark 10:17 (Revised Standard Version)

 

[jerry63935]

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4

notice the word says matthew 7 not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord . Jim jones says/said he was of God ? i can put on a foot ball uniform and say i am a foot ball player to ..proverbs there is a way which SEEMS right

 

[JLB]

John 10:27-29 Christ teaching
so where is the false teaching ? straight up your dealing with interpretation

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Thank you for posting scripture.


The condition for receiving eternal life —

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


The promise for meeting the condition —

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


Do you know what “hear” means in this verse?

• Listen with the intent of doing (obeying) what is heard.

It’s easy to understand what Jesus intended, because the hearing must result in following.


Can a person disregard and ignore the Lord’s instruction and expect to follow him?

No. If they don’t listen and do what He says, they may become lost.


Here is another verse where Jesus promises the same thing for following Him.


So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:28-29

• you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This promise of destiny to reign with Christ in the age to come was given to all twelve apostles.


What does this say about what Jesus intended in this promise of following Him?


Does this mean the moment they start following Him, they have eternal life and will never perish, or does this indicate a following Him for life?


Where are we following Jesus today?


We are following Him along the difficult way that leads to life, whereby few find it.


Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:14




JLB

 

[JLB]

PROVE IT USING THEM EXACT WORDS IN SCRIPTURE your banking on theory and grasping at thin air . i really could careless what year it was allegedly introduced .the scriptures show eternal life

Definition of eternal
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: having infinite duration : EVERLASTINGeternal damnation
b: of or relating to eternity
c: characterized by abiding fellowship with Godgood teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?— Mark 10:17 (Revised Standard Version)

God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

again


Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. Matthew 5:28-29

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

Paul —

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

Jesus —

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

JLB

 

[JLB]

notice the word says matthew 7 not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord . Jim jones says/said he was of God ? i can put on a foot ball uniform and say i am a foot ball player to ..proverbs there is a way which SEEMS right

I agree.

“Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Matthew 7:21


JLB

 

[jerry63935]

The promise for meeting the condition —

sure i know what hear means can you hear me now ? BTW i am still waiting on the scripture that say NO LONGER SAVED.

We are following Him along the difficult way that leads to life, whereby few find it.

FEW FIND IT..THIS SAYS NOTHING ABOUT NO LONGER SAVED .

Can a person disregard and ignore the Lord’s instruction and expect to follow him?

No. If they don’t listen and do what He says, they may become lost.

this is not characteristics of the new nature i have seen miscarriages at the altar

 

[jerry63935]

God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

again


Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. Matthew 5:28-29

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

Paul —

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

Jesus —

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

JLB

still waiting on scripture no longer saved only 2 kinds people lost or saved either are or your not

 

[jerry63935]

lets not forget able to save to the uttermost
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.


Footnotes

1. Hebrews 7:25 completely or forever