OSAS

[Blood Bought 1953]

Their is One who justifies by the obedience of faith.



JLB

Even the Demons “Justify” and Tremble.....


“ Obedience to Paul’s Gospel” is the Paramount Act Of Obedience in this Post-Resurrection Age Of Grace.To “ obey” it means to Rest in it , to Rest in it means you don’t worry about your Salvation anymore......Jesus Said If you Believe That He DIED for your Sins and rose from the Grave ( PLUS NOTHING ! ) you are Saved.......Add to it or “Pervert” it , as Paul kindly warned , and you will “ Fall From Grace”—— That could mean Damnation.
Go beyond Believing and actually start Teaching a False Gospel and there are no “ coulds” about it—— You WILL be “ Accursed” and spend your Eternity in Hell.....VERY SERIOUS stuff! And you seldom if ever hear it in most Churches.....Satan must LOVE that !

 

[JLB]

You did not finish......what’s up with “ that ?” “What is the Will Of The Father?” Jesus answered His Disciples...... “ The Will of The Father is to BELIEVE in the One that He sent” Believe in Jesus— Nothing else.

So we don’t have to love God, or love our brother?


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


Do you know what believe means in the original?


Did you know unbelief and disobedience are the same Greek word?


Heres an example.


Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Hebrews 4:6 NKJV


Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Hebrews 4:6 KJV


Here’s and example of believe and obey being used interchangeably —


He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NKJV



He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB




Believe = Obey




JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus also said, “ My yoke is easy.....” so what is one to do?

Keeping His commandments are not burdensome.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3



JLB

 

[JLB]

Even the Demons “Justify” and Tremble.....

I think you mean... even the demons believe and they rear and tremble.


You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19



JLB

 

[JLB]

In a Public Forum you accuse me of dishonesty and insincerity in my Posts because you disagree with me and can’t out debate me and then try to turn the tables as if “ I” were the one that started with the disparaging remarks......you are quite a “Piece Of Work” aren’t you ? And a Mod.Sad.

Please copy and paste the post where I said you were dishonest and insincere.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Think again.....I am trying to “ shame and blame you” because you have earned it.....another nice attempt at deflection ......you could just man-up in Public and apologize ....

You can shame me all you like, but one thing you can’t do is bring shame on God’s word.


His truth endures forever.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32


My hope is if we continue in His word, we will eventually be free. I agree with the things He taught us about salvation.


I have learned from being a backslider that we need to take heed to His word and avoid associating with ungodly, ungodly places and ungodly things.


Also, there are things we can do to be proactive in strengthening out inner man to walk in dominion over the sinful desires of our flesh.


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. Galatians 6:7-9



JLB

 

[JLB]

How does a sane man argue with such clear-cut Scriptures like this—-“ ANYBODY that ASKS To Be SAVED ,

OK. Please present the scripture you are referring to and let’s discuss it.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Or how about this ? “ Those That hear my Word and Believe in the One that sent Me already HAS Eternal Life and shall NEVER come into Condemnation..”

Do you know what “hear my word” means?


JLB

 

[JLB]

Obedience to Paul’s Gospel” is the Paramount Act Of Obedience in this Post-Resurrection Age Of Grace.To “ obey” it means to Rest in it , to Rest in it means you don’t worry about your Salvation anymore......Jesus Said If you Believe That He DIED for your Sins and rose from the Grave ( PLUS NOTHING ! )

What about repent?


Does your Gospel have repent in it?

Repent is probably the most beautiful word in the Bible.


Do you know what repent refers to?




JLB

 

[JLB]

Add to it or “Pervert” it , as Paul kindly warned , and you will “ Fall From Grace”—— That could mean Damnation.

Yes. Agreed.

Falling from grace certainly means damnation; severed from Christ.


JLB

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Every verse of Scripture trotted out that supposedly shows that OSAS is erroneous has one of two Problems attached. The verses are either taken out of context or are verses not being addressed to the Body Of Christ. They can ALL be argued with.They can ALL be debated.
When it comes to verses that support OSAS the can’t be “ argued” about unless your opponent is very willing to twist himself in knots....
How does a sane man argue with such clear-cut Scriptures like this—-“ ANYBODY that ASKS To Be SAVED , WILL BE SAVED” or “ All Of Those That Come to Me through My Son, Christ Jesus.....I will SAVE TO THE UTTERMOST. Or how about this ? “ Those That hear my Word and Believe in the One that sent Me already HAS Eternal Life and shall NEVER come into Condemnation..”
God bends over backwards to Assure His Children that they are Forever Secure....How Much CLEARER Could He Be? It makes no difference.....Those with “ Stiff Necks” will always find a way to rationalize their Unbelief in the Promises Of God....

The verbs cometh or heareth or believeth are present tense denoting an ongoing, sustained action. And those that do have an ongoing hearing believing shall be saved.

The issue is about those that quit coming, quit hearing, quit believing. These will be lost. It is possible for a person to quit something they once had started. This presents a problem for OSAS supporters who try to devise ways to get around it.

Jn 3:16 KJV " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

Jn 3:16 NIV " For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

There are major differences between the KJV and the NIV of what is probably the most well known verse. One difference is the NIV leaves out the word begotten. But there is also another difference which is the one I am talking about. It's appears to be a slight difference but it is a major difference none the less. Do you see it?

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB

I “ Obey” The Son by RESTING in Paul's Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.....Just like I was Commanded to do in Heb 3 and 4......If I REST in it, If I TRULY BELIEVE that Jesus actually “ died for my Sins, I know that I can NEVER lose my Salvation.....what sins can I be damned for if Jesus died for them? People pay Lip- Service to the first half of Paul’s Gospel , But they don’t really Believe it.....It’s a Stumbling Block to those that want to boast about what “ They” did.....God wont have it.....He wants it so His Son receives ALL the Glory and we get NONE.....Just the way it should be....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB

I “ Obey” The Son by RESTING in Paul's Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.....Just like I was Commanded to do in Heb 3 and 4......If I REST in it, If I TRULY BELIEVE that Jesus actually “ died for my Sins, I know that I can NEVER lose my Salvation.....what sins can I be damned for if Jesus died for them? People pay Lip- Service to the first half of Paul’s Gospel , But they don’t really Believe it.....It’s a Stumbling Block to those that want to boast about what “ They” did.....God wont have it.....He wants it so His Son receives ALL the Glory and we get NONE.....Just the way it should be....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

So we don’t have to love God, or love our brother?

Not to be saved. The only thing we HAVE to do to get Saved is copy the example of the Thief on the Cross ......He “ changed his mind” , or In other words, Repented about who Jesus was . He started out just as Blind and Unbelieving as the other Thief. So what happened that got this repentant Thief saved? The Holy Spirit paid him a visit..... “ NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit draw him.” The Holy Spirit “ draws men” by the Conviction Of Sin.The Spirit convicted him as a Lost Sinner, “ getting what he deserved”. Why turn to the Savior if you are BLIND to the NEED for Him? The Spirit opens the eyes of the Blind Sinner.
When the Thief saw the need for Salvation, he turned with FAITH Plus Nothing to the ONE who could do the Saving......and the Thief got Saved. That’s also what we do..... “ Turn to Me and I will turn to you”....... That simple....
When A person gets saved and KNOWS it.......Nobody has to talk him into “ Loving Jesus.” It will happen , trust me.Over time, the same Spirit within you that opened your eyes to get this whole thing started will Transform your hard heart too a softer one that will Transform the most bitter person into one that will begin to Love others as they Love themselves.....We can’t do it....it’s The Holy Spirit “ Changing The INSIDE of the Cup”, conforming one into the “ Image Of God’s Son”......... It’s called Sanctification.....it takes time.....it happens AFTER Salvation because BEFORE Salvation you did not have the Holy Spirit in you that is responsible for all of these God-Pleasing things happening .....We must NOT put the Cart before the Horse......We don’t clean the House and then invite God in ......We invite God in and HE does the cleaning......God Bless......

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Jn 3:36 " He that believeth (present tense) on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not (present tense) the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. "

Those that believe and continue to belief unto death hath everlasting life. Those that quit believing and remain in that unbelief unto death shall not see life.

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Jn 3:16 KJV " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (present tense) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

Jn 3:16 NIV " For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

The KJV has it right with "should" which is subjunctive mood. The subjunctive mood is ...." is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances". Strong's.
So the idea is one may or may not perish depending on the circumstance one has an ongoing, sustained present tense belief or not. Those that continue to believe unto death should be saved, those that do not should perish. To get around this the NIV simply ignored the subjunctive mood replacing it with indicative mood (shall).
(The NIV also do this to John 6:40 replacing "may have" (subjunctive mood) to "shall have".)

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Hebrews 9:16-17 " For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. "

It's not until a time AFTER the testator dies does the testators will come into effect. Meaning Christ must first die before His NT came into effect. At the time Christ promised the thief he would be in paradise, both were alive living under the OT law of Moses. Meaning the thief is not an example of NT gospel salvation.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Hebrews 9:16-17 " For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. "

It's not until a time AFTER the testator dies does the testators will come into effect. Meaning Christ must first die before His NT came into effect. At the time Christ promised the thief he would be in paradise, both were alive living under the OT law of Moses. Meaning the thief is not an example of NT gospel salvation.

Good point, but I doubt if the Saved Thief haggled too much about which Covenant he was Saved under......lol
There could be more NT Gospel in this story than meets the eye...... The New Covenant is based on the Death, Burial and Resurrection Of Jesus and our Faith in those Facts.The Thief knew that Jesus was going to die on that Cross , Yet he said to Jesus, “ Remember me when you come into Your Kingdom”......This was proof that the thief believed Jesus would be brought back from the Dead......He had Faith in the Resurrection Of Jesus Christ— that is a NT Faith That will go a long way in getting you Saved......Combine That Belief with the Belief that “ Jesus was Lord” and one has fulfilled Romans 10:9—-New Testament, for sure...Technically, before the death of the Testator, But Jesus seemed to let it slide....if it worked for Jesus, who cares about technicalities ? The Faith Of The Thief was immense— everybody that was ever saved , no matter what the Spiritual Economy was, no matter what Age it was, Be it the Age Of Law or the Age of Grace was Saved by that Grace, working through Faith......

 

[JLB]

Good point, but I doubt if the Saved Thief haggled too much about which Covenant he was Saved under......lol
There could be more NT Gospel in this story than meets the eye...... The New Covenant is based on the Death, Burial and Resurrection Of Jesus and our Faith in those Facts.The Thief knew that Jesus was going to die on that Cross , Yet he said to Jesus, “ Remember me when you come into Your Kingdom”......This was proof that the thief believed Jesus would be brought back from the Dead......He had Faith in the Resurrection Of Jesus Christ— that is a NT Faith That will go a long way in getting you Saved......Combine That Belief with the Belief that “ Jesus was Lord” and one has fulfilled Romans 10:9—-New Testament, for sure...Technically, before the death of the Testator, But Jesus seemed to let it slide....if it worked for Jesus, who cares about technicalities ? The Faith Of The Thief was immense— everybody that was ever saved , no matter what the Spiritual Economy was, no matter what Age it was, Be it the Age Of Law or the Age of Grace was Saved by that Grace, working through Faith......

Jesus admonished is to remain “in Him”.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



Why would anyone want to live in disobedience unto the Lord?



For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3



Keeping His commandments is how we walk in love.


His Commandments are not burdensome.




JLB

 

[JLB]

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB

I “ Obey” The Son by RESTING in Paul's Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.....Just like I was Commanded to do in Heb 3 and 4......If I REST in it, If I TRULY BELIEVE that Jesus actually “ died for my Sins, I know that I can NEVER lose my Salvation.....what sins can I be damned for if Jesus died for them? People pay Lip- Service to the first half of Paul’s Gospel , But they don’t really Believe it.....It’s a Stumbling Block to those that want to boast about what “ They” did.....God wont have it.....He wants it so His Son receives ALL the Glory and we get NONE.....Just the way it should be....

Now that Jesus is your Lord, do you obey Him as Lord, or do you obey sin ?


What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:15-16

• you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

JLB

 

[JLB]

So we don’t have to love God, or love our brother?

Not to be saved. The only thing we HAVE to do to get Saved is copy the example of the Thief on the Cross ......

Yes I agree concerning initial salvation, the way we are regenerated or born again, is by following the example of Paul, as the thief on the cross did.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10

• confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,

This is what the thief on the cross believed, and therefore did.


Now that we are born again, and “in Christ“, we are to live our life in obedience to the Spirit within us, rather than living as slaves to sin, that dwells in our flesh.


Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:12-14

• if you live according to the flesh you will die
• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live

again


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8

• For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
• but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

JLB