OSAS

[jerry63935]

My question remains.

but he keeps wanting to insult and attack me,

i have not insulted or attacked you . i have answered your question with scripture . what part dont you understand i am not interested in having dialogue with you. every time you disagree with someone you go to the hunt as to prove your right . if the forum wants to relax the rules of engagement .i will gladly answer your questions... but you will not like my answers trust me .
i will not be intimidated by any one how i believe. i do not have time for petty questions that dont amount to a hill of beans . over the years i had a woman get mad at me because i mentioned foot washing in a message. she wanted a meeting i went to she asked where i got foot washing from. i read from the Bible. she shut up she had a jezebel spirit

i did 90 days at a freewill baptist church standing in as a tye interim pastor.. after them 90 days they no longer wanted me. i asked if it was something i preached. the reply i think you are a man of God. but we want someone more laid back
iam what i am by the grace of God . i dont ask for man approval i only need be approved by God for he is my judge

i dont like being his way but you leave me no choice any thing that might resemble osas is attacked . my stance is a know so salvation

 

[jerry63935]

We don’t need to speculate

maybe you have but i have not speculated i only give scriptures .......

 

[JLB]

maybe you have but i have not speculated i only give scriptures .......

Not really Jerry.

You use scripture some, but mostly you rant about and carry on with a bunch of drama because you refuse to answer a simple question that you don’t like.

You ignore the scripture that doesn’t line up with your notions about salvation and make up things about those who are willing to embrace the whole council of God.

So please save the “I only give scriptures” narrative.

It’s totally false.

All anyone needs to do is read the last couple of pages of your posts to see the truth.






JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

i have shared and got silly replies he has said he would have fell into the category of osas. then changed it.. you in previous post had said you believe in eternal security after i explained it.. if i offer to do email correspondence then its my offer . btw I thought you was through with this post . you cant teach closed minds

The replies are not silly Jerry.
You have to try to understand better.

JLB said the very same thing that I would say and it's this:

IF,,,IF,,,IF,,,he went by PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (and this would be the same for me) he would have to say that once we are saved we are saved forever. OSAS.
Why? Because he and also I have been saved many years and have gone trough troubles and we still love and serve the Lord and we both cannot imagine leaving our Lord and Savior behind and live a life without Him.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER, HOWEVER,
Neither JLB nor I can go by PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
We must go by what the scriptures state.
The scriptures plainly state that if we leave our faith, we will no longer be saved because we need our faith in order to be saved...so if we leave our faith...we will no longer be saved.

The above is an easy concept to understand...
if you don't understand it....it is no fault of anyone else.

 

[jerry63935]

Not really Jerry.

You use scripture some, but mostly you rant about and carry on with a bunch of drama because you refuse to answer a simple question that you don’t like.

You ignore the scripture that doesn’t line up with your notions about salvation and make up things about those who are willing to embrace the whole council of God.

So please save the “I only give scriptures” narrative.

It’s totally false.

All anyone needs to do is read the last couple of pages of your posts to see the truth.






JLB

do me favor put me on ignore . i have watched you as a mod and to be honest i fail to see it . see if i jumped on the band wagon i can lose my salvation .i could be a follower

 

[JLB]

do me favor put me on ignore . i have watched you as a mod and to be honest i fail to see it . see if i jumped on the band wagon i can lose my salvation .i could be a follower

Jerry

Maybe this subject is not for you bro.


Im sure there are other subjects that you would prefer to discuss.


Thanks, JLB

 

[JLB]

We must go by what the scriptures state.
The scriptures plainly state that if we leave our faith, we will no longer be saved because we need our faith in order to be saved...so if we leave our faith...we will no longer be saved.

The above is an easy concept to understand...
if you don't understand it....it is no fault of anyone else.

It is extremely easy to understand, however some choose to blatantly ignore the truth, because they don’t want to know the truth because they don’t want to be free.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you remain in My word, then you are truly My disciples. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” John 8:31-32




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

blatantly ignore the truth,

and that truth would be your truth ?

 

[jerry63935]

Maybe this subject is not for you bro.

its a subject i have discussed many times .but you cant discuss when a brick wall is put in front all this because i wont answer yes or no .lets pull the ball in your court show me where we have the authority to judge a person salvation . we let the word of God do the Job . i wait on the scripture that gives me the authority to say to you or anyone else .you lost your faith or depertated . so your going to hell

 

[GodsGrace]

It is extremely easy to understand, however some choose to blatantly ignore the truth, because they don’t want to know the truth because they don’t want to be free.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you remain in My word, then you are truly My disciples. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” John 8:31-32




JLB

This is a very interesting verse...The truth shall set you free.
What does it mean? Free from what?
I think I'll start a thread on this.
I'll tag you in.
'night.

 

[JLB]

its a subject i have discussed many times .but you cant discuss when a brick wall is put in front all this because i wont answer yes or no .lets pull the ball in your court show me where we have the authority to judge a person salvation .

Judge another persons salvation?

That's funny. No one has ever judged anyone else’s salvation.


You just refuse to answer a question, then make up lies about the person you disagree with.


Brother, your drama is growing, all because you don’t desire honest dialog.


Please don’t post here anymore if your just going act childish and falsely accuse people, all because I asked you a question you don’t like.


Just be honest and say I don’t know the answer, or no a person who departs from the faith is no longer saved (if you were honest).


Anything but attacking me and making up lies.


Please.


JLB

 

[JLB]

This is a very interesting verse...The truth shall set you free.
What does it mean? Free from what?
I think I'll start a thread on this.
I'll tag you in.
'night.

Free from sin. That’s the context.

Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. John 8:31-36

Jesus Christ is the Truth.

Every word that proceeds out of His mouth is the Truth.

His Gospel
His Commandments
His Doctrine


The lie that deceives the mind in which people who believe it, remain in bondage to sin.

Free from THE LIE.

The truth is a weapon against THE LIE.


And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12


Do you know what the lie is?


Its what the serpent told Eve in the garden.


Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
Genesis 3:4

• Go ahead a disobey God (sin), you won’t die.

That’s why OSAS is a doctrine of demons.


It’s foundation is THE LIE.




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

just be honest and say I don’t know the answer, or no a person who departs from the faith is no longer saved (if you were honest).

that would be judging salvation .i cant prove when they would no longer be saved .it appears as you dont like the fact i wont give you a answer .first thing if they depart was they ever saved. ?

Go ahead a disobey God (sin), you won’t die.


That’s why OSAS is a doctrine of demons.

thats not what i have studied i certainly have never said that.. why do you keep insisting on osas i teach preach a know so salvation , is there something i am missing that i have to say i a osas teacher?
what does tos rules say? all this boils down to osas /eternal security .which imo is the biggest division rip in the body of Christ. i stand against such terms .its man made doctrine both sides use to create a argument . yes scripture plainly teaches there will be falling way some will depart. was they truly saved or was they just thinking they was. i dont need to answer the question. go back read the scriptures i gave wondering .tell me which ones you disagree with. the Bible says the way of a transgressor is hard. i dont plan on finding out . would you walk up to a person who has been out of church months .say to them you have departed from the faith. your going to hell?

 

[crossnote]

Do you believe a person who departs from the faith is still saved?

The assumption is that the person was truly saved to begin with (a professor rather than a possessor).

 

[jerry63935]

I like this. I do not have to obey the law, I am free to do what I like, when I like, how I like. But my heart is bound to Christ, love has captured my soul, my conscience is a slave to righteousness, I rejoice in things of God, so I desire to love and follow Him, so without knowing it I obey the 10 commandments because they are written in my mind and in my heart.

What so many claim in Christ is just a doctors medicine which they take to make them well, but their hearts are far from Him. It is clear by their words and behaviour, because though they say Jesus is their Lord, thorns and thistles sprout from everything they do.

I suppose this could be said to be the emotional reality in Christ rather than just the intellectual reality in theology and "good behaviour" like the pharisees loved, while being full of self indulgence and greed. Like all good salesmen they believed their own parading and hype, and thought the show was eternity in God.
God bless you

i am not one f these who believes in living how you want and still be saved. if were truly saved the Holy Spirit will prick our heart. conviction/chastisement . lets look at king david he had the affair after seeing bathsheba bathing . in the process she got pregnant .there is 2 strikes he looked upon her in lust {easyt done) he then sent for her. back to the child eh tried to cover it the affair make it look like her husband child . there is a lie .. strike 3 .that didnt work so he sent him out in the heat of battle and he was killed. strike 4 guilty of murder

. i am sure he felt some guilt .the real punishment came when God took the child.. David a man after God own heart .much like the prodigal son he came to his senses. this is why i say a true blue born again child of God will return. if not a big question for them. let a man examine himself if he is in the faith. so did he really have salvation or just in his mind.. i been in situations God convicted me.. i had to get things straight

 

[jerry63935]

The assumption is that the person was truly saved to begin with (a professor rather than a possessor).

exactly that is my point
Proverbs 14:12

“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

 

[jerry63935]

for the record i do not even like the term osas i prefer a know so salvation a old preacher man said once if you can get saved and not know it. you can lose it not know it

 

[crossnote]

Seems to me, a person that holds to OSNAS in effect is proclaiming that Jesus is not sufficient to save. IOW it takes my obedience to help Him out.

 

[crossnote]

for the record i do not even like the term osas i prefer a know so salvation a old preacher man said once if you can get saved and not know it. you can lose it not know it

I like to say if you lose your salvation, you deserved it, next time try His salvation.

 

[jerry63935]

I like to say if you lose your salvation, you deserved it, next time try His salvation.

there are so many arguments on this topic. i have heard it preached both ways. i am ordained gen baptist they are osnas . my self i was called to preach and that's what i do. i pastored a southern baptist church. not one time did i preach osas .just a simple Gospel. you get away from god you best be getting back. if your lost you need saved. yes i wa full aware what they believed. i also knew if i got entangled in church doctrine i would be a people pleaser