Power over sin by the Spirit of Grace

[JLB]

To walk in the Spirit one must walk in faith of Gods Righteousness.

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

If the Spirit is to lead you, you must obey what He is leading you to do.

Just because you had faith 25 years ago to believe the Gospel message, that does not mean you are walking in faith today.

Just because God spoke to Noah to build an Ark and Noah had faith, if Noah doesn't "move with godly fear" and build the Ark to completion, his faith is dead.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

Noah had faith when God commanded him, before the Ark was built, however he was shown to be righteous by the obedience of his faith.

By his works. The evidence of his faith.

Not the works of the law, the works of righteousness.

The working of obedience.

The obedience of faith.


JLB

 

[TOG]

What you are saying is that its not Jesus Blood that the sacrifices represented?

I said no such thing, nor do I believe any such thing. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth.

The TOG
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[Elijah674]

Yes the righteousness of faith, by the Spirit, there is no other. And did you notice the scriptures and their context? Of course not!
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (faith)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If you sin, then you are not righteous, and those under law are sinners.

Where is verse... [3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
--Elijah

So what is your point? Yes we live Godly and pure lives In Gods righteousness. "for sin shall not have dominion over you because you are not under law, but under grace" In righteousness we have power over sin, which was the first point of this thread.

What some believers fail to see or understand that it is the "free-gift" of righteousness and the power of that righteousness that overcomes the "flesh". So until one "receives the abundance of grace and free-gift of righteousness" and walks in that justified "spiritual" condition. They cannot be "in the Spirit" nor do they have real power over the sin that dwells in the flesh. Being "saved" is not a event it is a condition of the spirit that one must live in. The just shall "live" by faith.

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ro 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Being saved-justified is not a one time act, it is a condition and position of being "In Christ" To be "In Christ" is to be In Gods Righteousness.

"that I might be found "In HIM" not having my own righteousness.

Now one cannot biblically be "in the Spirit" unless they are in Gods Righteousness. A person seeking to justify themselves by any part of the law, are "carnal" even though they may be born-again and have the Spirit, they are in the flesh, and they cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Here Paul makes this point very clear, that as one receives Christ Jesus, so walk ye in Him. A believer receives by faith the Spirit and Gods righteousness. To walk in the Spirit one must walk in faith of Gods Righteousness. This is the Power over sin, the ONLY POWER. The Spirit is the ONLY source of righteousness.

I see that you and Jethro teach the same thing about the Lords 7th Day Sabbath. Are you an offshoot of his?

But it is a serious matter to be dumping the forth Commandment of His ten! Heb. 13:20 calls it eternal! Many thousands of folks died because of knowingly breaking His Sabbath.

And where in Heb. 3-4-5 is there hint of a change? Malachi 3:6 + Christ of Heb.13:8 tells us that there is no such documation!

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

What? It is called the obedience of faith, the law is not of faith. Legalism is not obedience to the gospel.
And of course "the just shall live by faith" a living faith is what has been presented, empowered by The Spirit of the Living God.

 

[George Muller]

I see that you and Jethro teach the same thing about the Lords 7th Day Sabbath. Are you an offshoot of his?

Are you trying to insult me?

I agree with Jethro and others when they are correct, I disagree when they are in error. The Sabbath is not a temporal day, it is the eternal "Day" of Gods rest.

 

[JLB]

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

What? It is called the obedience of faith, the law is not of faith. Legalism is not obedience to the gospel.
And of course "the just shall live by faith" a living faith is what has been presented, empowered by The Spirit of the Living God.

George, can you read?

I gave you an explanation of what I meant using Noah as an example.

There is no Law of Moses in the equation.

I clearly stated not the works of the Law!!!!!!!!!!

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

If the Spirit is to lead you, you must obey what He is leading you to do.

Just because you had faith 25 years ago to believe the Gospel message, that does not mean you are walking in faith today.

Just because God spoke to Noah to build an Ark and Noah had faith, if Noah doesn't "move with godly fear" and build the Ark to completion, his faith is dead.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

Noah had faith when God commanded him, before the Ark was built, however he was shown to be righteous by the obedience of his faith.

By his works. The evidence of his faith.

Not the works of the law, the works of righteousness.

The working of obedience.

The obedience of faith.


JLB

 

[George Muller]

What you are saying is that its not Jesus Blood that the sacrifices represented?

I said no such thing, nor do I believe any such thing. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth.

The TOG
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Here is your post, in which you claim the reason you cannot make the sacrifices demanded in the law, you did not mention the Blood of God, but only that you did not have a temple and a priesthood. Now if you would like to clarify your position, please do? Your words;


"You ask about sacrifices, but did you know that, according to the law itself, it would be a sin for me to offer a sacrifice? While the Tabernacle stood, it was the only place were people were allowed to bring sacrifices. Later, the Tabernacle was replaced by the Temple in Jerusalem. Neither of those exists today, so there is no place where a sacrifice can be legally made. Besides that, the people didn't actually make the sacrifices. They brought the animals, but it was the priests who killed them, cut them up according to certain rules and then offered them on the altar. Since I have access to neither a Levitical priest nor the Temple, I am not allowed to offer a sacrifice."

 

[Elijah674]

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

What? It is called the obedience of faith, the law is not of faith. Legalism is not obedience to the gospel.
And of course "the just shall live by faith" a living faith is what has been presented, empowered by The Spirit of the Living God.

George, can you read?

I gave you an explanation of what I meant using Noah as an example.

There is no Law of Moses in the equation.

I clearly stated not the works of the Law!!!!!!!!!!

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

If the Spirit is to lead you, you must obey what He is leading you to do.

Just because you had faith 25 years ago to believe the Gospel message, that does not mean you are walking in faith today.

Just because God spoke to Noah to build an Ark and Noah had faith, if Noah doesn't "move with godly fear" and build the Ark to completion, his faith is dead.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

Noah had faith when God commanded him, before the Ark was built, however he was shown to be righteous by the obedience of his faith.

By his works. The evidence of his faith.

Not the works of the law, the works of righteousness.

The working of obedience.

The obedience of faith.


JLB

An excellent post! But there is no way that he will see his error, 'me' thinks!

--Elijah

 

[reba]

Elijah the sun gives us our days and nights The SON is always light

 

[George Muller]

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

What? It is called the obedience of faith, the law is not of faith. Legalism is not obedience to the gospel.
And of course "the just shall live by faith" a living faith is what has been presented, empowered by The Spirit of the Living God.

George, can you read?

I gave you an explanation of what I meant using Noah as an example.

There is no Law of Moses in the equation.

I clearly stated not the works of the Law!!!!!!!!!!

One must walk in obedience to walk in faith.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

If the Spirit is to lead you, you must obey what He is leading you to do.

Just because you had faith 25 years ago to believe the Gospel message, that does not mean you are walking in faith today.

Just because God spoke to Noah to build an Ark and Noah had faith, if Noah doesn't "move with godly fear" and build the Ark to completion, his faith is dead.

Faith without the action of obedience is dead.

Noah had faith when God commanded him, before the Ark was built, however he was shown to be righteous by the obedience of his faith.

By his works. The evidence of his faith.

Not the works of the law, the works of righteousness.

The working of obedience.

The obedience of faith.


JLB

So what point do you think you are making? Its not obedience=faith it is the Obedience of faith. Legalism "obedience to the letter" is not faith. And of course a Living faith is a faith that "walks in the Spirit" just as Paul taught and I have promoted on this thread and others. So your use of the word obedience is an attempt to twist the truth of what New Testament obedience is. The letter kills, the Spirit gives life, "legalism" is not faith.

 

[TOG]

Here is your post, in which you claim the reason you cannot make the sacrifices demanded in the law, you did not mention the Blood of God, but only that you did not have a temple and a priesthood. Now if you would like to clarify your position, please do? Your words;

I answered your question. With your record for answering my questions, I don't think you're in a position to criticize.

The TOG
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[George Muller]

Noah had faith when God commanded him, before the Ark was built, however he was shown to be righteous by the obedience of his faith.

By his works. The evidence of his faith.

Now I agree that Noah built the ark in faith, so what point do you think this makes as it relates to legalism? Noah had no law but the "law of faith" Yes a living faith, but legalism is death and the law is the ministry of death, the law is not of faith.

 

[reba]

Because she is a Gentile not living in Israel.

I am not a heathen I serve the Lord I am one of His people .... No more a stranger but part of the .....

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[George Muller]

Here is your post, in which you claim the reason you cannot make the sacrifices demanded in the law, you did not mention the Blood of God, but only that you did not have a temple and a priesthood. Now if you would like to clarify your position, please do? Your words;

I answered your question. With your record for answering my questions, I don't think you're in a position to criticize.

The TOG
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Well I was pointing out the position you seemed to be taking, from the reading of your post. You seemed to take offense as if I had not presented your position in an honest way. I posted your words again to establish that indeed you do appear to suggest that a blood sacrifice would be acceptable to you if the temple and priesthood was available. So I assume this is your position, and your sin against the Blood of Christ.

 

[reba]

Hey guys this thread reads like it needs a time out..... cool off get your acts together... Any more I will close the thread....

It really is OK to have different thoughts and still be in the comforts of Christianity.

 

[TOG]

Well I was pointing out the position you seemed to be taking, from the reading of your post. You seemed to take offense as if I had not presented your position in an honest way. I posted your words again to establish that indeed you do appear to suggest that a blood sacrifice would be acceptable to you if the temple and priesthood was available. So I assume this is your position, and your sin against the Blood of Christ.

What you said was:

What you are saying is that its not Jesus Blood that the sacrifices represented?

You insinuated that I believed that the Blood of Christ is not sufficient. I replied:

I said no such thing, nor do I believe any such thing.

If you want to assume something contrary to what I have plainly said, then that's your problem.

The TOG
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[reba]

Hey guys this thread reads like it needs a time out..... cool off get your acts together... Any more I will close the thread....

It really is OK to have different thoughts and still be in the comforts of Christianity.

Sheesh

 

[George Muller]

What some believers fail to see or understand that it is the "free-gift" of righteousness and the power of that righteousness that overcomes the "flesh". So until one "receives the abundance of grace and free-gift of righteousness" and walks in that justified "spiritual" condition. They cannot be "in the Spirit" nor do they have real power over the sin that dwells in the flesh. Being "saved" is not a event it is a condition of the spirit that one must live in. The just shall "live" by faith.

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ro 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Being saved-justified is not a one time act, it is a condition and position of being "In Christ" To be "In Christ" is to be In Gods Righteousness.

"that I might be found "In HIM" not having my own righteousness.

Now one cannot biblically be "in the Spirit" unless they are in Gods Righteousness. A person seeking to justify themselves by any part of the law, are "carnal" even though they may be born-again and have the Spirit, they are in the flesh, and they cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Here Paul makes this point very clear, that as one receives Christ Jesus, so walk ye in Him. A believer receives by faith the Spirit and Gods righteousness. To walk in the Spirit one must walk in faith of Gods Righteousness. This is the Power over sin, the ONLY POWER. The Spirit is the ONLY source of righteousness.

I will try to get the thread back on track? Does anyone have a comment on how to overcome sin? Is there any way accept by the Spirit of Grace?

 

[Elijah674]

I see that you and Jethro teach the same thing about the Lords 7th Day Sabbath. Are you an offshoot of his?

Are you trying to insult me?

I agree with Jethro and others when they are correct, I disagree when they are in error. The Sabbath is not a temporal day, it is the eternal "Day" of Gods rest.

No, not really at all! There seems like there is sincerity there even if he lacks all morality. And I did take the remark as a jab at his character! But the question is still there so what does this mean?
And is that a yes or a no?

--Elijah

PS: And on your last 'fixation' needs scripture backing!

 

[iLOVE]

Christ is the Source, but the Cross is the means! Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:24 NKJV