Power over sin by the Spirit of Grace

[TOG]

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Thank you for that verse. I try not to let others judge me for keeping the Sabbath. I leave that up to God. But some people, both here and those I know in real life, seem determined to judge me for my obedience to God's word.

The TOG
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By God's word do you mean -

8 Six days you shall eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a sacred assembly to the Lord your God. You shall do no work on it. Deuteronomy 16:8

Do you eat any leavened bread during the week of unleavened bread?


JLB

Yes, that would be one example. This is a case of someone trying to judge me by picking a little-known and even less-kept commandment and accusing me of breaking it (at least, that's how it looks to me, I apologize if I have misunderstood). If you're trying to shoot me down, you missed. I don't eat leavened bread during those days. Not only that, but I go all the way, as the Bible tells us to, and make sure that there is no leaven left in my apartment when Passover comes, and make sure to only buy bread without any leaven (yeast or other raising agent) for the duration of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

The TOG
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[TOG]

Funny how these guys who "claim" to keep the law are always making up reasons why they don't keep "ALL" of it. When the Lord said "EVERY JOT AND TITTLE" and Paul wrote "ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW".

Next time you might want to wait for my answer before you reply.

I don't eat leavened bread during those days. Not only that, but I go all the way, as the Bible tells us to, and make sure that there is no leaven left in my apartment when Passover comes, and make sure to only buy bread without any leaven (yeast or other raising agent) for the duration of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

The TOG
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[JLB]

His righteousness is the standard that is required and that is ONLY through faith and the Spirit of God.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

and again -

29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.1 John 2:29


JLB

 

[George Muller]

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Thank you for that verse. I try not to let others judge me for keeping the Sabbath. I leave that up to God. But some people, both here and those I know in real life, seem determined to judge me for my obedience to God's word.

The TOG
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By God's word do you mean -

8 Six days you shall eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a sacred assembly to the Lord your God. You shall do no work on it. Deuteronomy 16:8

Do you eat any leavened bread during the week of unleavened bread?


JLB

Yes, that would be one example. This is a case of someone trying to judge me by picking a little-known and even less-kept commandment and accusing me of breaking it (at least, that's how it looks to me, I apologize if I have misunderstood). If you're trying to shoot me down, you missed. I don't eat leavened bread during those days. Not only that, but I go all the way, as the Bible tells us to, and make sure that there is no leaven left in my apartment when Passover comes, and make sure to only buy bread without any leaven (yeast or other raising agent) for the duration of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

The TOG
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How about this?

De 16:1 ¶ Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

Are you keeping this command from God? Or was this only a shadow-type of Christ crucified? So then of course you do not offer what the law demands, but you pick and choose based upon your own desires, you neither honor the Law of Moses, nor do your Honor Christ and His work. Heresy plain and simple.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah it will have the SON

OK!;) (just for you) We will have country homes to live in. Then on the Seventh Day Sabbath will come for worship, and where there is NO NEED of the sun, for God will be LIGHT enough! Rev. 22:5

And where are we at the other six days? Isa. 65 tells us that also...

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

--Elijah

Jethro.. where do you even find a hint in Heb. 4 that God even suggested a change in His eternal law?? Malachi 3:6 & Christ in Heb. 13:8

It IS NOT THERE TO BE FOUND!

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

I don't eat leavened bread during those days. Not only that, but I go all the way, as the Bible tells us to, and make sure that there is no leaven left in my apartment when Passover comes, and make sure to only buy bread without any leaven (yeast or other raising agent) for the duration of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

I had a feeling that you did just that, which is why I chose that scripture.

Do you believe that Jesus is YHWH?



JLB

 

[George Muller]

His righteousness is the standard that is required and that is ONLY through faith and the Spirit of God.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

and again -

29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.1 John 2:29


JLB

Yes the righteousness of faith, by the Spirit, there is no other. And did you notice the scriptures and their context? Of course not!
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (faith)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If you sin, then you are not righteous, and those under law are sinners.

 

[George Muller]

I don't eat leavened bread during those days. Not only that, but I go all the way, as the Bible tells us to, and make sure that there is no leaven left in my apartment when Passover comes, and make sure to only buy bread without any leaven (yeast or other raising agent) for the duration of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

I had a feeling that you did just that, which is why I chose that scripture.

Do you believe that Jesus is YHWH?



JLB

I do! So are you and me friends now?

 

[TOG]

How about this? De 16:1 ¶ Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night. 2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there. Are you keeping this command from God? Or was this only a shadow-type of Christ crucified? So then of course you do not offer what the law demands, but you pick and choose based upon your own desires, you neither honor the Law of Moses, nor do your Honor Christ and His work. Heresy plain and simple.

Here is another instance of someone judging me based on my observance of certain days. And your shot too totally missed it's mark. If you're going to accuse someone regarding the law, then it would be better if you actually knew the law you were referring to. You ask about sacrifices, but did you know that, according to the law itself, it would be a sin for me to offer a sacrifice? While the Tabernacle stood, it was the only place were people were allowed to bring sacrifices. Later, the Tabernacle was replaced by the Temple in Jerusalem. Neither of those exists today, so there is no place where a sacrifice can be legally made. Besides that, the people didn't actually make the sacrifices. They brought the animals, but it was the priests who killed them, cut them up according to certain rules and then offered them on the altar. Since I have access to neither a Levitical priest nor the Temple, I am not allowed to offer a sacrifice. I can therefore honestly answer that I have fulfilled the sacrificial requirements God makes of me.

The TOG
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[JLB]

I don't eat leavened bread during those days. Not only that, but I go all the way, as the Bible tells us to, and make sure that there is no leaven left in my apartment when Passover comes, and make sure to only buy bread without any leaven (yeast or other raising agent) for the duration of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

I had a feeling that you did just that, which is why I chose that scripture.

Do you believe that Jesus is YHWH?



JLB

I do! So are you and me friends now?

I'm definitely down with you on this one.

Messianic Judaism does not teach Jesus as YHWH, but rather Jesus as Messiah, while denying His Lordship.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I can therefore honestly answer that I have fulfilled the sacrificial requirements God makes of me.

Thats what the Pharisee's thought too.

Saul of Tarsus did as well.


JLB

 

[TOG]

I had a feeling that you did just that, which is why I chose that scripture. Do you believe that Jesus is YHWH?

I agree with the site's Statement of Faith in this regard:

We believe that there is only one God, who is eternal and immutable, and manifests Himself in three distinct Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The TOG
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[JLB]

I agree with the site's Statement of Faith in this regard:

Do you confess Jesus Christ as YHWH, Lord of Heaven and Earth?


JLB

 

[TOG]

Do you confess Jesus Christ as YHWH, Lord of Heaven and Earth? JLB

I already answered that. Now answer me this. When did this thread become about accusing me and attempting to find holes in my theology? Can stop the personal attacks and get back to the subject?

 

[George Muller]

How about this? De 16:1 ¶ Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night. 2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there. Are you keeping this command from God? Or was this only a shadow-type of Christ crucified? So then of course you do not offer what the law demands, but you pick and choose based upon your own desires, you neither honor the Law of Moses, nor do your Honor Christ and His work. Heresy plain and simple.

Here is another instance of someone judging me based on my observance of certain days. And your shot too totally missed it's mark. If you're going to accuse someone regarding the law, then it would be better if you actually knew the law you were referring to. You ask about sacrifices, but did you know that, according to the law itself, it would be a sin for me to offer a sacrifice? While the Tabernacle stood, it was the only place were people were allowed to bring sacrifices. Later, the Tabernacle was replaced by the Temple in Jerusalem. Neither of those exists today, so there is no place where a sacrifice can be legally made. Besides that, the people didn't actually make the sacrifices. They brought the animals, but it was the priests who killed them, cut them up according to certain rules and then offered them on the altar. Since I have access to neither a Levitical priest nor the Temple, I am not allowed to offer a sacrifice. I can therefore honestly answer that I have fulfilled the sacrificial requirements God makes of me.

The TOG
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What you are saying is that its not Jesus Blood that the sacrifices represented? That His Blood alone is the Only acceptable sacrifice? You are saying that if in fact there was a temple, you would offer theses blood sacrifices?

Do you understand the complete wrath of God that is on those who account His Blood as common as animals? woe unto those who would ever do such a thing, and it shows the absolute rejection of Christ for one to even consider to offer another sacrifice. This is the fruit of legalism, this is the product of mans religion. All who look to the law, be aware of the blindness and the power of satan to deceive.

 

[JLB]

Do you confess Jesus Christ as YHWH, Lord of Heaven and Earth? JLB

I already answered that. Now answer me this. When did this thread become about accusing me and attempting to find holes in my theology? Can stop the personal attacks and get back to the subject?

Why do you feel like anyone is attacking you?

I asked you a simple question, which you have avoided by referring to the TOS.

If you can't confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, then there is a deeper problem.

If you can't write it out, that Jesus is YHWH the Lord God, then that's ok, no one is attacking you.

I can see why you believe what you do.


JLB

 

[Elijah674]

His righteousness is the standard that is required and that is ONLY through faith and the Spirit of God.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

and again -

29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.1 John 2:29


JLB

Yes the righteousness of faith, by the Spirit, there is no other. And did you notice the scriptures and their context? Of course not!
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (faith)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If you sin, then you are not righteous, and those under law are sinners.

Where is verse... [3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Do you confess Jesus Christ as YHWH, Lord of Heaven and Earth? JLB

I already answered that. Now answer me this. When did this thread become about accusing me and attempting to find holes in my theology? Can stop the personal attacks and get back to the subject?

What he or she is saying is "lets all jump on George" like we have been.

I think we all see what TOG is, and you others part-time legalist should see the fruit of legalism.

 

[George Muller]

His righteousness is the standard that is required and that is ONLY through faith and the Spirit of God.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

and again -

29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.1 John 2:29


JLB

Yes the righteousness of faith, by the Spirit, there is no other. And did you notice the scriptures and their context? Of course not!
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (faith)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If you sin, then you are not righteous, and those under law are sinners.

Where is verse... [3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
--Elijah

So what is your point? Yes we live Godly and pure lives In Gods righteousness. "for sin shall not have dominion over you because you are not under law, but under grace" In righteousness we have power over sin, which was the first point of this thread.

 

[George Muller]

Yes the righteousness of faith, by the Spirit, there is no other. And did you notice the scriptures and their context? Of course not!
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (faith)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If you sin, then you are not righteous, and those under law are sinners.

Where is verse... [3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
--Elijah

So what is your point? Yes we live Godly and pure lives In Gods righteousness. "for sin shall not have dominion over you because you are not under law, but under grace" In righteousness we have power over sin, which was the first point of this thread.

What some believers fail to see or understand that it is the "free-gift" of righteousness and the power of that righteousness that overcomes the "flesh". So until one "receives the abundance of grace and free-gift of righteousness" and walks in that justified "spiritual" condition. They cannot be "in the Spirit" nor do they have real power over the sin that dwells in the flesh. Being "saved" is not a event it is a condition of the spirit that one must live in. The just shall "live" by faith.

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ro 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Being saved-justified is not a one time act, it is a condition and position of being "In Christ" To be "In Christ" is to be In Gods Righteousness.

"that I might be found "In HIM" not having my own righteousness.

Now one cannot biblically be "in the Spirit" unless they are in Gods Righteousness. A person seeking to justify themselves by any part of the law, are "carnal" even though they may be born-again and have the Spirit, they are in the flesh, and they cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Here Paul makes this point very clear, that as one receives Christ Jesus, so walk ye in Him. A believer receives by faith the Spirit and Gods righteousness. To walk in the Spirit one must walk in faith of Gods Righteousness. This is the Power over sin, the ONLY POWER. The Spirit is the ONLY source of righteousness.