Self Righteousness

[Kidron]

We all know this.
The hope of the Christian is to one day be perfectly righteous in word and deed, not just in status, just as Christ is righteous in all he says and does. .

Exactly.
but when a person says that without the pursuit of this perfected walk, a Christian can lose their salvation, then we must switch the channel from this idea (Edit, ToS 2.4, "insinuation to belittle or discredit". Obadiah), and find truthful theology that does not discredit the work of Christ on the Cross, in favor of trying to save oneself by "works".

 

[Kidron]

This is by far the best worded post of this thread!


5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope." (Galatians 5:5 NASB)


JLB

See, this is the issue.

I"ll post 3 scripture that say you are righteous, why you are, when it occurred, and how it happened.
And if we compare it to your 1 scripture we see a contradiction. ??????????
But its not..
What it actually is, is a wrong dividing of the word (Edit, ToS 2.4, "insinuation to belittle or discredit". Obadiah)
Now my scriptures are applying to a Born Again person....right now.......right this second.
Your scripture is apply to something that is WAITING>, and you are trying to use it as applying to us in this world right now.
Your scripture is dealing with the final part of our redemption, and that that is why we are hoping for it, as its to come..<
And what is that?.....that is the end of our salvation, which is the "twinkling of an eye", CHANGE, where we get our new bodies which completes our redemption........ 1 Corinthians 15:51
Our Spirit man is born again NOW, but our bodies are STILL WAITING for the final change, and that is the "hope" of our Faith that Paul is talking about that you are applying (Edit, ToS 2.4, "insinuation to belittle or discredit". Obadiah) to "faith" in general, and that is why your scripture would seem to contradict my 3 that i posted.
Look:

Let me post these 3:

"""""But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness"""". ... Romans 4:5

""For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."".. 2nd Corin 5:21

""""""For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)"""" Romans 5:17

 

[JLB]

See, this is the issue.

I"ll post 3 scripture that say you are righteous, why you are, when it occurred, and how it happened.
And if we compare it to your 1 scripture we see a contradiction. ??????????
But its not..
What it actually is, is a wrong dividing of the word that you are committing..
Now my scriptures are applying to a Born Again person....right now.......right this second.
Your scripture is apply to something that is WAITING>, and you are trying to use it as applying to us in this world right now.
Your scripture is dealing with the final part of our redemption, and that that is why we are hoping for it, as its to come..<
And what is that?.....that is the end of our salvation, which is the "twinkling of an eye", CHANGE, where we get our new bodies which completes our redemption........ 1 Corinthians 15:51
Our Spirit man is born again NOW, but our bodies are STILL WAITING for the final change, and that is the "hope" of our Faith that Paul is talking about that you are trying to misapply to "faith" in general, and that is why your scripture would seem to contradict my 3 that i posted.
Look:

Let me post these 3:

"""""But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness"""". ... Romans 4:5

""For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."".. 2nd Corin 5:21

""""""For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)"""" Romans 5:17

Ok, let's start with this scripture, and see if we can discuss this, and possibly find some common ground.

For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope." (Galatians 5:5 NASB)

We await for the righteousness we are hoping for...

Can you at least see that there is a fuller expression of righteousness to come.

Which is exactly what faith is.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for... The very evidence of things NOT SEEN.

If you have faith in Christ for salvation, then you have the hope of salvation....

Which is why the scriptures says...

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21

Read that phrase -

that we might become the righteousness of God...

Become the righteousness...

That means there is some transformation work ahead of us.

Can you agree?


JKB

 

[JLB]

Exactly.
but when a person says that without the pursuit of this perfected walk, a Christian can lose their salvation, then we must switch the channel from this idea (Edit, ToS 2.4, "insinuation to belittle or discredit". Obadiah), and find truthful theology that does not discredit the work of Christ on the Cross, in favor of trying to save oneself by "works".

Faith that does not obey the holy command to repent, can not save.

You can not serve two masters.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I have good news for you, or any believer.
We have the "righteousness of Christ", the moment we are saved.
So as this certainly surpasses the "righteousness of the pharisees", then you can stop posting that scripture that has absolutely no relationship to a Christian.
Thx.

K

To the degree you are confirmed to the image of Christ, to that degree you have obtained Christ's righteousness.


JLB

 

[Kidron]

that we might become the righteousness of God...

Become the righteousness...

That means there is some transformation work ahead of us.

Can you agree?


JKB

If God has given me the "gift of righteousness", .... Romans 5:17

and if God accepts my FAITH as righteousness <> which is given to me because of my faith.... Romans 5:8

and if Romans 3:22 says that i NOW HAVE RIGHTEOUS....RIGHT NOW...NOW< NOW< NOW....the righteousness of God... (because i BELIEVE)
""""""Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"""

Then why do you think you dont have it yet?
Could it be because you dont understand that your body is not yet redeemed, while your Spirit man already is redeemed. ????
Could this be your confusion, regarding the "hope", you are describing ????.

 

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[Jethro Bodine]

This is by far the best worded post of this thread!

Well done brother.

This scripture from Galatians is a home run with the bases loaded.

5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope." (Galatians 5:5 NASB)


JLB

Thank you kind sir. :nod

 

[Deborah13]

For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope." (Galatians 5:5 NASB)

We await for the righteousness we are hoping for...

This is what I believe this verse is saying.
Gal 5:5 for we by the Spirit, by faith, a hope of righteousness do wait for,
There is a hope we are waiting for. It is the reward of the righteousness by faith, the glory of God.
Rom 5:1 Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have the access by the faith into this grace in which we have stood, and we boast on the hope of the glory of God.
What we have now is just a little bit of heaven/the kingdom but the hope that we receive by faith accounted as righteousness is the eternal glory of God or the manifestation of His kingdom.

 

[Kidron]

What we have now is just a little bit of heaven/the kingdom but the hope that we receive by faith accounted as righteousness is the eternal glory of God or the manifestation of His kingdom.

As well as your "Mansion" and your "new Body".
So, there are things that are hoped for that are to be delivered, later.
Absolutely.
But as for now, we are "Joint Heirs" with Christ, "seated in Heavenly places", while we type on this Forum.

Romans 8:17
Ephesians 2:6

 

[JLB]

If God has given me the "gift of righteousness", .... Romans 5:17

and if God accepts my FAITH as righteousness <> which is given to me because of my faith.... Romans 5:8

and if Romans 3:22 says that i NOW HAVE RIGHTEOUS....RIGHT NOW...NOW< NOW< NOW....the righteousness of God... (because i BELIEVE)
""""""Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"""

Then why do you think you dont have it yet?
Could it be because you dont understand that your body is not yet redeemed, while your Spirit man already is redeemed. ????
Could this be your confusion, regarding the "hope", you are describing ????.

Here it is again -

If you have faith in Christ's finish work for righteousness, Then you have the substance of the righteousness you hope for... While you learn to be led by the Spirit, and actually express the righteousness of obedience that each and every believer has been given the right to do, by God giving us His Spirit.

The same Spirit that Jesus Christ was led by, in which He obeyed and walked in the righteousness of obedience that we are called to walk in ourselves.

Let no one deceive you, he who practices righteousness, is righteous, just s He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

Do we have His righteousness when we are born again?

Yes, our past sins have been washed away, and behold all things have become new.

Can we live any ole way we want after having submitted ourselves to Christ as Lord?

Can we practice unrighteousness and disobedience to God and His kingdom and expect to still be declared as righteous ?

Paul and Peter clearly warn us that those who practice the works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I have posted the scriptures for this many times, and will do so again if you like.

We have been called to the obedience of faith.

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26


Faith comes by hearing God speak to you.

Faith is declared complete when you obey what God tells you to do.

Which is called being led by the Spirit.

As many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God. Romans 8:14


JLB

 

[Kidron]

Here it is again -

1.) If you have faith in Christ's finish work for righteousness,



2.) Let no one deceive you, he who practices righteousness, is righteous, just s He is righteous. 1 John 3:7




JLB

What i did was take two of your verses to easily show you how you are using the bible to contradict your point of view.

Look at #1.
In this verse, you are stating that righteousness is "Christ's finished work" that is imputed to us.
That is absolutely true, as that is SALVATION.

then[unnecessary dig (troll). ToS 2.4]..... you contradict Grace and the free gift of righteousness with a verse that you picked that would imply that works make us righteous.
that #2.

So, you cant be both.
Do you understand?
It cant be both.
You are ither MADE Righteous by the blood atonement ETERNALLY, or,..... you are righteous based on YOUR WORKS or "practicing righteousness".

[unnecessary comment aimed to trigger response. (trolling). ToS 2.4]

 

[JLB]

then,[unnecessary dig. (troll). ToS 2.4]..... you contradict Grace and the free gift of righteousness with a verse that you picked that would imply that works make us righteous.
that #2.

Please show me and the participants of this thread, where I stated "works make us righteous".


JLB

 

[Kidron]

Please show me and the participants of this thread, where I stated "works make us righteous".


JLB

"""""""Let no one deceive you, he who practices righteousness, is righteous, just s He is righteous. """"""""


If you need more of these type...."do works of righteousness to be righteous" that you posted to try to prove that works make us righteous, just ask.
Your next posts to me are surely going to be full of more of the same as you try to prove "works" = righteousness.
Ive noticed that this is all you do when you write to me, but i cant say for certain if it all you do.
But it might be.
(Edited, ToS 2.4,. Rudeness. Obadiah)

K

 

[JLB]

What i did was take two of your verses to easily show you how you are using the bible to contradict your point of view.

Look at #1.
In this verse, you are stating that righteousness is "Christ's finished work" that is imputed to us.
That is absolutely true, as that is SALVATION.

then, as you do constantly..... you contradict Grace and the free gift of righteousness with a verse that you picked that would imply that works make us righteous.
that #2.

So, you cant be both.
Do you understand?
It cant be both.
You are ither MADE Righteous by the blood atonement ETERNALLY, or,..... you are righteous based on YOUR WORKS or "practicing righteousness".

If i were you id go with #1, and get away from #2.

Your have been given a new born again nature that is compatible with being led by the Spirit, or is able to practice righteousness.

This simply means; we as born again believers are able to hear and obey God.

If you think that after confessing Jesus Christ as Lord, you can turn around and serve Satan, and still be declared righteous then you simply don't understand what the scriptures teach.


JLB

 

[Kidron]

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[JLB]

Let no one deceive you, he who practices righteousness, is righteous, just s He is righteous.

K

Pure scripture.

Let no one deceive you...

He who practices righteousness is righteous.

Irrefutable Truth!

JLB

(Please cite the chapter and verse references when you quote scripture. Obadiah)

 

[Kidron]

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[JLB]

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19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

...shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you know what happens to people who do not inherit the kingdom of God ?

Paul warns these Christians that those who practice such things as:

Witchcraft, idolatry, Adultry...

Do you believe Christians who practice idolatry will inherit the kingdom of God?


JLB