The 2nd Coming

[hawkman]

Then you guys quote Yeshua comming on a cloud

There is a reason us "guys" say that about a cloud . A cloud seems to be a theme that carried through from the OT .

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

And in Acts Chapter 1

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.

Numbers 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

Numbers 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

I do have a couple threads in the "unorthodox Christian belief's" that you might find interesting, one on the holy Bible and another on the origin of mankind.

It was never God's intention to confuse any of us; that is something that man did. I cannot provide "proof" in the Scriptures themselves; but the truth is here.

Great Actually that is the only forum room I wish to post on. HOWEVER, If I mention subjects as End Time, Theology, Bible, etc, Mods let me know, your post really belongs over on those Topic Rooms, , not on Unorthodox Ideas.
Thing is , as you guys know all my ideas are Not Orthodox = Heretic-Dox (aka Heterodox = Heresy).
and hardly anyone visits /posts much on Unorthodox Ideas.
What happens in my post on UNorthodox room, I may employ a reference note that seems to be of Theolohy/End Times, etc etc. But my main idea belongs on Unorthodox page, Due to the fact I am not a Fundamentalist./evangelicalist. ...I have issues with both these camps.
It is that room I feel most confortable.
Over there I can pretty much have free respectful speech.
But as I say too often many of my posts get FLAGED over there as **Not reveland to the topic** and censored in some way.
Most likely I will look for your topics and respond.
and stay over there and **test the waters** now the Mods know me better = Not here to cause any troubl,,,,so maybe I will get more considertion.
If the Mods care to cut off something they feel breaks rules, I have absoluetly no issues with that,,, .
I actually think its a wise thing to do.
However if they are getting complaints , maybe they are being overly fundamentalist, and thus not allowing Free Unorthodox speech. We must always keep in mind, Yeshua was not Orthodox, He Did not tote the party line. This is why the jews hated Him so much.
So even if my ideas may not seem biblical, bear with me, perhaps somemthing i say needs revision and or perhaps what I say may not line up w what you believe, but later on it might have something of value in my posts.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

There is a reason us "guys" say that about a cloud . A cloud seems to be a theme that carried through from the OT .

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

And in Acts Chapter 1

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.

Numbers 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

Numbers 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

I 100% agree., If I had more time i would share my trestimony of 2 days post Katrina,,,standing on my roof top, 2nd story, HIGH 2nd story at that,,, all the trees striped bare,, most down,, so i could acutally see south to the Gulf Of Mexico,,, where a lone cloud stoood tall and FEARSOME,, **wow look The Glory of God..** I actually saw God in the cloud = a bit exaggeration, but yet true....It was barely sunrise, lightenings flashing all within the cloud,, as God looked down and saw the great great greatr sorrows. The cloud was not fast moving but more stationary as the last whip if the westerly tail of Katrina created this mighty firey red cloud.
So I do not need to be convinced of God manifesting ina form of a cloud, No indeed.
I have the acutal experience
I also have the experience of God flashing as lightening across the sky, non stop for about 15 minutes, not down strikes streaks and flashes ACROSS from east to west, ,, the city had some flooding.
I know God's power in the wind, but thats another story or 2 and another time
God is in the wind,, even though Elijah said **God was not in the wind**, that is both yes and no,

 

[hawkman]

However if they are getting complaints , maybe they are being overly fundamentalist, and thus not allowing Free Unorthodox speech.

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[YeshuaGlory]

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Thanks
Now I partly understand, So each room has its own Mod, some are really forgiving(nice) , others are more strict..
GOT IT,,

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The truth is The 2nd Comming has been going on for quite some time,

The truth is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is part of our Lords' 1st appearing. His Spirit is not in us to condemn sinners,

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them Lk.9:56 KJV

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world Jn.3:17 KJV

People will be destroyed by His very Presence because they ignored how He should be received right now.

 

[electedbyHim]

Absoluetly not true
That my friend is a false doctrine
Sure we need the greek,
Amen to that.
But the meanings will not ever NEVER eteranlly (and you guys know I do not believe the afterlife is eternal, forever and ever) However in this case, forever and ever applies.
The scriptures = Bk of REv, will not ever never never just magically open up to whoever.
Only God can reveal the hidden meanings,
which is why all the YT vids I've seen over the past 15+ yrs havre been all garbage trash.
I know the meanings,
Had to be patient, but God has shown me the meanings and now is showing me the epochs in the future when these events will unfold.
1) The meanings
2) the time scale = epochs.

I know the 1st pretty good as much as i need to know now.
The 2nd, is finally finally coming to fruition,, but seeking more understandings of the unfolding /times of these events
The Bk of Rev is NOT a Hollywood movie script.
Sure glad I never watched many movies in my life.
Seems every verse I bring up **Yeshua will come but not as you think , imagine** Then you guys quote Yeshua comming on a cloud, **I will return exactly as you see me leave on a cloud of glory**
which seems to prove me wrong.
For nearly every scripture, i can find another or 2 or 3 that seems to contradict.
This is called
THe Paradoxes.
And you guys know exactly what I am talking about, Youve come across the countless paradoxes.
God intends this on purpose.
I know most of the symbols in Revelation.
I am not at all trying to be puffy nor arrogant. Do not misunderstand me.
I just have a bit of the prophet fever, The Zeal Of THe lord as it is called ,, it is in my blood.
I am not at all angry.
Its the Zeal of the Lord that makes me express in this manner.
Please understand

How do you know for certain what you believe is truth?

What if what you believe is wrong?

 

[JT4444]

Be very careful how this idea is being shared/taught.
There is no such thing as Yeshua comming sitting ona Cloud, and floating through the air , riding on top this cloud,

** Hey Jesus its really you, wow,, you came back just as you said, riding atop a cloud,,, hey can you come and visit ourr church , we meet on sunday 10am, but you can come early if you want,,,see you then..**
This is a type of imagery the evangelists want their group to envision. as if its set in stone.
The truth is The 2nd Comming has been going on for quite some time,
WEll since Yeshua went to His Father.
Every ntime Yeshua sends a out pouring = Yet another comming
These out pourings happen every 60 yrs since the bk of Acts.
1906 Azusa Street, Jesus Movement 1970;s and now as we approach yet another **2nd Comming** of Yeshua
Those who miss out receiving the spirit this outpouring will have to wait another 60 yrs.
Now that will be a time of great great tribulation the next 60 yrs.
Just look at the things Trump said past few days, and countless worship him. These things were spoken by the prophets, so we know with Israel in its last final battles, this is no time to hold ideas that are contrary to God's Kingdom.
The Rapture has been a ongoing process on 2000 yrs now. Look at Enoch, Raptured.. many gfollowers of Yeshua were murdered Now I l know Yeshua saved them in some way from their final moments = raptured.
So get rid of this false idea of &&pre trib/mid/post rapture** Thats all from the great antichrist John Darby.
2nd Comming is NOT a one time /one day event like a Hollywood movie script,
Rapture can happen anytime to anyone. Its not a **trib event*. The trib is what we all have to go through NOW,,and will intensify as the years roll on.
all souls will go through a trib one way or another at different times.
But we know of course there is a 3.5 yr intense trib the few remaining jews in Jeruslaem who escape into the desert caves when the gentiles invade and destroy Jerusalem. This is their great trib.
a remnant of a remnant will hold out, til Yeshua annihilates the gentile armies surround Jerusalem.
Now starts a longggggg recover of the few remnant survivors.
at that time the USA will be hardly noted as a nation.
In fact the great EQ that destroys Jerusalem will be same EQ that destroys every US city = No Washington DC. all US cities just piles of bricks.
So 2nd Comming as the evangelicals believe, is all Hollywood fantasy
Rapture, not premidpost trib. Thats Darby's nonsense, antichrist stuff.
It could and will happen to many souls over the course of the next 100 yrs.
Stay far away from **eschatology**

A second coming in which Christ doesn't return is anti-climatic and makes a sham of our faith. We're not in a world anything like what is promised after the Second Coming, so I doubt that you're spiritualized, unprovable virtual Second Coming is sound. No one witnessed what everyone was supposed to see.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

The truth is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is part of our Lords' 1st appearing. His Spirit is not in us to condemn sinners,

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them Lk.9:56 KJV

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world Jn.3:17 KJV

People will be destroyed by His very Presence because they ignored how He should be received right now.

Yes there is the super duper generous grace of God in Yeshua's 1st testimony,
Look at the theif (or do we really know why he was condemned/his life of crimes etc, No we have no bio on him) how Yeshua continued His Ministry even near death, vs the other guy, well he just could not believe any hope was remotely possible.
Consider Paul, allowed Steven to be stoned to death. Yet became our great Holy Prophet, super anointed by Yeshua.
Then in modern times we have Lonnie Frisby, given so many opportunities to change and repent. He never could gain the complete victory.
So Yeshua is very generous to some, others not so gracious.
Now as we approach the last eopch of gentile rule, we see Revelation , the Holy Judgements, = Grace is changing to Holy Judgements.
So I would not say we are to give grace so easilt, nor condemn as a strict judge,
But if Lonnie has real friends, maybe he could have gotten help, But he kept his secret hidden and the friends around him mfailed to detect something was not right. = Failure on both sides.
That entire JM was fruitless. Nothing to show for it.
WE are embassadors for Yeshua and should be gracious when called, and admonish, if sternly those not doing right.
Yeshua is coming as a Theif in the night, and He is NOW in His 2nd coming, NOW not future
= His 2nd Coming is in motion, NOT FUTURE
Stop reading Revelation as if its a Hollywood movie script.
His 2nd Coming is NOW.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

A second coming in which Christ doesn't return is anti-climatic and makes a sham of our faith. We're not in a world anything like what is promised after the Second Coming, so I doubt that you're spiritualized, unprovable virtual Second Coming is sound. No one witnessed what everyone was supposed to see.

I m not saying we are post 2nd coming and I am sating when Yeshua does fulfill what the scriptures do say will 100% will take place, (Its NOTTTTT a 1 day event = the 2nd coming is a EPOCHAL event, NOt Holloywoods movie script)
Read what i wrote above
The 2nd Coming is NOW, Not future,
The 2nd Coming epochal events is now, Not future
Not sure I can be any clearer.
I;m giving you guys you will not get out of any seminary nor book.
Count my testimony as a blessing.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

How do you know for certain what you believe is truth?

What if what you believe is wrong?

Only God can give you vision, hearing. Pray God gives you discernment.

EDIT Ohh I see what you are getting at
what if I am wrong and risk heavy Judgement's /Curses for putting words in Revelation (inaccurate meanings/wrong exgesis)) Then I am at risk for severe punishments and might be going ahead to dangerous waters..
God has not shown me this, God has not sent signs /dreams to correct my understandings = God';s Thumb Up = God's You are Good To Go.

 

[electedbyHim]

I can not help your doubts, lack of faith, Only God can give you vision, hearing. Pray God gives you discernment.

EDIT Ohh I see what you are getting at
what if I am wrong and risk heavy Judgement's /Curses for putting words in Revelation (inaccurate meanings/wrong exgesis)) Then I am at risk for severe punishments and might be going ahead to dangerous waters..
God has not shown me this, God has not sent signs /dreams to correct my understandings = God';s Thumb Up = God's You are Good To Go.

I have no doubts or lack of faith.

My past experience with many people who believe God talks to them, gives them signs, dreams, tongues, miracles and such, is and always has been concerning to me. I am talking about a lot of people from different denominations and backgrounds.

They always told me I was wrong about what I believed the Bible says, always said there was more than just the Bible God is revealing to them. All of them said as you do, my lack of faith and doubt. They said I needed to pray for wisdom, discernment, get filled with the spirit and you know, be baptized with the spirit.

Of course Holy Spirit within me, never convicted me of any of that. I was never on that spiritual pedestal that they all are on.

What was always interesting to me is that these people talked a good talk but their lifestyle never matched what they preached.

I have yet to see anyone actually prove what God has shown or told them.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

I have no doubts or lack of faith.

My past experience with many people who believe God talks to them, gives them signs, dreams, tongues, miracles and such, is and always has been concerning to me. I am talking about a lot of people from different denominations and backgrounds.

They always told me I was wrong about what I believed the Bible says, always said there was more than just the Bible God is revealing to them. All of them said as you do, my lack of faith and doubt. They said I needed to pray for wisdom, discernment, get filled with the spirit and you know, be baptized with the spirit.

Of course Holy Spirit within me, never convicted me of any of that. I was never on that spiritual pedestal that they all are on.

What was always interesting to me is that these people talked a good talk but their lifestyle never matched what they preached.

I have yet to see anyone actually prove what God has shown or told them.

well yeah
many of the JM movement spoke in tougues, but as far as spiritual understanding/practicing Yeshua's ways of life, as you say, They say one thing, yet if you observe closely, miss the meanings of Yeshua's words.
So we agree there.
Just be patient, If Yeshua wants you to see more things of the Spirit this will happen. But you must do your part.
The Jesus Movement did not produce any fruits, It was all show, no goods.
Think about how many people got suckered into watching that recent movie, Toxic movei, dont go ndear it. None of the script is true its all made up fantasy.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

I hate to say this; but wikipedia is not the best source of some information. The revivals of the past had nothing to do with what Christ was up to; and what the Second Coming is about.

I do have a question on this subject. The Bible says Christ will come as a thief in the night; but then it also says he will come floating down on a cloud. To me there is a big difference between "sneaking" and floating in the air?

Just now see your post, Agree Wiki = only bare facts, nothing more

Now
The cathars, Out pouring? Yes or No, No evidence of speaking in tongues + held unusal beliefs.
THe cathars is another topic another day
Forward to Anabaptists 1520's-1530's.
Out Pouring, Yes otrr No,
No evidence speaking in tongues,
However read Martyrs Mirror, WOW what a powrrful testimony, the scriptures poured out their mouths as they faced death like a mighty Holy Fount, UNREALLL
Fats foirward 1700's **out pouring** No evidence Tongues My belief it was all emotionalism, = no fruits, just excitablity
1760's, maybe a testimony of speaking in Tongues, can not recall, Mostly emotionalism
But one Out pouring that appears to be a Emotional human event, there is evidence of speaking in tongues, VERIFIED witness = Baptism of the Holy Spirit = Out POuring Yes.
1906 Azusa, Street Symore as pastor, powerful outpouring, speaking in tongues and healings.
1970's (actually late 60's things were moving) Speaking in tongues abundant evidence, thousands received this gift.
So I agree not all 1700's 1800's **Revivals** were authentic Baptism of the Holy Spirit, But the emotionalism was there.
Outpouring?? hard to say.
1906 Azusa and Jesus Movement true outpourings , but hardly any gifts of healing. I recevied 1 healing while laying in in bed 1 yr after the baptism, my ankle was healed. I felt the warmth rush.
The 2028 Out Pouring will be different from the 1970s.
I do expect gifts of healings 2028 Out Pouring
, as everyone today is suffering any number of illnesses, diseases, poor health , Near 100% of the world's pop has some issues. Minor to major.
But as I say God wll not perform as He did in the 70's,
He will do something different.
God Bless

 

[electedbyHim]

well yeah
many of the JM movement spoke in tougues, but as far as spiritual understanding/practicing Yeshua's ways of life, as you say, They say one thing, yet if you observe closely, miss the meanings of Yeshua's words.
So we agree there.
Just be patient, If Yeshua wants you to see more things of the Spirit this will happen. But you must do your part.
The Jesus Movement did not produce any fruits, It was all show, no goods.
Think about how many people got suckered into watching that recent movie, Toxic movei, dont go ndear it. None of the script is true its all made up fantasy.

I was not referring to the Jesus Movement.

The Lord shows me all He wants in His written word, Holy Spirit illuminates as He wills to me in His word. The Lord also uses men He has gifted as Pastor/teachers that are fluent in His written word.

There is nothing outside of the written word of God that needs to be learned. These men are not influenced by philosophy, humanism, psychiatry or any other secular influences. Just the written word of God

Am not familiar with any movie as i do not watch television or movies.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Yes there is the super duper generous grace of God in Yeshua's 1st testimony,
Look at the theif (or do we really know why he was condemned/his life of crimes etc, No we have no bio on him) how Yeshua continued His Ministry even near death, vs the other guy, well he just could not believe any hope was remotely possible.

His ministry of showing the love and mercy of our Father is still going on through His Spirit in us.

Consider Paul, allowed Steven to be stoned to death.

Paul didn't "allow" Stephen to be stoned. He was in favor of it. God allowed Stephen to be executed, but isn't in favor of it.

Yet became our great Holy Prophet, super anointed by Yeshua.

Paul said,

That I may know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Phl.3:10 KJV

Like Stephen knew Jesus,

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Act.9:4 KJV

Then in modern times we have Lonnie Frisby, given so many opportunities to change and repent. He never could gain the complete victory.
So Yeshua is very generous to some, others not so gracious.
Now as we approach the last eopch of gentile rule, we see Revelation , the Holy Judgements, = Grace is changing to Holy Judgements.
So I would not say we are to give grace so easilt, nor condemn as a strict judge,
But if Lonnie has real friends, maybe he could have gotten help, But he kept his secret hidden and the friends around him mfailed to detect something was not right. = Failure on both sides.
That entire JM was fruitless. Nothing to show for it.

I don't know who Lonnie Frisby is or do I care to. We are far better off today reading the scriptures for ourselves looking at how what Jesus and the Apostles said applies to my life and no one elses'. What He said is for all anyway, so why shouldn't I judge myself?

WE are embassadors for Yeshua and should be gracious when called, and admonish, if sternly those not doing right.

But that's correction, not condemnation.

Yeshua is comming as a Theif in the night,

Unexpectedly. Paul says in the blink of an eye our change will come. One flash over and that will be the end of mortality.

and He is NOW in His 2nd comming, NOW not future
= His 2nd Comming is in motion, NOT FUTURE
Stop reading Revelation as if its a Hollywood movie script.
His 2nd Comming is NOW.

No you've misunderstood the strength of our King in His (millenial) reign over His enemies. Jesus reigns in longsuffering over creation. What we should be learning is that Gods' way of having always reigned over people didn't change when He walked on earth as a human.

Yet he was merciful and forgave their sins
and did not destroy them all. Many times he held back his anger and did not unleash his fury! Psa.78:38 NLT

 

[JT4444]

I m not saying we are post 2nd comming and I am sating when Yeshua does fulfill what the scriptures do say will 100% will take place, (Its NOTTTTT a 1 day event = the 2nd comming is a EPOCHAL event, NOt Holloywoods movie script)
Read what i wrote above
The 2nd Comming is NOW, Not future,
The 2nd Comming epochal events is now, Not future
Not sure I can be any clearer.
I;m giving you guys you will not get out of any seminary nor book.
Count my testimony as a blessing.

You're clear and you're wrong. The Second Coming is not now. It will be seen by the world. The world will begin a millennial Sabbath when Christ does come again.

 

[for_his_glory]

YeshuaGlory

You have been asked to post the scriptures you use for what you say, but yet none have been given. You say scripture contradicts other scriptures and you talk about things that are contradictory to scripture as many of us have shown you with scripture that you seem to miscue them. You give no sources for what you have been taught or who literally teaches you so we can go read those teachings as it certainly is not the Holy Spirit and it's only a fool that will take and believe the words of others that give no source as to go read what they teach. Many false prophets have gone out into the world, can you prove to us that you are not a false prophet. You seem to take what Jesus gave to the Apostles to write making Him out to be a liar. You are very confusing in many things you say.

I do not say this to put you down so please do not take it that way as I do not know who you are , but many things you speak about clearly come against the full context of scripture as if I am hearing you right, you do not believe in them. I'm not asking you to leave CF, but to give us your sources.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[hawkman]

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[YeshuaGlory]

You're clear and you're wrong. The Second Coming is not now. It will be seen by the world. The world will begin a millennial Sabbath when Christ does come again.

WE use to think like this back in the 70's , we can all thank Darby Hal LIndsey as feeding this stuff.
I can see my understandings are not received around here. I am tired of trying toi explain.
Wish I could have ,,, that my seeds would have taken root, instead I get too much objections.
Yeshua knows I tried.
I said it is a physical Cloud comming event, But when? Not in your life thats for sure
ANDDDD Futhermore His Coming is NOWWW Not future.
What do you think,, in fact what is the greek title to Rev
Proof see below that Yeshuas JUdgekents (= Protesantism's 2nd Cloud appearnce)is a one day event but the real true meaning is THE UNVEILING OF YESHUA CHRISTOS.
That is the title of JOhn's bk.
= 2nd coming.
Thus get rid of protestantisms 2nd coming kooky image. That cloud event is deception

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/1-1.htm