The CURSE OF THE LAW

[ivdavid]

A brave new generation of text twisters... Anything that doesn't suit their theology is explained away or ignored. Have you noticed that I have cited Luke 1:5-6 a half dozen times, but STILL, people seem to think that "no one is righteous, no one can keep the Law"...

Would it make a difference if a person quoted the above after citing Rom 3:10;8:7-8 two dozen times and STILL, you believing that one could be righteous and obedient to the law?

There is man in the flesh and there is man in the spirit - Rom 3:10 etc. applies to man in the flesh - Luke 1:5-6 etc. applies to man in the spirit - I am unable to see a contradiction here that needs to be ignored by the text-twisters. How a man is created anew in the spirit from one who was in the flesh - whether by works or by faith - can be discussed further upon. But as concerning obedience and righteousness - we in the flesh, who are neither obedient nor righteous as per Rom 3:10 are indeed regenerated - for the very purpose of living a life unto God in righteousness and obedience as per Luke 1:5-6. To presume that any man in the flesh can be righteous and obedient is to deny Rom 3:10 and its associated theology.

 

[ivdavid]

As concerning the LAW, would everyone agree that there's a difference between -

the LAW(collection of commandments) that specifies
1) Committing murder is a crime.

and

the LAW(rule of principle) that
2) If you commit any act of crime, you will be hanged. If you don't, you shall live in peace and freedom.

If you are able to see the difference in usage of LAW in the above two statements, then I'd conclude that we in Christ are no longer under the LAW(2) as a rule of principle, from which we are redeemed by Christ's work on the cross - and yet we are redeemed for the very purpose of living a life unto God by upholding the LAW(1) of all His commandments as to His pleasure.

If this distinction is not seen and the same LAW is used, the debate has to continue with both sides being right when they say the LAW(2) has passed away and simultaneously that the LAW(1) is still in effect.

 

[JCitoL]

Well you seem to lump "believers" justified freely by His grace, and the world who are yet under the judgment and curse of the law and that which was laid upon all men through Adam.

So not sure you have made a biblical point at all?

For the believer who is IN CHRIST, they have been set free from the law of sin and death. They have entered into New and better agreements. The law of Life in Christ.

justified are who do not commit spiritual/religious iniquity at least, because God cannot justify those who still commit such, or how can a police officer praise a person who is caught that do a crime?!

Blessings

 

[Mitspa]

Well you seem to lump "believers" justified freely by His grace, and the world who are yet under the judgment and curse of the law and that which was laid upon all men through Adam.

So not sure you have made a biblical point at all?

For the believer who is IN CHRIST, they have been set free from the law of sin and death. They have entered into New and better agreements. The law of Life in Christ.

justified are who do not commit spiritual/religious iniquity at least, because God cannot justify those who still commit such, or how can a police officer praise a person who is caught that do a crime?!

Blessings

Im sorry but that is exactly what God does, HE JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY. for God made all laws and He decides what is just. Not sure how one could even try to make the point you are seeking to make? The book of Romans stands in complete contrast to your post.

 

[Mitspa]

As concerning the LAW, would everyone agree that there's a difference between -

the LAW(collection of commandments) that specifies
1) Committing murder is a crime.

and

the LAW(rule of principle) that
2) If you commit any act of crime, you will be hanged. If you don't, you shall live in peace and freedom.

If you are able to see the difference in usage of LAW in the above two statements, then I'd conclude that we in Christ are no longer under the LAW(2) as a rule of principle, from which we are redeemed by Christ's work on the cross - and yet we are redeemed for the very purpose of living a life unto God by upholding the LAW(1) of all His commandments as to His pleasure.

If this distinction is not seen and the same LAW is used, the debate has to continue with both sides being right when they say the LAW(2) has passed away and simultaneously that the LAW(1) is still in effect.

Idavid, I cannot see that the curse has been removed in the point of your post. The curse comes upon all who do not keep ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. by this standard all men are under the curse.

Only by the free gift of righteousness and abundant grace can any man be delivered from the curse of the law.
Now i do not see how your example lifts the curse of the law?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't be deceived by those who say the requirements of the law have passed away. We can tell if we have been doing right by whether or not what we do 'keeps' the law:

"8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right." (James 2:8 NIV)

"The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7 NIV)

You see, the law does indeed judge the outer man.


The continuing debt of law is seen in the Mosaic law, 'love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18). Love 'keeps' the commandments that some are sure have 'passed away':

8...whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:8-10 NIV)


That is hardly a passing away of the requirements of the law, but rather a fulfilling of them...when we obey through the Spirit and do that. But some insist the law has passed away.

What has 'passed away' is the law as a WAY to be justified and serve God. We now serve in the new WAY of faith in Jesus Christ, upholding the same moral law that the WAY of the law sought to do, but couldn't because of the weakness of man. What the old WAY could not do (uphold the requirements of God) is now done in the new WAY of faith in Christ.

The new way does uphold the requirements of God...that is, when we choose to do that. When we choose not to do that, the outer man is subject to judgment, while the inner man remains free of legal guilt and condemnation...provided that man is still persevering in the faith that justified him in the first place.

 

[Mitspa]

A brave new generation of text twisters... Anything that doesn't suit their theology is explained away or ignored. Have you noticed that I have cited Luke 1:5-6 a half dozen times, but STILL, people seem to think that "no one is righteous, no one can keep the Law"...

Would it make a difference if a person quoted the above after citing Rom 3:10;8:7-8 two dozen times and STILL, you believing that one could be righteous and obedient to the law?

There is man in the flesh and there is man in the spirit - Rom 3:10 etc. applies to man in the flesh - Luke 1:5-6 etc. applies to man in the spirit - I am unable to see a contradiction here that needs to be ignored by the text-twisters. How a man is created anew in the spirit from one who was in the flesh - whether by works or by faith - can be discussed further upon. But as concerning obedience and righteousness - we in the flesh, who are neither obedient nor righteous as per Rom 3:10 are indeed regenerated - for the very purpose of living a life unto God in righteousness and obedience as per Luke 1:5-6. To presume that any man in the flesh can be righteous and obedient is to deny Rom 3:10 and its associated theology.

Here I find we are in agreement, I would also assume the "new laws" you speak of in which we fulfill these good things we see in the law, are the laws of faith and love, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. In this case, I agree very much with other post as well.

 

[Mitspa]

Don't be deceived by those who say the requirements of the law have passed away. We can tell if we have been doing right by whether or not what we do 'keeps' the law:

"8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,†you are doing right." (James 2:8 NIV)

"The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7 NIV)

You see, the law does indeed judge the outer man.


The continuing debt of law is seen in the Mosaic law, 'love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18). Love 'keeps' the commandments that some are sure have 'passed away':

8...whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,†“You shall not murder,†“You shall not steal,†“You shall not covet,†and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.†10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:8-10 NIV)


That is hardly a passing away of the requirements of the law, but rather a fulfilling of them...when we obey through the Spirit and do that. But some insist the law has passed away.

What has 'passed away' is the law as a WAY to be justified and serve God. We now serve in the new WAY of faith in Jesus Christ, upholding the same moral law that the WAY of the law sought to do, but couldn't because of the weakness of man. What the old WAY could not do (uphold the requirements of God) is now done in the new WAY of faith in Christ.

The new way does uphold the requirements of God...that is, when we choose to do that. When we choose not to do that, the outer man is subject to judgment, while the inner man remains free of legal guilt and condemnation...provided that man is still persevering in the faith that justified him in the first place.

It sounds as if you are saying we are under the written code and are to be judged by the written code? Do you keep the standard of the written code?

No the law is a witness to love. The royal law is the commandment of Christ "to love as He loves"

Also if one attempts to keep the written code? they are cursed!
FOR CURSED ARE ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE NOT IN ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.

like Jesus said "EVERY JOT AND TITTLE"

so then James and Paul use the law and the written code as a witness ONLY!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It sounds as if you are saying we are under the written code...

No. We are not under the authority of the law to condemn the inner man as it could before our justification, or to keep us in the bondage of sin.

...and are to be judged by the written code?

Yes. Moral wrong doing in this world is judged by the law of Moses, and then some. This does not strip away your right standing with God...unless your disobedience is the result of a walking away from your faith in Christ's blood to atone for you and keep you justified before God.

Do you keep the standard of the written code?

When I walk according to the ways of the Spirit, yes, I uphold the standard of the law and then some. Don't you?

No the law is a witness to love. The royal law is the commandment of Christ "to love as He loves"

Law does witness to God's righteous love. That's why it condemns the (outer) man who violates it by not loving others. That man is, as James clearly teaches, a lawbreaker (reference provided on request).

Also if one attempts to keep the written code? they are cursed!

Any and all attempts, huh? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why are you not attempting to uphold the law?

It's interesting that my testimony of how I DIDN"T commit adultery was a curse to me. It resulted in quite the opposite, Mitspa.

FOR CURSED ARE ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE NOT IN ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.

...if you are trying to be justified by the book of the law. Do you understand? Prolly not.

...like Jesus said "EVERY JOT AND TITTLE"

What did he say? Share it so I can show you how out of context you are using his words. It doesn't even apply to what we're talking about here.

...so then James and Paul use the law and the written code as a witness ONLY!

Yes, they testify (like a witness) AGAINST your flesh when you do not fulfill, keep, uphold them. I dare you to argue the point. I dare you.

 

[Mitspa]

No. We are not under the authority of the law to condemn the inner man as it could before our justification, or to keep us in the bondage of sin.




Yes. Moral wrong doing in this world is judged by the law of Moses, and then some. This does not strip away your right standing with God...unless your disobedience is the result of a walking away from your faith in Christ's blood to atone for you and keep you justified before God.



When I walk according to the ways of the Spirit, yes, I uphold the standard of the law and then some. Don't you?

No the law is a witness to love. The royal law is the commandment of Christ "to love as He loves"

Law does witness to God's righteous love. That's why it condemns the (outer) man who violates it by not loving others. That man is, as James clearly teaches, a lawbreaker (reference provided on request).

Also if one attempts to keep the written code? they are cursed!

Any and all attempts, huh? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why are you not attempting to uphold the law?

It's interesting that my testimony of how I DIDN"T commit adultery was a curse to me. It resulted in quite the opposite, Mitspa.

FOR CURSED ARE ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE NOT IN ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.

Well by your own testimony you did commit adultry!
And you have not nor have you every kept the written standard of the law.

Did you not know the commandment before you commited this sin?
If so why did you look upon another woman to lust after her?

So indeed those who do not keep ALL THE LAW and yet seek to be justified in one part of the law, are under the curse of the law.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Well by your own testimony you did commit adultry!

Actually, no I didn't. If temptation is sin then Jesus is not the Lord and Saviour we are celebrating this weekend.

I never decided to entertain and accept the temptation. I fought it tooth and nail all the way. But even if I had sinned in my heart and decided to pursue it without actually doing it, forgiveness is still available through the blood if I chose to seek refuge in that.

I'm guessing you are young in the faith. You'll learn the difference between temptation and actually receiving something into your heart one day. Let's hope you'll abandon this false teaching that trying to keep the law is to make yourself accursed, because you will most certainly have to make a conscious decision to keep the law when you are tempted as Jesus was tempted in the things common to man. You'll see. Your day is coming.

And you have not nor have you every kept the written standard of the law.

Your thinking is so narrow. Why do you always think in black or white? You lack understanding.

I assure you, I did in fact uphold the requirements of the law when I resisted the temptation to adultery through reliance on God's help. Are you paying attention????? I'm giving you these subtle, but not so subtle, clues to help you see spiritually. But you're not seeing them.

Did you not know the commandment before you commited this sin?

How do you think I knew to resist it?

Through the law comes knowledge of sin. The Holy Spirit--the new WAY of serving God--was HOW I resisted it. I'm confident it would have been impossible for me to resist it through the ministry of mere written words--the old WAY of serving God.

If so why did you look upon another woman to lust after her?

Assuming you're not gay, the same reason YOU are attracted to a woman.

So indeed those who do not keep ALL THE LAW and yet seek to be justified in one part of the law, are under the curse of the law.

You apparently do not have a clue what it means to be justified. Not a clue. You are trying to teach something you know little about. You are what you so boldly claim me and others are in this forum. For all the teaching anointing you boast about, it is evident you simply do not know the truth about this subject. I could be bold and call you what you have called me and others.

 

[Mitspa]

See this is the VERY ISSUE in which the Lord confronted the pharisee (who THOUGHT they were keeping the written code)
That the standard is that even if one lust in their heart, they have broken the written code. Now for one to say that they uphold the law and yet are breakers of the law, is lawlessness.

No as Paul taught in clear terms, one must die to the law, and live not by the standard of the written code but by the standard of faith and love. Only when a "born-again" believer accepts that they cannot keep the letter are they free to walk in the Spirit.
For as we see the law "written code" produces sinful desires in the flesh. Those who look to the written code are always found to be sinners by that written standard.
Thus they are always cursed children as 2 Pet 2:14 says.

"Having eyes full of adultry"
For the strength of sin, is the law.

 

[ivdavid]

Ivdavid, I cannot see that the curse has been removed in the point of your post. The curse comes upon all who do not keep ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. by this standard all men are under the curse.

The Scripture you've quoted is obviously true - but look at the varied emphasis below -

"The curse comes upon all who do not keep ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW" - implies that all under LAW(1)[collection of commandments] are under the curse. This is the position I think you hold and that's why you ask me how we are no longer under the curse of the law when I stated that we all live unto God to obey His LAW(1) as spiritual Christians.

but let's change the emphasis -
"The curse comes upon ALL WHO DO NOT KEEP all that is written in the book of the law" - implies that all under LAW(2)[rule of principle] are under the curse. Here, the object of the curse is not the set of commandments - rather, the active agent doing those commandments. So, any person in the flesh who strives to do the commandments is under the curse of the law, ie LAW(2) - not because he's striving to DO THE COMMANDMENTS - but because he's striving to DO SO IN THE FLESH/SELF.

Such striving in the flesh is unto self-righteousness and merit - whereas our obedience is a consequence of grace and the righteousness of God. When we are in the spirit, it is no longer the self that is the active agent but God and God alone in the working out of His commandments in us.

I would also assume the "new laws" you speak of in which we fulfill these good things we see in the law, are the laws of faith and love, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Good things we see in the law? Are there any 'bad' things given in God's law? I guess that's where you face an issue in accepting the LAW(1) as valid now. I do not speak of any "new laws" - just the same old OT laws in their correctly intended spiritual connotation.

Most usually consider the laws on say "circumcision" as not part of the "good things of the law" - because of perhaps Paul's tirade against it in Galatians. But Paul meant every other law in the same vein if done in the flesh - he happened to find "circumcision" to be the most visible instances of upholding the self, which he did speak vehemently against. Let me elaborate on this -

LAW(1): You must be circumcised. [commandment]

LAW(2): If you(self) obey LAW(1), you shall have eternal life. If you(self) do not, you shall die. [rule of principle]

In the specific context of Gal 5:1-4, Paul seems to be preaching against circumcision(LAW1) itself - but Acts 16:3 indicates otherwise. It's not the act itself but the reason for the act. The Galatians were actually trying to uphold LAW(2) - by circumcising themselves and then holding such obedience of theirs ie their self as the cause of merit and self-righteousness to earn God's pleasure and hence eternal life. This was to deny God's grace in Christ's finished work - and Paul rightfully railed against it. But as seen in Timothy's case, the same law(1) was followed without being under LAW(2).

Am I then putting forth that all of us here are to also be circumcised when I say LAW(1) is still valid - yes, but in its intended spiritual connotation. Why did God institute circumcision in the OT - it was to be a foreshadow of spiritual things to come - namely, the spiritual circumcising of our hearts - not by the self, but by the Spirit. And this is valid today. Similarly with all the ceremonial laws of the OT - doesn't passover translate spiritually to our Good Friday and the festival of First Fruits to our Easter - and don't we mandate ourselves to observe our redemption from death by the smearing of the blood of Christ on the doorposts of our souls - and don't we observe the resurrection of the First Fruit which assures the rest of us in Christ that we'd too be gathered similarly in the final harvest?

So again, what are the "NOT good things of the law"?

(I'm in a rush now and have tried to write a lot in a very short time without rechecking - so if there are any disjoint ideas above, point them out and I'll clarify them in my next post soon enough)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

See this is the VERY ISSUE in which the Lord confronted the pharisee (who THOUGHT they were keeping the written code)

...PERFECTLY...who thought they were perfect and therefore justified by that law keeping perfection.

That the standard is that even if one lust in their heart, they have broken the written code. Now for one to say that they uphold the law and yet are breakers of the law, is lawlessness.

No as Paul taught in clear terms, one must die to the law, and live not by the standard of the written code but by the standard of faith and love. Only when a "born-again" believer accepts that they cannot keep the letter are they free to walk in the Spirit.
For as we see the law "written code" produces sinful desires in the flesh. Those who look to the written code are always found to be sinners by that written standard.
Thus they are always cursed children as 2 Pet 2:14 says.

"Having eyes full of adultry"
For the strength of sin, is the law.

Later today when I'm done with my brain surgeries I will straighten out this terrible misunderstanding you have. Not for your sake, unless God graciously opens your eyes to see the truth, but for the sake of others in this thread.

 

[ivdavid]

Quickly again, there are 2 questions :
1) What are we to do to be saved?
2) What are we to do once we are saved?

The Law(2) of works as seen in Lev 18:5 answered Qn1 with - "keep all the things of the law(1)". Christ's work gave us a new answer to Qn1 - "believe in Christ". And thereby Law(2) is no longer valid.

The answer to Qn2 is now - "keep all the things of the law(1)". This is not any additive work to Christ's work on the cross - to merit or maintain one's salvation. This is only to please God by doing His will in the spirit by His grace - and not by works of the self in the flesh. Here, we can see that the law(1) is still valid - as decreed spiritually.

 

[Mitspa]

Ivdavid, I cannot see that the curse has been removed in the point of your post. The curse comes upon all who do not keep ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. by this standard all men are under the curse.

The Scripture you've quoted is obviously true - but look at the varied emphasis below -

"The curse comes upon all who do not keep ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW" - implies that all under LAW(1)[collection of commandments] are under the curse. This is the position I think you hold and that's why you ask me how we are no longer under the curse of the law when I stated that we all live unto God to obey His LAW(1) as spiritual Christians.

but let's change the emphasis -
"The curse comes upon ALL WHO DO NOT KEEP all that is written in the book of the law" - implies that all under LAW(2)[rule of principle] are under the curse. Here, the object of the curse is not the set of commandments - rather, the active agent doing those commandments. So, any person in the flesh who strives to do the commandments is under the curse of the law, ie LAW(2) - not because he's striving to DO THE COMMANDMENTS - but because he's striving to DO SO IN THE FLESH/SELF.

Such striving in the flesh is unto self-righteousness and merit - whereas our obedience is a consequence of grace and the righteousness of God. When we are in the spirit, it is no longer the self that is the active agent but God and God alone in the working out of His commandments in us.

I would also assume the "new laws" you speak of in which we fulfill these good things we see in the law, are the laws of faith and love, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Good things we see in the law? Are there any 'bad' things given in God's law? I guess that's where you face an issue in accepting the LAW(1) as valid now. I do not speak of any "new laws" - just the same old OT laws in their correctly intended spiritual connotation.

Most usually consider the laws on say "circumcision" as not part of the "good things of the law" - because of perhaps Paul's tirade against it in Galatians. But Paul meant every other law in the same vein if done in the flesh - he happened to find "circumcision" to be the most visible instances of upholding the self, which he did speak vehemently against. Let me elaborate on this -

LAW(1): You must be circumcised. [commandment]

LAW(2): If you(self) obey LAW(1), you shall have eternal life. If you(self) do not, you shall die. [rule of principle]

In the specific context of Gal 5:1-4, Paul seems to be preaching against circumcision(LAW1) itself - but Acts 16:3 indicates otherwise. It's not the act itself but the reason for the act. The Galatians were actually trying to uphold LAW(2) - by circumcising themselves and then holding such obedience of theirs ie their self as the cause of merit and self-righteousness to earn God's pleasure and hence eternal life. This was to deny God's grace in Christ's finished work - and Paul rightfully railed against it. But as seen in Timothy's case, the same law(1) was followed without being under LAW(2).

Am I then putting forth that all of us here are to also be circumcised when I say LAW(1) is still valid - yes, but in its intended spiritual connotation. Why did God institute circumcision in the OT - it was to be a foreshadow of spiritual things to come - namely, the spiritual circumcising of our hearts - not by the self, but by the Spirit. And this is valid today. Similarly with all the ceremonial laws of the OT - doesn't passover translate spiritually to our Good Friday and the festival of First Fruits to our Easter - and don't we mandate ourselves to observe our redemption from death by the smearing of the blood of Christ on the doorposts of our souls - and don't we observe the resurrection of the First Fruit which assures the rest of us in Christ that we'd too be gathered similarly in the final harvest?

So again, what are the "NOT good things of the law"?

(I'm in a rush now and have tried to write a lot in a very short time without rechecking - so if there are any disjoint ideas above, point them out and I'll clarify them in my next post soon enough)

My friend I see you use the term law (1) and (2) This is unbiblical! The Law is not in two parts! Its every jot and tittle.
And we do see that the judgement of the law is replaced by the grace of Christ. We see that it is no longer "good" to keep an eye for an eye. But that Gods mercy is the accepted "law"

So we do see that those things written in the law, are not "good" for man. But we do see those things that are good and we use the law as a witness to those good things.

 

[Mitspa]

Quickly again, there are 2 questions :
1) What are we to do to be saved?
2) What are we to do once we are saved?

The Law(2) of works as seen in Lev 18:5 answered Qn1 with - "keep all the things of the law(1)". Christ's work gave us a new answer to Qn1 - "believe in Christ". And thereby Law(2) is no longer valid.

The answer to Qn2 is now - "keep all the things of the law(1)". This is not any additive work to Christ's work on the cross - to merit or maintain one's salvation. This is only to please God by doing His will in the spirit by His grace - and not by works of the self in the flesh. Here, we can see that the law(1) is still valid - as decreed spiritually.

Again not sure of your point at all?
Paul confronts this very issue in clear terms.
As you received Christ Jesus, so walk ye in Him. The condition does not change after one comes to Christ.
By faith one receives the Spirit and by faith one walks in the Spirit. The simplicity of Christ.

 

[Mitspa]

See this is the VERY ISSUE in which the Lord confronted the pharisee (who THOUGHT they were keeping the written code)

...PERFECTLY...who thought they were perfect and therefore justified by that law keeping perfection.

That the standard is that even if one lust in their heart, they have broken the written code. Now for one to say that they uphold the law and yet are breakers of the law, is lawlessness.

No as Paul taught in clear terms, one must die to the law, and live not by the standard of the written code but by the standard of faith and love. Only when a "born-again" believer accepts that they cannot keep the letter are they free to walk in the Spirit.
For as we see the law "written code" produces sinful desires in the flesh. Those who look to the written code are always found to be sinners by that written standard.
Thus they are always cursed children as 2 Pet 2:14 says.

"Having eyes full of adultry"
For the strength of sin, is the law.

Later today when I'm done with my brain surgeries I will straighten out this terrible misunderstanding you have. Not for your sake, unless God graciously opens your eyes to see the truth, but for the sake of others in this thread.

Well I am not the one who has issues with adultry.
For sin does not have dominion over me, because I am not under law, but under grace.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Well I am not the one who has issues with adultry.
For sin does not have dominion over me, because I am not under law, but under grace.

11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers..." (Luke 18:11 NIV)

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it." (1 Corinthians 10:11-13 NIV)

"...we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin." (Hebrews 4:15 NIV)

Remember this conversation when the day comes that you are suddenly confronted with how human and subject to temptation you are along with the rest of us (and Jesus was when he was on earth), and whom you condemn, for that day will surely come. And then you'll see if you'll take the way of escape God has provided so you can uphold the law and not sin.

 

[Mitspa]

Well I am not the one who has issues with adultry.
For sin does not have dominion over me, because I am not under law, but under grace.

11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers..." (Luke 18:11 NIV)

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it." (1 Corinthians 10:11-13 NIV)

"...we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin." (Hebrews 4:15 NIV)

Remember this conversation when the day comes that you are suddenly confronted with how human and subject to temptation you are along with the rest of us (and Jesus was when he was on earth), and whom you condemn, for that day will surely come. And then you'll see if you'll take the way of escape God has provided so you can uphold the law and not sin.

Well I am well aware that by Gods grace I stand.
Now you are the one who commited this sin, and you are the one who acted as if some how you had kept the law.
I only pointed out that you were in the same error as the pharisee. That Jesus confronted this very issue.
Now also, the fact that you somehow think you kept the law, while breaking the law? Proves you are not in a position over sin, as the scriptures teach.
Now the only way I will ever fall is if I move from grace back into self-effort and self-righteousness by the written code. Where you teaching would lead all those who would follow it.
I reject your words! and My God returns the reproach of your words upon your own head.