The CURSE OF THE LAW

[Deborah13]

Now no man but Christ, has EVER kept even the first commandment. Only those in whom God imputed righteousness was accounted to have kept that commamdment. So therefore no man is justified by the law.

Luke 1:5-6
King James Version (KJV)

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

If the Lord says they walked in ALL the commandments and ALL the ordinances and He found them blameless, I am not going to argue with God.
God said He found Job to be righteous and walking upright, again I am not going to argue with God.
These verses are not up for interpretation, they are very clear, in my opinion.
What did God tell Job? God did not point out faults in Job...He pointed out what Job could not do as a man and what He could do as the Creator. And He told Job that if he could do those things then God would admit the Job could save himself by his own right hand. To me that says that there is a righteousness that is unattainable by man even if he keeps the laws and ordinances and is found by God to be blameless, it is still not enough to save himself.

It is the grace of God by faith that we are saved. We must be given the Gift of righteousness. Our own righteousness no matter what we do, even obeying in faith because we know the Lord loves us and we love Him back, is not enough. Again we must be given the GIFT of righteousness, the righteousness of God, in Christ.
We can not earn a gift, if we try to pay back for it, it is no longer a gift. It is this righteousness that justifies. In my opinion.

So instead of arguing about, to law or not to law, I'd rather just convince people with the scripture that they are righteous in Christ and it's a GIFT. It is plain and simple in the Scripture. Can anyone be as righteous as God? uh..no.. so we need what Romans 5:17 says.

Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

In conclusion, again, if God gives one a gift I do not believe He will take it back for any reason, one would have to deliberately decide they no longer believed in salvation through Jesus and what He did at the cross and give the Gift back to God. My opinion.

Blessings to all, for the Lord loves us all dearly.

 

[JCitoL]

Well if a believer walks in the flesh, they will in effect reap from the flesh. But those who walk in the Spirit will reap life from the Spirit.
But they ARE NOT JUDGED BY THE LAW OF MOSES. but by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. Any believer who walks in the flesh, is not walking in life. Now no one who is looking to the written code of the law, can be in the spirit.

God has ways to correct His people, and those who know Him know very well He has a rod of correction. But this correction is not to put them back under the yoke of the law, and its curse. It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance, it is the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness.

The law and written code are not for the believer but for the non-believer and the sinner. That they might come to Christ and be saved.

you are right about the true salvation that is by grace, but even till now there were millions of systematic believers who traditionally did spiritual/religious iniquity after (the) old traditions of their denominations which thing suggests that maybe there is some serious omission in their faith, not that we judge, but it may turn out that there is a need of better repentance

Blessings

 

[Mitspa]

Now no man but Christ, has EVER kept even the first commandment. Only those in whom God imputed righteousness was accounted to have kept that commamdment. So therefore no man is justified by the law.

Luke 1:5-6
King James Version (KJV)

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

If the Lord says they walked in ALL the commandments and ALL the ordinances and He found them blameless, I am not going to argue with God.
God said He found Job to be righteous and walking upright, again I am not going to argue with God.
These verses are not up for interpretation, they are very clear, in my opinion.
What did God tell Job? God did not point out faults in Job...He pointed out what Job could not do as a man and what He could do as the Creator. And He told Job that if he could do those things then God would admit the Job could save himself by his own right hand. To me that says that there is a righteousness that is unattainable by man even if he keeps the laws and ordinances and is found by God to be blameless, it is still not enough to save himself.

It is the grace of God by faith that we are saved. We must be given the Gift of righteousness. Our own righteousness no matter what we do, even obeying in faith because we know the Lord loves us and we love Him back, is not enough. Again we must be given the GIFT of righteousness, the righteousness of God, in Christ.
We can not earn a gift, if we try to pay back for it, it is no longer a gift. It is this righteousness that justifies. In my opinion.

So instead of arguing about, to law or not to law, I'd rather just convince people with the scripture that they are righteous in Christ and it's a GIFT. It is plain and simple in the Scripture. Can anyone be as righteous as God? uh..no.. so we need what Romans 5:17 says.

Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

In conclusion, again, if God gives one a gift I do not believe He will take it back for any reason, one would have to deliberately decide they no longer believed in salvation through Jesus and what He did at the cross and give the Gift back to God. My opinion.

Blessings to all, for the Lord loves us all dearly.

So what does that scripture prove? They were before the Cross. Paul himself said he was blamless as touching the righteousness of the law.
Php 3:3-9
Rom 3:19-20

 

[Mitspa]

Now no man but Christ, has EVER kept even the first commandment. Only those in whom God imputed righteousness was accounted to have kept that commamdment. So therefore no man is justified by the law.

Luke 1:5-6
King James Version (KJV)

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

If the Lord says they walked in ALL the commandments and ALL the ordinances and He found them blameless, I am not going to argue with God.
God said He found Job to be righteous and walking upright, again I am not going to argue with God.
These verses are not up for interpretation, they are very clear, in my opinion.
What did God tell Job? God did not point out faults in Job...He pointed out what Job could not do as a man and what He could do as the Creator. And He told Job that if he could do those things then God would admit the Job could save himself by his own right hand. To me that says that there is a righteousness that is unattainable by man even if he keeps the laws and ordinances and is found by God to be blameless, it is still not enough to save himself.

It is the grace of God by faith that we are saved. We must be given the Gift of righteousness. Our own righteousness no matter what we do, even obeying in faith because we know the Lord loves us and we love Him back, is not enough. Again we must be given the GIFT of righteousness, the righteousness of God, in Christ.
We can not earn a gift, if we try to pay back for it, it is no longer a gift. It is this righteousness that justifies. In my opinion.

So instead of arguing about, to law or not to law, I'd rather just convince people with the scripture that they are righteous in Christ and it's a GIFT. It is plain and simple in the Scripture. Can anyone be as righteous as God? uh..no.. so we need what Romans 5:17 says.

Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

In conclusion, again, if God gives one a gift I do not believe He will take it back for any reason, one would have to deliberately decide they no longer believed in salvation through Jesus and what He did at the cross and give the Gift back to God. My opinion.

Blessings to all, for the Lord loves us all dearly.

So what does that scripture prove? They were before the Cross. Paul himself said he was blamless as touching the righteousness of the law.
Php 3:3-9
Rom 3:19-20

This same Paul who went about to destroy and kill Christ.
Did he love God with all his heart mind and soul?
No! the term "blamless" does not mean he kept the standard of the written code. It means that other people could not lay a charge against him by the law.

Rom 3:10-12 As it is written there is none righteous, NO NOT ONE: there is none that understands, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD. they HAVE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, they are unprofitable, THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO NOT ONE.

so to take this scripture from Luke and suggest that those who seek to justifiy themselves by the law, have some authority in the gospel, is just great error!

 

[Mitspa]

Well if a believer walks in the flesh, they will in effect reap from the flesh. But those who walk in the Spirit will reap life from the Spirit.
But they ARE NOT JUDGED BY THE LAW OF MOSES. but by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. Any believer who walks in the flesh, is not walking in life. Now no one who is looking to the written code of the law, can be in the spirit.

God has ways to correct His people, and those who know Him know very well He has a rod of correction. But this correction is not to put them back under the yoke of the law, and its curse. It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance, it is the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness.

The law and written code are not for the believer but for the non-believer and the sinner. That they might come to Christ and be saved.

you are right about the true salvation that is by grace, but even till now there were millions of systematic believers who traditionally did spiritual/religious iniquity after (the) old traditions of their denominations which thing suggests that maybe there is some serious omission in their faith, not that we judge, but it may turn out that there is a need of better repentance

Blessings

Well what they need is to be taken and taught Gods grace. Those who teach law and grace together are the problem in the chruch. Because when you mix law and grace you defeat the power of both. The strength of sin is the law. The power over sin is grace.
Rom 6:14 For sin will not have dominion over you, because you are not under law but under grace.

 

[Mitspa]

Lets look at Roms 8:1-4
there is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemned sin in the flesh
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit.

Now the term "righteous requirements" of the law is not in the scriptures.
This is not saying that we look to the written code to judge our spiritual walk.
It is saying that the flesh cannot please God, therefore we must walk in the Spirit by faith.

How do we know what the 'sin', and the 'righteousness' is that I've emboldened above that Paul is talking about?

Why does agreeing with Romans 7:7 NIV instantly mean a person is trying to be justified by the law that educates us what sin is? I showed you plainly where James gives us examples when he says the law judges us as to whether or not we've really been loving (walking in the Spirit), or not.

I have the abillity to know things. I have studied the Greek for years and have many programs and books on the subject, including a Greek parcing guide. But more than that I have the Spirit of wisdom and revelation.

Also James does not say we are "judged" by these scriptures he says if you keep the royal law, you do "well"

But a believer will be judged by the law of liberty.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has given me LIBERTY.

 

[cupid dave]

Gal 3:10-13
For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT CONTINUE IN ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM"

This is the main subject of the book of Galatians. That those who had been freely justified by the grace of God, and given the free gift of righteousness. Had now turned back into the written code, and to attempts to justify themselves by parts of the law.
Pauls point was that if you try to keep any part of the written code, you are subject to keep it all. And in this effort to earn, what God only gives by faith, a man has turned from the blessing of Abraham unto the curse of the law.
Take notice that it is ALL THAT IS WRITTEN- EVERY JOT AND TITTLE!
So this is Pauls point from the begining of this epistle. If any man preach another gospel other than His Gospel, they are ANATHEMA
Those who teach the law and legalism are in fact "anathema" They are the "cursed" children of 2 Pet 2:14

I think most people misunderstand the "curse" of the LAW pretty much along the same lines you illustrate for us here.

The reason the Law is like a curse for religion is that it sets up a cycle of establishing and even enumerating 613 bad things people could be accused of, or recognize as sins that they can then pay off, and pay for, by tithes, animal sacrifices, or Confession, absolution, and go along on their mere way, doing the same thing again and again every week.

This avoids a change of heart, which requires that a person see the Truth about what is happening.
It is why Christ is the new covenant that establishes him as the Truth we must let into our hearts and mind about how we do not serve god with sarifices and tithes, but with the mercy to stop hurting each other.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

In conclusion, again, if God gives one a gift I do not believe He will take it back for any reason, one would have to deliberately decide they no longer believed in salvation through Jesus and what He did at the cross and give the Gift back to God. My opinion.

Blessings to all, for the Lord loves us all dearly.

And I think that's what eternal security is all about. What you have on account with the Lord is eternally secure...as long as you leave what you have on account with him...and you don't live in Cyprus, lol.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It is why Christ is the new covenant that establishes him as the Truth we must let into our hearts and mind about how we do not serve god with sarifices and tithes, but with the mercy to stop hurting each other.

Did you know the law does have laws governing the heart? Contrary to what many think, the law does command how one is to be inside. But you are right, the externals of worship get all the attention. This is true even in this New Covenenant. People still resist matters of the heart, matters of character, and focus on, and take comfort in, doing the externals...church attendance, church programs, serving in one's gift, etc.

 

[Mitspa]

Gal 3:10-13
For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT CONTINUE IN ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM"

This is the main subject of the book of Galatians. That those who had been freely justified by the grace of God, and given the free gift of righteousness. Had now turned back into the written code, and to attempts to justify themselves by parts of the law.
Pauls point was that if you try to keep any part of the written code, you are subject to keep it all. And in this effort to earn, what God only gives by faith, a man has turned from the blessing of Abraham unto the curse of the law.
Take notice that it is ALL THAT IS WRITTEN- EVERY JOT AND TITTLE!
So this is Pauls point from the begining of this epistle. If any man preach another gospel other than His Gospel, they are ANATHEMA
Those who teach the law and legalism are in fact "anathema" They are the "cursed" children of 2 Pet 2:14

I think most peple misunderstand the "curse" of the LAW pretty much along the same lines you ullustrate for us here.

The reason the Law is like a curse for religion is that it sets up a cycle of establishing and even enumerating 613 bad things people could be accused of, or recognize as sins that they can then pay off and pay for by tithes, animal sacrifices, or Confession, absolution, and go along ontheir mere way, doing the same thing again and again every week.

This avoids a change of heart, which requires that a person see the Truth about what is happening.
It is why Christ is the new covenant that establishes him as the Truth we must let into our hearts and mind about how we do not serve god with sarifices and tithes, but with the mercy to stop hurting each other.

Thanks dave, for your points. I would say that many do not understand that the "divine nature" and "blessedness" that Paul spoke of in Gal 4:15 is upon a believer by promise alone.
"MY YOKE IS EASY AND MY BURDEN IS LIGHT" this is the Spirit of Grace that rest upon those who KNOW they are "freely justified by His grace" now any attempt to return to the efforts of the flesh to "earn" from God is in fact what the scriptures call "walking in the flesh".
The flesh strives to have the things of God and cannot receive them. The flesh at its desires are cursed. Thats why we MUST WALK IN THE SPIRIT.
James 4:1-3

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Lets look at Roms 8:1-4
there is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemned sin in the flesh
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit.

Now the term "righteous requirements" of the law is not in the scriptures.
This is not saying that we look to the written code to judge our spiritual walk.
It is saying that the flesh cannot please God, therefore we must walk in the Spirit by faith.

How do we know what the 'sin', and the 'righteousness' is that I've emboldened above that Paul is talking about?

Why does agreeing with Romans 7:7 NIV instantly mean a person is trying to be justified by the law that educates us what sin is? I showed you plainly where James gives us examples when he says the law judges us as to whether or not we've really been loving (walking in the Spirit), or not.

I have the abillity to know things. I have studied the Greek for years and have many programs and books on the subject, including a Greek parcing guide. But more than that I have the Spirit of wisdom and revelation.

Cool, but could you answer my questions, please?

Also James does not say we are "judged" by these scriptures he says if you keep the royal law, you do "well"

He says we are convicted by the law, in this case the law prohibiting favoritism:

"9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers." (James 2:9 NIV)

The law of favoritism (Leviticus 19:15 NIV) does in fact judge, the person concerning favoritism...among other things. If you don't 'keep' the law of favoritism you are judged and convicted by the law as one who shows favoritism, and as one who has not 'loved his neighbor as yourself'.

This is not a judgment regarding salvation (unless your sin is the result of abandoning, or never having, the grace of God in salvation), but is a judgment regarding the outer man--what you do on the outside--your behavior. You can not live in the liberty of the Spirit if you sin against the law. That's a judgment for this age, in this body.


25 ...whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed (not cursed) in what they do.

26 Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress (Deuteronomy 14:28-29) and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world (Deuteronomy 18:9-14)." (James 1:25-27 NIV)


Some insist 'not being under the law' means we are not subject to any and all laws of Moses and are not judged for breaking some of them. That is NOT what that means.

But a believer will be judged by the law of liberty.

Correct, the law of liberty is from the law of Moses:

"...love your neighbor as yourself." (LEVITICUS 19:18 NIV)

And as James illustrates, is fulfilled in various specific commands of the law, and we do right when we keep them and are blessed, not cursed for doing so.

28 “Be careful to listen to all these words which I command you, so that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 12:28 NASB)

 

[cupid dave]

I think most people misunderstand the "curse" of the LAW pretty much along the same lines you illustrate for us here.

The reason the Law is like a curse for religion is that it sets up a cycle of establishing and even enumerating 613 bad things people could be accused of, or recognize as sins that they can then pay off and pay for by tithes, animal sacrifices, or Confession, absolution, and go along ontheir mere way, doing the same thing again and again every week.

This avoids a change of heart, which requires that a person see the Truth about what is happening.
It is why Christ is the new covenant that establishes him as the Truth we must let into our hearts and mind about how we do not serve god with sarifices and tithes, but with the mercy to stop hurting each other.

Thanks dave, for your points.
I would say that many do not understand that the "divine nature" and "blessedness" that Paul spoke of in Gal 4:15

Thats why we MUST WALK IN THE SPIRIT.

..."IN THE SPIRIT" OF TRUTH...?
Right?

We must see the Truth in order to recognize that we hurt others by breaking laws against humanity, then change our behavior rather than paying a tithe, making Confessions, or claiming that Jesus forgives us because we SAY we accept Truth as our light into the world.

Christian America responded to the Truth preached by Rev Martin Luther King, and they were saved by the grace of that Truth frm hurting others when they repented, changed the Laws, and granted Civil Rights to all.

Correct?
The grace of Truth, that comes down from God, is what saved American Christians frm breaking God's Law to love they neighbor.

 

[Mitspa]

Sorry jethro your just wrong, and I am not going around this circle again.
James 2:7 Why do you blasheme that worthy name by which you are called? Jesus
What is His commandment? To love as He loves us.
The royal law is His Commandment. James uses the example of the law to show that one cannot just love rich folks and dispise the poor.
The law of liberty is that which Paul taught.
The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has given me LIBERTY from the law of sin and death.

The law of sin and death is the Ten Commandments written and engraved on stone. 2 Cor 3:7

So your just wrong.

 

[Mitspa]

I think most people misunderstand the "curse" of the LAW pretty much along the same lines you illustrate for us here.

The reason the Law is like a curse for religion is that it sets up a cycle of establishing and even enumerating 613 bad things people could be accused of, or recognize as sins that they can then pay off and pay for by tithes, animal sacrifices, or Confession, absolution, and go along ontheir mere way, doing the same thing again and again every week.

This avoids a change of heart, which requires that a person see the Truth about what is happening.
It is why Christ is the new covenant that establishes him as the Truth we must let into our hearts and mind about how we do not serve god with sarifices and tithes, but with the mercy to stop hurting each other.

Thanks dave, for your points.
I would say that many do not understand that the "divine nature" and "blessedness" that Paul spoke of in Gal 4:15

Thats why we MUST WALK IN THE SPIRIT.

..."IN THE SPIRIT" OF TRUTH...?
Right?

We must see the Truth in order to recognize that we hurt others by breaking laws against humanity, then change our behavior rather than paying a tithe, making Confessions, or claiming that Jesus forgives us because we SAY we accept Truth as our light into the world.

Christian America responded to the Truth preached by Rev Martin Luther King, and they were saved by the grace of that Truth frm hurting others when they repented, changed the Laws, and granted Civil Rights to all.

Correct?
The grace of Truth, that comes down from God, is what saved American Christians frm breaking God's Law to love they neighbor.

Well make no mistake, I do not believe any Christian can be a racist. But I do not hold the glory of the gospel to be held to such standards as the civil rights movement. The gospel is well above such things. But we can see the principles at work in the truths that MLK presented. But I do not hold him as a standard by which we judge the truth.
The law was given by Moses, BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Pauls point was that if you try to keep any part of the written code, you are subject to keep it all. And in this effort to earn, what God only gives by faith, a man has turned from the blessing of Abraham unto the curse of the law.

All this is true in regard to justification, not the blessings of the gospel in this life. To be blessed in the free gift of life God has given you, you must obey what he commands. Justification is not conditioned on obedience to the commands of God. The manifest blessings of the promise are.

Take notice that it is ALL THAT IS WRITTEN- EVERY JOT AND TITTLE!

You keep using this out of context. Jesus said to keep every jot and tittle and not to teach others to disobey event the slightest thing about them. But you keep saying not to, or else be cursed. I know what this means in my doctrine. Explain it in your doctrine.

So this is Pauls point from the begining of this epistle. If any man preach another gospel other than His Gospel, they are ANATHEMA
Those who teach the law and legalism are in fact "anathema" They are the "cursed" children of 2 Pet 2:14

Does it say the accursed of 2 Peter were Judaizers who taught justification by works of the law? Just wondering.

Thanks dave, for your points. I would say that many do not understand that the "divine nature" and "blessedness" that Paul spoke of in Gal 4:15 is upon a believer by promise alone.

For justification that is true, but for the manifest blessing of God in this life it is not true. That is conditioned on obedience:

25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do." (James 1:25 NIV)

It's important to keep the context of Paul's "righteousness apart from works" teaching, which is 'justification', not the manifest blessings of being in Christ in this age. But too many people have swept away any and all purposeful obedience to various commands of the law in the name of avoiding being cursed for doing so. This is the very misguided and erroneous teaching in the church that in effect turns the grace of God into a license to sin, which is a misnomer because there is no such thing as a license to sin. All sin is rebellion against God. There is no such thing as a license, an entitlement, to sin and not do what God commands in laws like 'do not steal', 'do not covet', etc.

 

[cupid dave]

James 2:7 Why do you blasheme that worthy name by which you are called?

What is His commandment? To love as He loves us..

The "worthy" name is Truth, isn't it?

Truyth was before Abraham and it was Truth throughout all ages that has saved men even before 32AD.
Jesus died in that name so we woukld see The Truth rise again.

Christ pernified Truth for us in the flesh, and the Truth is that Jesus reminded us,... that the Torah commands we love god and others.
It was the Torah that summed up to Lov God and love thy neighbor, the ild covenant.

But the new covenant was to be aware of the Truith, especualy that we do NOT behave in love for others.
The Truth is we serve ourselves, and our own self-interest.

It is this Truth that Jesus brought to us so that we could realize we failed Torah, and we did not come to love our enemy.

Accept Truth as the light into the world and be saved by Jesus was the gospel.
Wasn't it???

 

[Mitspa]

All this is true in regard to justification, not the blessings of the gospel in this life. To be blessed in the free gift of life God has given you, you must obey what he commands. Justification is not conditioned on obedience to the commands of God. The manifest blessings of the promise are.



You keep using this out of context. Jesus said to keep every jot and tittle and not to teach others to disobey event the slightest thing about them. But you keep saying not to, or else be cursed. I know what this means in my doctrine. Explain it in your doctrine.



Does it say the accursed of 2 Peter were Judaizers who taught justification by works of the law? Just wondering.

Thanks dave, for your points. I would say that many do not understand that the "divine nature" and "blessedness" that Paul spoke of in Gal 4:15 is upon a believer by promise alone.

For justification that is true, but for the manifest blessing of God in this life it is not true. That is conditioned on obedience:

25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do." (James 1:25 NIV)

It's important to keep the context of Paul's "righteousness apart from works" teaching, which is 'justification', not the manifest blessings of being in Christ in this age. But too many people have swept away any and all purposeful obedience to various commands of the law in the name of avoiding being cursed for doing so. This is the very misguided and erroneous teaching in the church that in effect turns the grace of God into a license to sin, which is a misnomer because there is no such thing as a license to sin. All sin is rebellion against God. There is no such thing as a license, an entitlement, to sin and not do what God commands in laws like 'do not steal', 'do not covet', etc.

Well that is your opinion. But the scriptures declare the strength of sin is the law. The power over sin is the Grace of God. So I think I will stick to the scriptures, you can believe whatever you like.

 

[cupid dave]

[

Well make no mistake, I do not believe any Christian can be a racist. But I do not hold the glory of the gospel to be held to such standards as the civil rights movement. The gospel is well above such things. But we can see the principles at work in the truths that MLK presented.

But I do not hold him as a standard by which we judge the truth.


The law was given by Moses, BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST.

Of course Rev Martin Luther King was NOT the standard of Truth by which we judge the Truth.
He stood only for a truth.

It is in these separate and incremental pieces of Truth that Christians are to rally in support of the entire spirit of Truth, which is our mediator with the Father.

The very GRACE of the father,his gift to mankind, is that men were made such that they could image Truth, mentally, since it is constantly provided by the force behind the ever unfolding Reality that sires such Truth.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...even till now there were millions of systematic believers who traditionally did spiritual/religious iniquity after (the) old traditions of their denominations which thing suggests that maybe there is some serious omission in their faith, not that we judge, but it may turn out that there is a need of better repentance

Blessings

I agree.

Mitspa where do we learn what many of the omissions are in the obediences of the saints these days? From where the does the guidance ultimately come by which we discern what saints should and should not be doing? I'm not asking how to do what we should be doing. I'm asking what it is that is lacking in our obedience and where the knowledge of that lack comes from.

 

[Mitspa]

James 2:7 Why do you blasheme that worthy name by which you are called?

What is His commandment? To love as He loves us..

The "worthy" name is Truth, isn't it?

Truyth was before Abraham and it was Truth throughout all ages that has saved men even before 32AD.
Jesus died in that name so we woukld see The Truth rise again.

Christ pernified Truth for us in the flesh, and the Truth is that Jesus reminded us,... that the Torah commands we love god and others.
It was the Torah that summed up to Lov God and love thy neighbor, the ild covenant.

But the new covenant was to be aware of the Truith, especualy that we do NOT behave in love for others.
The Truth is we serve ourselves, and our own self-interest.

It is this Truth that Jesus brought to us so that we could realize we failed Torah, and we did not come to love our enemy.

Accept Truth as the light into the world and be saved by Jesus was the gospel.
Wasn't it???

Not sure what you are asking me? No man can know the truth apart from the Spirit of God. The pharisee had a "form" of truth and knowledge that God rejects.

The gospel is that we are saved from the judgement of the law, and the curse of the law, through faith in Christ.

The law is not of faith. and those who look to the written code are indeed cursed by the law.