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The Heresy of Sinless Perfection as Held by Some Here

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So? “My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord. Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him. For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son he receives.” This is a quote from Prov. 3-11-12, that’s OT. The Father chastens his own.
In the OT, men who still walked in the flesh, were His own.
That has changed in the NT.
We now can walk in the Spirit.
It is written..."There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:1-4)
True converts don't "walk in the flesh".
 
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Then how can you tell the righteous from the unrighteous and the self-righteous?
The unrighteous still commit sin.
The righteous don't.
The self-righteous will eventually show their true colors.
“There’s none righteous, no, not one.”
Perfectly true...when written in the OT.
Jesus changed all that.
Thanks be to God !
I said it above that if you believe you can be perfectly sinless/righteous in this life, you’re already sinful and self-righteous, that’s called Pride, the sin of all sins that cast Satan out of heaven.
The "me" that would have had pride is dead.
Crucified and buried with Christ. (Rom 6:3-7, Gal 5:24)

This miracle is available to every man who will really turn from sin.
 
I will agree that is pride. Why even follow God's word, there is no need for sanctification at that point.

To say you are sinless is to put yourself on the same level as the Lord.

That is just pure sinfulness.
Even though Peter exhorts it ?
"But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;" (1 Peter 1:15)
Even though John writes of it ?
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." (1 John 3:2)
"And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." (1 John 3:3)

"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7)
And of course Paul..."Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:18, 22)
 
I will agree that is pride. Why even follow God's word, there is no need for sanctification at that point.

To say you are sinless is to put yourself on the same level as the Lord.

That is just pure sinfulness.
Even though Peter exhorts it ?
"But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;" (1 Peter 1:15)
Even though John writes of it ?
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." (1 John 3:2)
"And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." (1 John 3:3)

"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7)
And of course Paul..."Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:18, 22)
 
On the OT, men who still walked in the flesh, were His own.
That has changed in the NT.
We now can walk in the Spirit.
It is written..."There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:1-4)
True converts don't "walk in the flesh".
Then why are we still being disciplined by God if were are "true converts"? You do know that this quote is used in the NT to make a point, right? That's in Heb. 12:3-11, not in the OT anymore.
The unrighteous still commit sin.
The righteous don't.
The self-righteous will eventually show their true colors.
Only Jesus is perfectly sinless, nobody else is, all have sinned, all have fallen short of grace, all are broken and in need of salvation. Claiming anyone being sinless is blasphemy. "He who has no sin, let him cast the first stone." Did anybody cast a stone?
Perfectly true...when written in the OT.
Jesus changed all that.
Thanks be to God !
God remains the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, He is eternal, nothing is left to change.
The "me" that would have had pride is dead.
Crucified and buried with Christ. (Rom 6:3-7, Gal 5:24)

This miracle is available to every man who will really turn from sin.
No it hadn't. It's alive and kicking as you promote sinless perfection. You're a disciple of Nietzsche, not Jesus, and you don't even know it.
 
Then why are we still being disciplined by God if were are "true converts"? You do know that this quote is used in the NT to make a point, right? That's in Heb. 12:3-11, not in the OT anymore.
Are you being disciplined ?
Only Jesus is perfectly sinless, nobody else is, all have sinned, all have fallen short of grace, all are broken and in need of salvation. Claiming anyone being sinless is blasphemy. "He who has no sin, let him cast the first stone." Did anybody cast a stone?
Thank God that scenario changed at the resurrection of Christ.
Now we can all be non-sinners, righteous before our Creator.
God remains the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, He is eternal, nothing is left to change.
He won't change, though He has changed His mind on occasion.
But we can change.
Rebirth from His seed will accomplish that.
No it hadn't.
You hadn't turned from sin ?
Why not ?
It's alive and kicking as you promote sinless perfection. You're a disciple of Nietzsche, not Jesus, and you don't even know it.
Nietzsche can't free a man from sin, or the "flesh".
Jesus can do both.
Thanks be to God !

It is written..."For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matt 5:20)
"That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life." (Luke 1:74-75)
"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: " (Rom 3:21-22)
"That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom 5:21)
"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." (Rom 14:17)
 
Are you being disciplined ?
Aren't you?
Thank God that scenario changed at the resurrection of Christ.
Now we can all be non-sinners, righteous before our Creator.
If you truly believe that only are we saved at the judgement day, then you should know that only then can we be truly "righteous before our Creator". Until then, there's no one righteous, not one.
He won't change, though He has changed His mind on occasion.
But we can change.
Rebirth from His seed will accomplish that.
No, the final glorification in His millennial kingdom will accomplish that.
You hadn't turned from sin ?
Why not ?
Because I'm honest to myself. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." - 1 Jn. 1:8
Nietzsche can't free a man from sin, or the "flesh".
Jesus can do both.
Thanks be to God !
No he can't, and yet you faithfully promote his idea of "sinless perfection". Everytime you post "Thanks be to God," it's like that Pharisee - "God, I thank You that I am not like other men!" (Lk. 18:11)
 
Aren't you?

If you truly believe that only are we saved at the judgement day, then you should know that only then can we be truly "righteous before our Creator". Until then, there's no one righteous, not one.

No, the final glorification in His millennial kingdom will accomplish that.

Because I'm honest to myself. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." - 1 Jn. 1:8

No he can't, and yet you faithfully promote his idea of "sinless perfection". Everytime you post "Thanks be to God," it's like that Pharisee - "God, I thank You that I am not like other men!" (Lk. 18:11)




No he can't, and yet you faithfully promote his idea of "sinless perfection". Everytime you post "Thanks be to God," it's like that Pharisee - "God, I thank You that I am not like other men!" (Lk. 18:11)

Here is truth.
 
Aren't you?
I have nothing to be disciplined for, thanks be to God, the gift of the Holy Spirit, and a divine nature.
If you truly believe that only are we saved at the judgement day, then you should know that only then can we be truly "righteous before our Creator". Until then, there's no one righteous, not one.
I cannot usurp the Lord's judgement.
He will make it known to me if I lived righteously, or not, on the last day.
As for your Rom 3 citing, it was perfectly applicable when it was written...in Psalm 14.
Not anymore, thanks to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
No, the final glorification in His millennial kingdom will accomplish that.
It will be too late then.
You have heard about rebirth...right?
After the old you is destroyed, Rom 6:6, and the new you is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), the old you will no longer manifest itself.
Because I'm honest to myself. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." - 1 Jn. 1:8
You're honest in this case.
But you also don't seem to be aware of repentance from sin.
BTW, 1 John 1:8, (6 and 10 too), are written of those who walk in darkness-sin.
They don't apply to those walking in the light-God.
No he can't, and yet you faithfully promote his idea of "sinless perfection". Every time you post "Thanks be to God," it's like that Pharisee - "God, I thank You that I am not like other men!" (Lk. 18:11)
I haven't met someone who says Jesus doesn't have the power to do something, before now.

In just this post, you have revealed that you don't know about rebirth from God's seed, repentance from sin, or how powerful Jesus is.
If you want some insights on those topics, I may be able to help you.
 
Here is truth.
Jesus said..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:32-34.
Has "your" truth made you free from service to sin ?
 
Jesus said..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:32-34.
Has "your" truth made you free from service to sin ?
You have made your own truth.

Well known Pastors and Theologians who know the Koine Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages have never taught sinless perfection. These men of God: Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyd Jones, Baxter, Edwards, Gill, and countless others have never once taught that Christians can be without sin. These men have struggled with sin. By your truth they were never really saved and burning in hell.

The Bible does not even teach sinless perfection unless one twists scripture. That is, one's own private interpretation and all.

Because you are sinless and perfect, as you say you are, that means that your interpretation of the Bible is correct. That means you cannot even make a mistake interpreting the Bible. If you do make a mistake that would be sin.

So, you have arrived and have no need of sanctification or feeding on the word of God, you are perfectly sinless.

Do you understand that you come off as holier than thou and condescending?

Since you are equal with Christ, being sinless and perfect, can you raise the dead, perform mighty miracles, can you go into the hospitals and heal everyone with a word? Are you able to forgive the sins of the unregenerate?

Do you understand how all that sounds?

I understand you reply will be deflection and you will throw out a bunch of Bible verses that you interpret differently from anyone else.

Many in this thread have shown you the light of Scripture but you deny it. They have called you out, but your pride blinds you.

Hopeful 2, you need to get on your knees and repent for what you believe and teaching the unsuspecting is sinful.

Romans16:18 For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own stomach, and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.
 
You have made your own truth.
John 8:32-34 was something Jesus said, so I can't deny that the truth will make you free from sinning.
Well known Pastors and Theologians who know the Koine Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages have never taught sinless perfection. These men of God: Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyd Jones, Baxter, Edwards, Gill, and countless others have never once taught that Christians can be without sin. These men have struggled with sin. By your truth they were never really saved and burning in hell.
Let's call "sinless perfection" its other name.
Righteousness.
The Bible does not even teach sinless perfection unless one twists scripture. That is, one's own private interpretation and all.
It teaches righteousness.
Because you are sinless and perfect, as you say you are, that means that your interpretation of the Bible is correct. That means you cannot even make a mistake interpreting the Bible. If you do make a mistake that would be sin.
As we are all exhorted to keep growing in grace and knowledge, (2 Peter 3:18), I don't claim to know everything.
I very rarely speak on things I am not sure about.
So, you have arrived and have no need of sanctification or feeding on the word of God, you are perfectly sinless.
I was sanctified when the sanctifying, atoning, consecrating blood of Christ was applied to my vessel.
It occurred at my water baptism into Christ and into His death and burial.
Do you understand that you come off as holier than thou and condescending?
God commands righteousness.
I will obey.
Since you are equal with Christ, being sinless and perfect,
Equality with the Lord ?
Only in that we both obey God.
can you raise the dead, perform mighty miracles, can you go into the hospitals and heal everyone with a word?
No, sorrowfully, I have not been given the gifts of healing.
Are you able to forgive the sins of the unregenerate?
Only if they sinned against me.
Everybody can baptize the unregenerated, if they repent of sin, with water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
Do you understand how all that sounds?
I hope it is the earnest questions of one who seeks God's blessings.
I understand you reply will be deflection and you will throw out a bunch of Bible verses that you interpret differently from anyone else.
Who you gonna believe?
The sinners or the one who obeys God ?
Many in this thread have shown you the light of Scripture but you deny it. They have called you out, but your pride blinds you.
If any of their interpretations could have led to God's righteousness, they would have been worth investigating.
But all they were was excuses to keep disobeying God.
Hopeful 2, you need to get on your knees and repent for what you believe and teaching the unsuspecting is sinful.
I have no inclination to return to sinning.
Romans16:18 For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own stomach, and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.
Let's print the next verse too..."For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. " (Rom 16:19)
Do you suppose the Christians chided then too ?
 
John 8:32-34 was something Jesus said, so I can't deny that the truth will make you free from sinning.

Let's call "sinless perfection" its other name.
Righteousness.

It teaches righteousness.

As we are all exhorted to keep growing in grace and knowledge, (2 Peter 3:18), I don't claim to know everything.
I very rarely speak on things I am not sure about.

I was sanctified when the sanctifying, atoning, consecrating blood of Christ was applied to my vessel.
It occurred at my water baptism into Christ and into His death and burial.

God commands righteousness.
I will obey.

Equality with the Lord ?
Only in that we both obey God.

No, sorrowfully, I have not been given the gifts of healing.

Only if they sinned against me.
Everybody can baptize the unregenerated, if they repent of sin, with water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)

I hope it is the earnest questions of one who seeks God's blessings.

Who you gonna believe?
The sinners or the one who obeys God ?

If any of their interpretations could have led to God's righteousness, they would have been worth investigating.
But all they were was excuses to keep disobeying God.

I have no inclination to return to sinning.

Let's print the next verse too..."For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. " (Rom 16:19)
Do you suppose the Christians chided then too ?
So much wrong here.

Grace and peace to you.
 
"So much wrong here", but you are unwilling to discuss it ?
For what reason?

First, It would not pertain to the Op's topic and second, it would do no good. You are set in your ways, Only the Lord can open your eyes, but that takes humility.

Many here have corrected you on the false doctrine you are spreading (sinless perfection), but you refuse to see the truth of Gods written word.

Grace and peace to you.
 
I have nothing to be disciplined for, thanks be to God, the gift of the Holy Spirit, and a divine nature
Then I'm afraid you've never had the gift of the Holy Spirit. Whatever you think you have, that's a delusion.
I cannot usurp the Lord's judgement.
He will make it known to me if I lived righteously, or not, on the last day.
As for your Rom 3 citing, it was perfectly applicable when it was written...in Psalm 14.
Not anymore, thanks to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
You're already usurping God's judgement by denying man's sin nature. If it were "not anymore" it wouldn't have been quoted in Rom. 3.
It will be too late then.
You have heard about rebirth...right?
After the old you is destroyed, Rom 6:6, and the new you is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), the old you will no longer manifest itself.
As long as you uphold the heresy of sinless perfection, you're not reborn, you're still the old you.
 
You're honest in this case.
But you also don't seem to be aware of repentance from sin.
BTW, 1 John 1:8, (6 and 10 too), are written of those who walk in darkness-sin.
They don't apply to those walking in the light-God.
Read carefully, it says "if WE", not if they. You wanna count yourself out? Go ahead.
I haven't met someone who says Jesus doesn't have the power to do something, before now.
I haven't met anybody who so blatantly boasts that they have no sin as though they are equal with Jesus, the only one who really has no sin.
In just this post, you have revealed that you don't know about rebirth from God's seed, repentance from sin, or how powerful Jesus is.
If you want some insights on those topics, I may be able to help you.
If you were truly reborn, you would've been comformed to Jesus who is humble and kind. Jesus is truly sinless, and yet when he met the rich young ruler and he was addressed as "good teacher", how did he respond? "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God." (Matt. 19:17) I don't see any of this humble attitude in you, man. All I see in you through your post is that pharisee who boasts before God.
 
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

SIN: A KEYWORD
IN FIRST JOHN

Sin (Hamartia) is a key word in First John occurring 17 times -- 11x = "sin" singular; 6x = "sins" plural - 1Jn 1:7, 8, 9 (twice), 1Jn 2:2, 12; 3:4, 5, 8, 9; 4:10; 5:16 (2x), 1Jn 5:17 (2x).

No sin - In addition to using the stronger phrase echo + hamartia ("have… sin"), John also uses the stronger Greek negative (ou) ("have no sin") to indicate that these individuals are strongly claiming that they have (absolutely) no sin.

Joseph Hall gives an apt description of these individuals noting…
How easily sin gets into the heart; how hardly it gets out of the mouth.

Barnhouse observes that…
The tragic thing about this doctrine (if we say we have no sin) is that once people believe themselves free from sin, they believe that what they do is not sin. Thus they have low views of the holiness of God and the sinfulness of sin.

Charles Spurgeon once described a woman who claimed to be without sin and past sinning, until someone stepped on her toe, and as Spurgeon describes it "her sinless perfection departed her like the morning dew."

Matthew Henry emphasizes that saints still sin noting that…
The best of saints may be tempted to the worst of sins.

John Ker puts it this way…

This is one of the sorest trials of a renewed life, that it is built over dark dungeons, where dead things may be buried but not forgotten, and where through open grating rank vapours still ascend.
 
Those in deception

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
(1:8)

A second group of false professors claimed to have no sin. This position was prouder than the stance of those in the first category who ignored their sin (cf. Jer. 17:9). Any so-called Christians who claim to have reached a higher spiritual plane, where sin no longer exists in their lives, completely misunderstand their condition and the Spirit’s work of progressive sanctification.

Again, any who ignore the existence of sin give clear evidence that the truth is not in them. The Bible plainly teaches the principle of human depravity. In Romans 3:10–23 Paul wrote:

“There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; all have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one. Their throat is an open grave, with their tongues they keep deceiving, the poison of asps is under their lips; whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (cf. Gen. 8:21; 2 Chron. 6:36; Ps. 51:5; Jer. 13:23; Rom. 8:7–8; 1 Cor. 2:14; Titus 3:3)

Jesus Christ was the only human being who could ever claim to be without sin (Heb. 4:15). All who make such an outlandish claim are only fooling themselves. It is not until believers are glorified in heaven that their sanctification process will be complete (Rom. 8:19, 23), and then they will be without sin.

Those who defame god

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
(1:10)

The list of those who deny the certainty of sin culminates with a third group, those who not only claim not to sin now, but who say that they have never sinned. By making that ridiculous assertion they blasphemously make God a liar (cf. Titus 1:2; 1 John 5:10–11) in two ways. First, they explicitly deny His teaching that all have sinned (see above), and second, they implicitly deny the need for a Savior (cf. Isa. 53:10–11; Zech. 9:9; Matt. 1:21; Luke 2:11; 19:10; Acts 5:31; 13:38–39; Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 1:15; Heb. 5:9). After all, why would they need a Substitute to take their punishment for something they claim to have never committed?

All three categories of false claimants to fellowship with God fail John’s second doctrinal test by denying sin’s certainty. Thus they prove that His word [truth] is not in them. Anyone, even a professed believer seeking to cover up his or her sin, is in the depths of spiritual darkness and deception, and blasphemes God. Conversely, when those truly in the fellowship fall into sin, they do not deny sin’s presence or their propensity toward it (Rom. 7:14–25; 1 Tim. 1:12–15; cf. Pss. 32:5; 51:1, 3; Prov. 28:13). Instead, they openly and honestly confess their sins before the Lord and repent of them.

Scripture corroborates the validity and necessity of John’s first two doctrinal tests of salvation—belief in God and belief in the certainty of sin. Concerning essential faith, the author of Hebrews declares,

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.… And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (11:1, 6; cf. John 6:47; 20:31; Rom. 1:17; 3:21–22, 28; 1 John 5:1)

Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the publican (tax collector) makes clear that one cannot be justified apart from an honest confession of his or her sinfulness:

But the tax collector [in contrast to the self-righteous Pharisee], standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, “God, be merciful to me, the sinner!” I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Luke 18:13–14; cf. Prov. 26:12; 1 Cor. 6:9–10; Gal. 5:19–21; Eph. 5:5)[1]





[1] John MacArthur, 1, 2, 3 John, MacArthur New Testament Commentary (Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2007), 29–31.
 
Those in deception

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
(1:8)

A second group of false professors claimed to have no sin. This position was prouder than the stance of those in the first category who ignored their sin (cf. Jer. 17:9). Any so-called Christians who claim to have reached a higher spiritual plane, where sin no longer exists in their lives, completely misunderstand their condition and the Spirit’s work of progressive sanctification.

Again, any who ignore the existence of sin give clear evidence that the truth is not in them. The Bible plainly teaches the principle of human depravity. In Romans 3:10–23 Paul wrote:

“There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; all have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one. Their throat is an open grave, with their tongues they keep deceiving, the poison of asps is under their lips; whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (cf. Gen. 8:21; 2 Chron. 6:36; Ps. 51:5; Jer. 13:23; Rom. 8:7–8; 1 Cor. 2:14; Titus 3:3)

Jesus Christ was the only human being who could ever claim to be without sin (Heb. 4:15). All who make such an outlandish claim are only fooling themselves. It is not until believers are glorified in heaven that their sanctification process will be complete (Rom. 8:19, 23), and then they will be without sin.

Those who defame god

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
(1:10)

The list of those who deny the certainty of sin culminates with a third group, those who not only claim not to sin now, but who say that they have never sinned. By making that ridiculous assertion they blasphemously make God a liar (cf. Titus 1:2; 1 John 5:10–11) in two ways. First, they explicitly deny His teaching that all have sinned (see above), and second, they implicitly deny the need for a Savior (cf. Isa. 53:10–11; Zech. 9:9; Matt. 1:21; Luke 2:11; 19:10; Acts 5:31; 13:38–39; Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 1:15; Heb. 5:9). After all, why would they need a Substitute to take their punishment for something they claim to have never committed?

All three categories of false claimants to fellowship with God fail John’s second doctrinal test by denying sin’s certainty. Thus they prove that His word [truth] is not in them. Anyone, even a professed believer seeking to cover up his or her sin, is in the depths of spiritual darkness and deception, and blasphemes God. Conversely, when those truly in the fellowship fall into sin, they do not deny sin’s presence or their propensity toward it (Rom. 7:14–25; 1 Tim. 1:12–15; cf. Pss. 32:5; 51:1, 3; Prov. 28:13). Instead, they openly and honestly confess their sins before the Lord and repent of them.

Scripture corroborates the validity and necessity of John’s first two doctrinal tests of salvation—belief in God and belief in the certainty of sin. Concerning essential faith, the author of Hebrews declares,

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.… And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (11:1, 6; cf. John 6:47; 20:31; Rom. 1:17; 3:21–22, 28; 1 John 5:1)

Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the publican (tax collector) makes clear that one cannot be justified apart from an honest confession of his or her sinfulness:

But the tax collector [in contrast to the self-righteous Pharisee], standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, “God, be merciful to me, the sinner!” I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Luke 18:13–14; cf. Prov. 26:12; 1 Cor. 6:9–10; Gal. 5:19–21; Eph. 5:5)[1]





[1] John MacArthur, 1, 2, 3 John, MacArthur New Testament Commentary (Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2007), 29–31.

My pastor during a sermon said that we should grow into a deeper relationship with God .

He went into we should and will be more Holy but never perfect .
 
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