The Law, works and keeping his comandments

[jasoncran]

oh and the part where prayer does forgive. often quoted by Christians here.

but i will do the whole chapter

2 Chronicles 7

King James Version (KJV)


7 Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the Lord filled the house.

2 And the priests could not enter into the house of the Lord, because the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord's house.

3 And when all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord upon the house, they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the Lord.

5 And king Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty and two thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep: so the king and all the people dedicated the house of God.

6 And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the Lord, which David the king had made to praise the Lord, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.

7 Moreover Solomon hallowed the middle of the court that was before the house of the Lord: for there he offered burnt offerings, and the fat of the peace offerings, because the brasen altar which Solomon had made was not able to receive the burnt offerings, and the meat offerings, and the fat.

8 Also at the same time Solomon kept the feast seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt.

9 And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days.

10 And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that the Lord had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people.

11 Thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the Lord, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.

12 And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

17 And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;

18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.

19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;

20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land, and unto this house?

22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

note that he said if they turn and repent from their sins then hears their prayers and he will heal them, gee isn't that a lot like the cross? yup. its god, the law was meant to point to God.

 

[JLB]

really? so we shouldn't take into account that jesus lived in a time period as man,

so when jesus mentioned grace. despite being bar and bat mitzvahed the jews then wouldn't know this verse and it wouldn't come to mind?

"but noah found grace in the eyes of the lord"? or when Abraham had faith and the man paul spoke to jews about it(galatians had a large jewish believing group) that they wouldn't know the account.

god isn't an indian giver. if he says thou shall not die you wont. if he says thou art forgiven then you are.

micah 7:19



so how does one get a semi forgiveness? definition of atonement in English in the 1828 websters

http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/atonement

pretty much what i said. to make right with god. there was the old way in the tanach, by animals and by prayer in the diaspora.

I have no idea what you are talking about at this point.

I made a point.

Here is the scripture to validate my point.

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Hebrews 10:4

The Blood of Bulls and goats atones for sin, which is to say "covers", not cleanse or take away sin.

Atonement verses Cleanse.

With atonement, your conscience is still aware of the sin.

With the Blood of Jesus, the sin has been taken away and you are "just as if you never sinned".

7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people's sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience. Hebrews 9:7-9

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The reason I would like you to list all these supposed requirements is to show that they are not fundamental, but instead just ways of expressing the fundamentals. So for example, using your terms, circumcision would be just a way of expressing that you are in covenant and at peace with God. It is not a fundamental requirement. The circumcised heart/flesh is just a token of the more fundamental peace with God, which is itself a product of our surrender to God. In the same way, sabbath keeping is, no matter in which way you keep it, just a benefit of our belonging to God, which happens when we surrender to Him. Changing the sabbath from a gift to a requirement makes it a work.

Your admission that it would be a task to list all the requirements of God suggests that they are not actually fundamentals, but just spiritually legal ways of expressing the fundamentals. The law is complex, but Grace is simple.

You're making this way too complicated. We already visited many requirements in the passage JLB posted. They all get fulfilled when you believe in Christ and walk by the (fruit of the) Spirit. The new way of satisfying the requirements of the law is summed up in 'believe in Christ' and 'love others' (somewhere in 1 John).

 

[JLB]

You're making this way too complicated. We already visited many requirements in the passage JLB posted. They all get fulfilled when you believe in Christ and walk by the (fruit of the) Spirit. The new way of satisfying the requirements of the law is summed up in 'believe in Christ' and 'love others' (somewhere in 1 John).

You have fallen back to saying Gentiles have an obligation to fulfill the law of Moses.

We don't.

The law of Christ is what we fulfill, as Abraham did.

Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2

The law of faith is what we are obligated to fulfill.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

The Torah, the law of God as contained in Genesis, as well as the other four, is the ONE LAW for both Jew and Gentile, which is summed up in Love God and your neighbor.

When Jesus refers to the "Law and the Prophets", Genesis is certainly included.

The Ten Commandments were given before any Tabernacle or Priestly ordinances were given as well.

The main point is: The Laws of God's Kingdom are what Abraham walked in, and are for all.

The law of Moses were between the Lord and the children of Israel.

JLB

 

[reba]

 

[JLB]

:woot

 

[Sinthesis]

You're making this way too complicated. We already visited many requirements in the passage JLB posted. They all get fulfilled when you believe in Christ and walk by the (fruit of the) Spirit. The new way of satisfying the requirements of the law is summed up in 'believe in Christ' and 'love others' (somewhere in 1 John).

Actually you are the one making this complicated. If you believe that the only fundamental requirements are to love God, and likewise to love others, then we agree. Everything else is just an expression of this love; symbolic interpretations of works to transform the abstract idea of love, by various ways as guided by the Holy Spirit (ways yet which are not absolute in and of themselves) into concrete expressions that reflect love. There are countless ways to express love, which is why you are so reluctant to list those which you perceive as requirements, but they are only the voluntary ways we choose to express the fundamental requirement of love.

 

[jasoncran]

Abraham was declared righteous by god. how can that be if wasn't cleansed? he was made right with god. one doesn't stand in his presence as he did and not die. Abraham is very much holy then. if you can show me that he was in sheol when he died. then tell me that? if can show me that moses. Elijah. the man who went into heaven on a chariot of fire wasn't right with god. then do so. I could go into gan eden and compare that to the modern view of the heaven by the chuch. but you wont care

 

[JLB]

Abraham was declared righteous by god. how can that be if wasn't cleansed? he was made right with god. one doesn't stand in his presence as he did and not die. Abraham is very much holy then. if you can show me that he was in sheol when he died. then tell me that? if can show me that moses. Elijah. the man who went into heaven on a chariot of fire wasn't right with god. then do so. I could go into gan eden and compare that to the modern view of the heaven by the chuch. but you wont care

Abraham was declared righteous by his faith.

Did Abraham offer animal sacrifices for his sins?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Actually you are the one making this complicated. If you believe that the only fundamental requirements are to love God, and likewise to love others, then we agree. Everything else is just an expression of this love; symbolic interpretations of works to transform the abstract idea of love, by various ways as guided by the Holy Spirit (ways yet which are not absolute in and of themselves) into concrete expressions that reflect love. There are countless ways to express love, which is why you are so reluctant to list those which you perceive as requirements, but they are only the voluntary ways we choose to express the fundamental requirement of love.

It's painfully obvious that you and JLB still think I'm saying all the people of God have to keep the literal ways of Moses.

I don't know why you're not understanding my posts. Well, actually I do. What I don't know is why I can't overcome the church's indoctrination about the law with detailed and understandable text). I listed several requirements of law that get fulfilled through our faith in Christ and our obedience to walk in the fruit of the Spirit--Sabbth Rest, blood for sin, The Day of Atonement, the altar, the temple, the priesthood--many eternal requirements and principles of worship and service to God that got temporarily boxed in the way and the system of the first covenant, and which find their true fulfillment in the new way of faith in Christ.

I asked questions that if a person will simply answer them honestly in their own minds they'd get what I'm saying. For example, "was Christ's Priestly work and Sacrifice, shown by the author of Hebrews to be performed in conformance with the law of Moses, only done for believing Jews, or for all people who believe, Jew and gentile alike? And how does that teaching have to automatically and categorically equate to telling the church they have to fulfill those requirements found in the law of Moses in the literal way of the old covenant?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You have fallen back to saying Gentiles have an obligation to fulfill the law of Moses.

We don't.

I'm amazed you can not hear what I'm saying.

How is it that you can not hear me say that when we believe in Christ and walk in the fruit of the Spirit the law of Moses gets satisfied to God's complete and total satisfaction, not broken, not destroyed. The Bible says this, not me. You'd have a point if the Bible referred to the requirements of law not found in the law of Moses are satisfied by our faith, but it says the law OF MOSES is what gets satisfied. And why not, since we both agree that the law of Moses contains God's eternal laws and principles that didn't simply come into existence at Mt. Sinai. That's probably the one point that has me completely confused as to why you vehemently resist what I'm saying.

The law of Christ is what we fulfill, as Abraham did.

Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2

So this law of Christ is not in the law of Moses that it (the law of Moses) doesn't get upheld when we fulfill the law of Christ?

The law of faith is what we are obligated to fulfill.

(You really don't even know what the law of faith is. Read the context.)
Does the law of faith (as you understand that) violate the law of Moses? Paul says, 'no'.

I know you probably won't acknowledge the plain and obvious answers to these questions, but what can I do?

Gotta run....

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Simple question for all the church:

According to the Bible, does faith in Christ fulfill the requirements for the Day of Atonement to God's complete and total satisfaction, or not?

 

[JLB]

It's painfully obvious that you and JLB still think I'm saying all the people of God have to keep the literal ways of Moses.

The literal "ways" of Moses. Now its Moses "ways"?

How else does one "not murder", except that they literally don't murder someone.

How else does someone "not lie", except that the literally don't lie.

How else does someone "not commit adultery", except that they literally do not commit adultery.

How does one "not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them", except that they literally do not make a carved image...

You and I both know that these commandments are to be obeyed by all who call upon the name of the Lord.

You and I both know that we have to do better at explaining what we know to be true concerning these things.

Yes, I know that these laws can be violated by an internal action such as whoever is angry with his brother without a cause, or whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery, but that is still a "LITERAL" violation of a law of God.

You are going to have to find some different language, and ways of expressing the truth that you are striving to present to the Church.

Yes, We have to literally keep these laws of God.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Simple question for all the church:

According to the Bible, does faith in Christ fulfill the requirements for the Day of Atonement to God's complete and total satisfaction, or not?

No!

You can have faith in Christ for salvation, and still be rejected for inheriting God's Kingdom on that Day, if you live a life of violating God's Laws, such as lying and murdering and adultery.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I'm amazed you can not hear what I'm saying.

How is it that you can not hear me say that when we believe in Christ and walk in the fruit of the Spirit the law of Moses gets satisfied to God's complete and total satisfaction, not broken, not destroyed. The Bible says this, not me.

I am amazed that you can't hear what the scripture says. Why won't you believe a legal master of the law of Moses? Why are you advocating that we as Gentile Christians are obligated to keep the law of Moses, to uphold the law of Moses, to satisfy the law of Moses, to fulfill the requirements of the law of Moses...

Galatians 4 -

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

NO LONGER A SLAVE!

What does that mean?

22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar-- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children-- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Galatians 5 -

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


Loving God and Loving people is God's law, and has always been applicable from the garden to the end of the age.

Because it is mentioned with the law, does not mean it originated with Moses law.

Loving God, by loving your neighbor was God's law before the law of Moses and remains, though the law of Moses has vanished away.

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Why are we trying to get the Church to satisfy the requirements of a covenant that Jesus Christ came to set the Children of Israel free from?

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.


JLB

 

[chessman]

Simple question for all the church:

According to the Bible, does faith in Christ fulfill the requirements for the Day of Atonement to God's complete and total satisfaction, or not?

Yes.
What else makes any sense of the Scriptures (all of them “Old” and “New”)? Or for that matter, just plain common sense? Think about it without even any specific Scriptures in mind [1] then with its rather specific Scriptural support [2,3]:

1. WRT history, common sense: God goes to all the trouble of creating a universe filled with time/space/matter/energy (from nothing), creates animals, creates man bearing His image, then with patience and Love (though without surprise to Him that created such) allows them to fall into sin (breaking His law) and thusly separates themselves from their state of intimate “walking and talking” with Him. Yet even still, God gave them a promise of redemption from that feeling of nakedness/shamefulness to come later AND His immediately covering them (animal skins) versus their attempt at covering themselves (fig leaves) being explicitly inadequate for the job. If this story were a trailer to a movie (which of course it’s not, these are real-historical events) then it just doesn’t scream that a story of man’s ability to work himself into some atonement state with God is to follow, does it? Then there’s a man (Abraham) who listened to God (through all the clutter of his pagan world) and had enough faith in God’s voice/promises to leave all that he had behind and go to a foreign land with nothing but a promise and a prayer. Enough faith in God to sacrifice his long desired/awaited and promised son (Seed). Yet God provided His sacrifice instead of this man’s son. Again, doesn’t scream at you about man’s ability to provide any form of sacrifice (even his own son) does it. You could go on and on with evidence in examples of Noah, the Exodus, Israel’s first (and second for that matter) “Kings’” inadequacy for the job. But the point is; where in history do we find the idea of man’s “works” being adequate to overcome man’s sins? I know of none, including all the weekly, monthly, yearly, seven year, etc. sacrifices of the Jews. First off, if they were all that adequate, why repeat them every week/year if they were all that “satisfying” to God to be a “total satisfaction”? Obviously, these types of material/animal sacrifices were not “total satisfaction” to God. Else why a repeat over and over again? But, hay they at least showed their faith in God to forgive them of their sins (when done rightly that is).

2. But if we needed any specific Scripture(s) here’s some I think directly answer this question:

Galatians 2:16 (ESV) yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Philippians 3:8-9 (ESV) Indeed, I [A Jew] count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—
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3. And if we needed any specific Scripture(s) to show that BOTH the OT and the NT speak in one voice (contradictory in no way, shape or form) about this other than the obvious common sense fact that Jesus is the Word. Needing no “balancing act” of one “truth” laid on a scale of an opposing “truth” so that they balance each other out to the middle somewhere, we have Paul teaching Timothy:

(2 Timothy 3:15 ESV) and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings [OT], which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
​

Pretty explicit, to me, that the OT teaches salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. But even more in its broader context:

But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. ​

(2 Timothy 3:14-17 ESV)

 

[JLB]

Yes.
What else makes any sense of the Scriptures (all of them “Old” and “New”)? Or for that matter, just plain common sense? Think about it without even any specific Scriptures in mind [1] then with its rather specific Scriptural support [2,3]:

1. WRT history, common sense: God goes to all the trouble of creating a universe filled with time/space/matter/energy (from nothing), creates animals, creates man bearing His image, then with patience and Love (though without surprise to Him that created such) allows them to fall into sin (breaking His law) and thusly separates themselves from their state of intimate “walking and talking” with Him. Yet even still, God gave them a promise of redemption from that feeling of nakedness/shamefulness to come later AND His immediately covering them (animal skins) versus their attempt at covering themselves (fig leaves) being explicitly inadequate for the job. If this story were a trailer to a movie (which of course it’s not, these are real-historical events) then it just doesn’t scream that a story of man’s ability to work himself into some atonement state with God is to follow, does it? Then there’s a man (Abraham) who listened to God (through all the clutter of his pagan world) and had enough faith in God’s voice/promises to leave all that he had behind and go to a foreign land with nothing but a promise and a prayer. Enough faith in God to sacrifice his long desired/awaited and promised son (Seed). Yet God provided His sacrifice instead of this man’s son. Again, doesn’t scream at you about man’s ability to provide any form of sacrifice (even his own son) does it. You could go on and on with evidence in examples of Noah, the Exodus, Israel’s first (and second for that matter) “Kings’” inadequacy for the job. But the point is; where in history do we find the idea of man’s “works” being adequate to overcome man’s sins? I know of none, including all the weekly, monthly, yearly, seven year, etc. sacrifices of the Jews. First off, if they were all that adequate, why repeat them every week/year if they were all that “satisfying” to God to be a “total satisfaction”? Obviously, these types of material/animal sacrifices were not “total satisfaction” to God. Else why a repeat over and over again? But, hay they at least showed their faith in God to forgive them of their sins (when done rightly that is).

2. But if we needed any specific Scripture(s) here’s some I think directly answer this question:

Galatians 2:16 (ESV) yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Philippians 3:8-9 (ESV) Indeed, I [A Jew] count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—
​

3. And if we needed any specific Scripture(s) to show that BOTH the OT and the NT speak in one voice (contradictory in no way, shape or form) about this other than the obvious common sense fact that Jesus is the Word. Needing no “balancing act” of one “truth” laid on a scale of an opposing “truth” so that they balance each other out to the middle somewhere, we have Paul teaching Timothy:

(2 Timothy 3:15 ESV) and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings [OT], which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
​

Pretty explicit, to me, that the OT teaches salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. But even more in its broader context:

But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. ​

(2 Timothy 3:14-17 ESV)

Thanks for everything you just wrote.

Could answer the specific question that was asked?

Please show us the distinct correlation to the day of Atonement that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ fulfills.


JLB

PS - I believe His sacrifice fulfills all the Law,Prophets and Psalms.

 

[chessman]

Could [you] answer the specific question that was asked?
Please show us the distinct correlation to the day of Atonement that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ fulfills.

I thought I did answer it. Or rather that Gal 2:16 did.

I'll ask JB; did you mean the "Day of Atonement" in your question to distinctly point to the 10th day of the Seventh month (Lev 23:27) on the Levitical priest’s calendar or more broadly to a day in the future whereby all His Elect will be made at one with God?

Galatians 2:16 (ESV) yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
​

Would not “the works of the law” that were carried out on this special day by a Levite Priest be included in what Paul means here by “works of the law”? It seems rather simple to see that’s exactly what Paul meant. If not, then what in world did he mean by “works of the law” if not such things as the Levites carried out, and many more like it (like circumcision)? And if that is what Paul meant (and I think it clearly is from the context of Gal 2) then the correlation to Jesus Christ’ssacrifice [i.e. Savior, Messiah to a Jewish ear] is again plain and simple. But if it [Jewish laws versus Christ’s sacrifice] is not correlated enough already just with verse 16, then Paul goes on to distinctly point this truth out :

Galatians 2:20-21 (ESV) I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
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So the correlation is clear. If righteousness were through [the Day of Atonement, sacrifice of animals, circumcision, __fill in the blank with anything man can do], then Christ died for no purpose.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

PS - I believe His sacrifice fulfills all the Law,Prophets and Psalms.

This is what I've been saying.

So how is it that you argue that faith in his sacrifice doesn't uphold the law for all believers, except that you refuse to acknowledge that I've been plainly saying the law is upheld in regard to what the law requires (blood, rest, etc.), not upheld in regard to the WAY of the law of Moses, a,k.a. the first covenant (the way, the system, for fulfilling the requirements of God)?

Maybe your fundamental problem is you think that the requirements of the law of Moses., and the first covenant are exactly one and the same thing. They are not. The Bible itself is where we see the distinction made between the two. Faith in Christ upholds (satisfies, meets, etc.) the requirements of the law of Moses, not does away with them. But faith in Christ lays aside the first covenant, the WAY the requirements of God are to be fulfilled. These two things are very distinct teachings of the Bible. We see this in what Jesus said, too. He said he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. But he did allude to how his coming will make it possible for some things to 'disappear' from the law, those things we now know to be the literal first covenant ways the requirements of the law are upheld, not the requirements of the law themselves.