I sure agree. The righteous heard prophetic words in their language and praised God.
The others heard a language they could not understand, and said the speakers were drunk. Which is what we have posted. Tongues are a sign to unbelievers.
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Twelve rules that are broken when people speak in tongues Part 2
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The others heard a language they could not understand, and said the speakers were drunk. Which is what we have posted. Tongues are a sign to unbelievers.
eddif
So the Bible is not enough? That is a very bold and unbiblical statement.
If the Holy Spirit is speaking through someone, are they not adding to the word of God?
During Pentecost in the book of Acts, it was a real language and a sign of Judgement for unbelieving Jews.
How can anyone apply this today?
It makes no sense.
If someone is speaking in tongues and someone interprets it is prophecy (speaking Gods message). (Nothing added).
John 16:13 kjv
13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jewish prophets spoke to Jewish people what God was saying.
At Pentecost the disciples spoke to righteous men from other lands (that spoke other languages). The good guys heard their language.
Acts 2:5 kjv
5. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9. Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10. Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11. Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13. Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Then Peter spoke
eddif
The word and preaching that have happened so far are not enough for that service to be complete .
Do you have a scripture saying the bible is enough ?
I have not heard that happen .
Yes, it still is a real language when the Holy Spirit gives the utterance .
A sign to the unbelievers and prophetic .
I pray it will one day soon.
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Interpreters sure seem proud of their ability to interpret.
How odd then that in the entire two threads here not a single word of one of these revealed messages, supposedly given by God, has been offered for the people of God?
Does anyone know what is behind the need of these interpreters to keep all of these messages of the Spirit Top Secret ?
How odd then that in the entire two threads here not a single word of one of these revealed messages, supposedly given by God, has been offered for the people of God?
Does anyone know what is behind the need of these interpreters to keep all of these messages of the Spirit Top Secret ?
So I should wait for God to tell me to speak in tongues, before actually speaking in tongues, among other believers?
"...not like to say..."?
I believe the same.
The gift of tongues is as useful today as they were 2000 years ago.
I have not seen a pride in the interpreters that I know .
How many interpreters do you know ?
The gift of tongues used in speaking to God privately doesn't have to be a known foreign language. It is God's Spirit talking to God.
The gift of tongues used for the edification of the church could be any language, even a heavenly one, but the interpreter will change it to the locally known language.
The gift of tongues used to communicate with a foreigner will be in that person's language.
It is God's help with communication.
As for the written and preached words being enough, how much has changed in the last 2000 years?
What is written about nuclear power or nuclear war?
Lots of things are not addressed by scripture.
Some times the interpretation of tongues may be for the preacher, letting him know about something he questions.
Or perhaps about something he wasn't aware was happening...like spies in our midst.
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What proof does anyone have that these tongues, signs and wonders are from God, where is the proof?
How does anyone know that this is not of satan?
All I see is a lot of scripture twisting.
If the plain word of God and preaching the gospel is not enough, then why do we have the Bible.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be equipped, having been thoroughly equipped for every good work
Why do most Bible believing Christians believe these gifts have ceased?
The following comments is exactly what is going on in this movement.
I understand I cannot convince anyone. I knew what my original post would bring. Like I have said, I have been down this path way to many times (since 2004).
Again, as it has been stated, Gods written word is not enough. So tongue's, signs and miracles by men are needed and shows God is not sovereign.
I will continue to read the opinions of those who post their thoughts here.
Grace and peace to you.
How does anyone know that this is not of satan?
All I see is a lot of scripture twisting.
If the plain word of God and preaching the gospel is not enough, then why do we have the Bible.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be equipped, having been thoroughly equipped for every good work
Why do most Bible believing Christians believe these gifts have ceased?
The following comments is exactly what is going on in this movement.
I understand I cannot convince anyone. I knew what my original post would bring. Like I have said, I have been down this path way to many times (since 2004).
Again, as it has been stated, Gods written word is not enough. So tongue's, signs and miracles by men are needed and shows God is not sovereign.
I will continue to read the opinions of those who post their thoughts here.
Grace and peace to you.
I would not like to say that:
This very visual and well documented Daniel experience is all I would ever need to experience regarding an unknown language being interpreted (just by reading).
Some part of me would want to be involved with that today (in this time).
King David thirsted after the things of God. That seems a natural desire.
eddif
To me the proof text is the Daniel text . It clearly gives God the credit for seeing what happened.
Daniel turned the experience the king had (into spoken words with an interpretation).
Types and shadows of things to come later are not always spot on.
There was an assembly
God gave an unknown language text
An interpreter gave the meaning.
The king accepted the answer as from God.
eddif
Thank you for your thoughts.
Pre answer for a next question.
Colossians 2:16 kjv
16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Under the Law of Moses physical items were presented.
Under the new covenant we do not live by bread alone. Spoken words are our additional diet.
Under the new covenant we do not just keep a sabbath day, but rest in what Jesus did for us. This rest occurs many times during any day, and does not have to wait for a holy special day.
Colossians 2:16 kjv
16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Under the Law of Moses physical items were presented.
Under the new covenant we do not live by bread alone. Spoken words are our additional diet.
Under the new covenant we do not just keep a sabbath day, but rest in what Jesus did for us. This rest occurs many times during any day, and does not have to wait for a holy special day.
You lost me. Those verses have nothing to do with speaking in tongues.
Acts 1:3 kjv
3. After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
I am sure not God. I do try to provide proofs from scripture as well as my redneck self can do. Which, I am sure falls far short.
The kingdom of God is within us. The quickening spirit of God gets the credit for any correct thing we do.
eddif
3. After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
I am sure not God. I do try to provide proofs from scripture as well as my redneck self can do. Which, I am sure falls far short.
The kingdom of God is within us. The quickening spirit of God gets the credit for any correct thing we do.
eddif
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Of all these hundreds , thousands of interpreted communications from God Himself how very , very strange that not so much as a syllable of one of these superlative words has been offered on these threads for the encouragement of God's people.
How do you explain this insistent emphasis to keep His transforming message selfishly hidden under a table , in the dark ?
How is the power of God released by selfishly not sharing what God has given ?
These secretive inactions regarding what God has supposedly given to a select very special few are dark indeed .
God foreordains spiritual gifts for one purpose only to bloom and be given freely and abundantly in the light of His Love.
This business being talked about here smacks of the human spirit, and desires of the flesh.
Simply by peer pressure it appears. There are very few (relatively speaking) that actively engage in spiritual gifts conversations. Tongue talkers are shown a thing called a door, and infer we are the devil and suggest we leave.
A lot of those who talk / speak in tongues quote from the PentecostL book of church order. Much like most denominations do. Change denominations and you need to become indoctrinated into another rubric.
Me I spoke in tongues without ever having been around any information about it.
Except my paternal grandmother. I was possibly 9? She must have been talking about the subject, because my father burst into the room and stated ( you know we do not believe that stuff). I literally never comprehended a single word she said. Do I have it in my subconscious mind? I do not know. I sure remember what my dad said.
I really later decided (after she died) she prayed for changes in my life. I do not to this day know what brand she was.
I spoke in tongues while reading
1 Corinthians 12 alone in a bathroom
waiting for my hair to dry after a bath.
I had no idea why I suddenly at 26? started having strange words coming out of my mouth.
Talk to a Pentecostal was my wife’s suggestion. I did and got a rant that made no sense to me at all. So in one sense I sort of was in the situation you are in, but with no books to read.
Later when I did read the thoughts made no sense. I speak now from many years is of agony.
So we continue in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
eddif