Under Grace not Under Law

[Papyrus_dust]

Thank you.
The Amplified Bible has: "No one born [begotten] of God [deliberately and knowingly] habitually practices sin." 1 John 3:9

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Do Born Again People Sin?
1 John 3:9

 

[Boaz308]

hello Boaz308, dirtfarmer here

One thing that I have observed in forums is that when truths that can't be disproved by scripture because of not rightly dividing the word of truth, is that poster begin to attack the person because of their understanding of scripture. So I guess this "pointless conversation", as so call by you has ended.

What is the point in quoting scripture to some one when their response is, "that portion of scripture does not apply to me"? Seriously, think about it.

 

[JLB]

Conditional salvation is heresy!

The condition for Salvation is based on the Gospel which is repent and believe.

Anything else is Universal Salvation.

So salvation is conditional.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10


Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15



JLB

 

[Boaz308]

The condition for Salvation is based on the Gospel which is repent and believe.

Anything else is Universal Salvation.

So salvation is conditional.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10


Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15



JLB

JLB, you are wasting your time. Repentance would be a condition for their salvation. They don't believe in conditional salvation.

 

[GodsGrace]

JLB, you are wasting your time. Repentance would be a condition for their salvation. They don't believe in conditional salvation.

Time declaring the word of God is never wasted.
Many are reading along that you don't even know about.

 

[dirtfarmer]

What is the point in quoting scripture to some one when their response is, "that portion of scripture does not apply to me"? Seriously, think about it.

hello Boaz308, dirtfarmer here

According to 1 Corinthians 10:32 there are 3 types or classes of people : The Jew, the Gentile, and the Church. When you don't rightly divide the word of truth, you will take what applies to one and try to apply it to another and that causes confusion. From the beginning to Abram it is to the Gentiles, from Abram to Christ's crucifixion to the Jews, from the crucifixion to the rapture to the Church.

 

[dirtfarmer]

Time declaring the word of God is never wasted.
Many are reading along that you don't even know about.

hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

AMEN!!!!!

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Could you share the scripture that teaches us we are reborn through baptism of the holy spirit?


JLB

I'd be happy to. It is my wish this Christmas eve that this blesses you with the knowledge God imparted through His Word.
Baptism In The Holy Spirit
Baptism in the Holy Spirit - What Is It?
We should be careful to not confuse baptism in the Holy Spirit with the various other ministries of the Holy Spirit. The filling of the Holy Spirit is how He empowers and controls us (Acts 4:31; Ephesians 5:18). The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is God the Holy Spirit taking up permanent residence in our lives (John 14:17; Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19; 1 John 4:4). The sealing of the Holy Spirit is God marking us as His permanent possession (Ephesians 1:13-14). Baptism in the Holy Spirit is related to these other ministries of the Holy Spirit, but at the same time, it is separate from them. Continues here > http://www.allaboutgod.com/baptism-in-the-holy-spirit.htm

 

[Papyrus_dust]

hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

AMEN!!!!!

Indeed, no time hoping to correct falsity is ever wasted either. . Revocable Salvation and works salvation teaching is heresy, as a brother recognized early on. God's word is discerned by those who are his. It wasn't written for the atheists, and those who hate God and his truth. The parable of the sower teaches this. Mark 4

"We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers..." 1 Timothy 1:9

Mark 4:11-12 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that “they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.”

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Anyone turned on their TV this Christmas eve day ? Prosperity doctrine pastors are really going after it due to the end of the year monies they're asking to be delivered unto them by their flock.

7 False Teachers in the Church Today

 

[Papyrus_dust]

JLB, you are wasting your time. Repentance would be a condition for their salvation. They don't believe in conditional salvation.

Every Christian here knows exactly what Repentance has to do with their redemption.

Why ignore the question dirtfarmer posed to you directly?
dirtfarmer said: ↑

What about eternal is not everlasting and has conditions added to it?

 

[Papyrus_dust]

Could you share the scripture that teaches us we are reborn through baptism of the holy spirit?

We believe that genuine believers are born again by the Holy Spirit of God, and are indwelt, baptized into the body of Christ, the true church, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[JLB]

We believe that genuine believers are born again by the Holy Spirit of God, and are indwelt, baptized into the body of Christ, the true church, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Yes born again by the Holy Spirit.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit comes afterward.


Yes sealed by the Holy Spirit, as the sign of being an authentic believer, for the Day of Redemption.

The Holy Spirit is the seal of authenticity.

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14

• you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise

JLB

 

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[JLB]

Anyone turned on their TV this Christmas eve day ? Prosperity doctrine pastors are really going after it due to the end of the year monies they're asking to be delivered unto them by their flock.

7 False Teachers in the Church Today

Thank God He prospers us and blesses us in the midst of a world of greed and corruption.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Every Christian here knows exactly what Repentance has to do with their redemption.

Why ignore the question dirtfarmer posed to you directly?
dirtfarmer said: ↑

What about eternal is not everlasting and has conditions added to it?

Believing is the condition for eternal life.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Those who believe for a while then no longer believe, no longer meet the condition for eternal life.

If you have a scripture that teaches us those who do not believe any longer still have eternal life then please share it with us.


JLB

 

[Douglas Summers]

Ephesians 2:8-9
Philippians 3:9
Under Grace not Under Law

I'm under grace now, I'm no longer under the law, so I don't need to keep God's law, the ten commandments.

This is the most popular phrase I keep hearing with regards to the law of God, and keeping the Bible ten commandments. But what is the truth about being under grace and not under the law? Those professing Christians who claim that we no longer need to keep the law of God, ie, the ten commandments, often quote certain verses from the apostle Paul. One of the most popular verses being in Romans 6:14 ..... 'For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'......Full teaching

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Revelation 14:12 .....'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.'

Yes we are under grace, but that doesn't and shouldn't stop us from keeping the law of God found in the Bible ten commandments. We are no longer under the law of sin and death, as Christ Jesus has freed us from this law, the law of the flesh. He paid the full price for our sin, but we should NEVER use His grace as an excuse to carry on living in sin. So the next time you think "Oh I'm under grace not under law", take a look at the WHOLE council of God and think on what Jesus did for you. He gave you a pardon from your death sentence. Are you now going to continue breaking the very law that put you in that death sentence in the first place? Are you going to count the love of Christ so cheaply? May God guide you into His truth about being under His grace.

Hi Papyrus, Men have so mingled in the Scriptures their Adamic reasoning, that they have completely left out grace and replaced it with works and pride. They use grace as a definition of their own reasoning, when grace in Scripture is a celestial virtue of our creator. (1 Cor. 13:1-13) comes as close to a definition of grace as The Cross of Christ is an act of it.

God is the law, and His law is eternal. Without it, the world would ensue in chaos (which is evident where law is not kept). Man can not keep God's laws. The purpose of God's law was to show we needed God, but the pride of man wanted to show God how perfect he was before God, even to this day, men pride themselves by thinking they keep God's laws. (but no man is righteous.......no, not one). Some denominations pride themselves on keeping (a commandment) like the SDA, But the other nine have to be obeyed to the letter to be perfect. But now we are under the law through Christ, in whom, having His Spirit we now have an advocate who has put the Law in our minds and Spirit of grace from the penalty of the Law with an eternal high priest....it is the New Covenant of Grace. The Book of Hebrews / Romans 3:31; 7:1-8:13.

 

[JLB]

I'd be happy to. It is my wish this Christmas eve that this blesses you with the knowledge God imparted through His Word.
Baptism In The Holy Spirit
Baptism in the Holy Spirit - What Is It?
We should be careful to not confuse baptism in the Holy Spirit with the various other ministries of the Holy Spirit. The filling of the Holy Spirit is how He empowers and controls us (Acts 4:31; Ephesians 5:18). The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is God the Holy Spirit taking up permanent residence in our lives (John 14:17; Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19; 1 John 4:4). The sealing of the Holy Spirit is God marking us as His permanent possession (Ephesians 1:13-14). Baptism in the Holy Spirit is related to these other ministries of the Holy Spirit, but at the same time, it is separate from them. Continues here > http://www.allaboutgod.com/baptism-in-the-holy-spirit.htm

Seems a little convoluted but I think I understand that you believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is another Baptism, in addition to Baptism in water.

If I'm wrong, I apologize.


JLB

 

[MCoop]

The condition for Salvation is based on the Gospel which is repent and believe.

Anything else is Universal Salvation.

So salvation is conditional.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10


Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15



JLB

And the way of righteousness has been shown to you. Forgiveness of sins and the way of redemption has been shown to you.. but yet “law keepers” refuse to repent, so “that your sins may be blotted out..” Acts 3:19. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed.. by the righteousness of Christ and His merits alone God sets forth as a propitiation by His blood through faith, the forgiveness of sins; for He will save His people from their sins.. Romans 3:21. Matthew 1:21. These truths are not believed by those who hold and teach conditional salvation. They do not believe that Christ and He alone can save. Their lack of repentance is evident in their self righteous law keeping as the means of justification. And shows why if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. Galatians 2:21. So in conclusion, the conditional Salvationist have not come to repentance or believed the gospel of Christ. For they being ignorant of Gods righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:3-4.

 

[JLB]

Hi Papyrus, Men have so mingled in the Scriptures their Adamic reasoning, that they have completely left out grace and replaced it with works and pride. They use grace as a definition of their own reasoning, when grace in Scripture is a celestial virtue of our creator. (1 Cor. 13:1-13) comes as close to a definition of grace as The Cross of Christ is an act of it.

God is the law, and His law is eternal. Without it, the world would ensue in chaos (which is evident where law is not kept). Man can not keep God's laws. The purpose of God's law was to show we needed God, but the pride of man wanted to show God how perfect he was before God, even to this day, men pride themselves by thinking they keep God's laws. (but no man is righteous.......no, not one). Some denominations pride themselves on keeping (a commandment) like the SDA, But the other nine have to be obeyed to the letter to be perfect. But now we are under the law through Christ, in whom, having His Spirit we now have an advocate who has put the Law in our minds and Spirit of grace from the penalty of the Law with an eternal high priest....it is the New Covenant of Grace. The Book of Hebrews / Romans 3:31; 7:1-8:13.

Do you see Grace as being the power of God granted to us, that enables us to do what we were helpless to do without it?

IOW Grace is the Holy Spirit.The Spirit of Grace

Grace teaches us:

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
Titus 2:11-14

If we are under Grace, doesn't that mean we are under obligation to obey what the Spirit of Grace teaches us, as well as what He leads us to do?

Again, here is what the grace of God teaches us, about salvation:

...teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,

Can we a least consider these words and reconcile them into our teaching ?


JLB