What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[Cnkw3]

I have been water Baptized..
I don't hate it...
It just doesn't mean water there...in 1 Peter 3:21 ..

Of course it does. The context is about salvation through water. And you want to say that it doesn’t mean water? You must have failed reading comprehension in grade school.

Did circumcision on the outside save any one if they did not keep the Law?

If a Jew was not circumcised would he have been saved? NO! Under the new covenant; what is the “circumcision made with out hands”? Baptism. Its the removal of the sins of the flesh. You dont believe me then maybe youll believe Paul…..
Col 2:11,12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
See the semicolon. This is all one thought. Paul is explaining how baptism is the NT circumcision that is made without hands. If the nation of Israel could not be saved without circumcision then the Israel of God (which is the church) cannot be saved without the circumcision without hands explained by Paul here in Colossians. Why? Because its the point at which the sins of the flesh are removed.

The Baptism that saves...in my opinion based on the knowledge and facts I have about scriptures...is not a one time act of Baptism....yet the agency and action done by Jesus and God are. (The Spirit)

Who cares about your opinion. Show me some Bible to support this false doctrine.

Ritual cleansing were not done once by the people....under the Law..

And seeing that the law was a school master..and had foreshadows..

Then yes one could have been Hence saved....but how do they continually stay in a saved state...

Well this is not my opinion, scripture states:

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

This was written to Christians. People who had already obeyed the gospel and been baptized into Christ.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
These people had already been baptized for the remission of sins. Why do people not understand that ever single epistle is written to Christian’s. These are people that have already obeyed the gospel.

Henceforth, the act of Baptism seems to me, to be an ungoing action....taken place in the "Christ," Risen Lord..who became a quickening Spirit.....Does He only quicken once?

Baptism is a one time act. After that it is up to each Christian to live faithfully. Rev 2:10. If they sin then they are told to repent, confess and pray and the blood of Christ will continue to cleanse them. 1 Jn1:6-10

I like to say opinion...because I am learning myself....through studying...So while somethings I may see clearer..other things are not always in my face ad come together...that is why I say in my opinionation, or opinion..

One cannot be saved on opinion. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Not opinion.

Also, It's not that the truths have not set me free...many have, but many truths still need to come together for a complete picture of what I may be trying to understand at that time.....so that's why I say in my opinion....I'm not trying to win..but to learn..and if others haven't came to what I've received I'm ok..because that's between them and God....

If you're really trying to learn then good. We’ll find out here real soon how genuine this desire is.

 

[Runmyramble]

Can you be sanctified and still be in your sins? No. So at what point does the Bible say your sins are removed which is also when you would be sanctified. If you like the Bible you should easily be able to produce one of the many passages that say EXACTLY, without ambiguity, needing no interpretation, what this very point in time is.

Can you be sanctified and still be in your sins? No. So at what point does the Bible say your sins are removed which is also when you would be sanctified. If you like the Bible you should easily be able to produce one of the many passages that say EXACTLY, without ambiguity, needing no interpretation, what this very point in time is.

Recall to sanctify is to set apart...it's a process....For one can be called unto holiness by receiving the Spirit...but He still has to grow in the word......

Recall this Fact:
2 Cor 4:16

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.


In this very scripture above is the baptism..renewed by the Spirit....not by ritual washings...or traditions of man...

Traditions of men..make angry people..just look at the things you say...

 

[Runmyramble]

Of course it does. The context is about salvation through water. And you want to say that it doesn’t mean water? You must have failed reading comprehension in grade school.

If a Jew was not circumcised would he have been saved? NO! Under the new covenant; what is the “circumcision made with out hands”? Baptism. Its the removal of the sins of the flesh. You dont believe me then maybe youll believe Paul…..
Col 2:11,12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
See the semicolon. This is all one thought. Paul is explaining how baptism is the NT circumcision that is made without hands. If the nation of Israel could not be saved without circumcision then the Israel of God (which is the church) cannot be saved without the circumcision without hands explained by Paul here in Colossians. Why? Because its the point at which the sins of the flesh are removed.


Who cares about your opinion. Show me some Bible to support this false doctrine.

This was written to Christians. People who had already obeyed the gospel and been baptized into Christ.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
These people had already been baptized for the remission of sins. Why do people not understand that ever single epistle is written to Christian’s. These are people that have already obeyed the gospel.

Baptism is a one time act. After that it is up to each Christian to live faithfully. Rev 2:10. If they sin then they are told to repent, confess and pray and the blood of Christ will continue to cleanse them. 1 Jn1:6-10

One cannot be saved on opinion. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Not opinion.

If you're really trying to learn then good. We’ll find out here real soon how genuine this desire is.

Cnkw3> "Of course it does. The context is about salvation through water. And you want to say that it doesn’t mean water? You must have failed reading comprehension in grade school."

IF YOUR BAPTISM MAKES YOU SAY THINGS LIKE THIS...LOL WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO TAKE PART...

WATER IS A SYMBOL....CAN YOU SEE WATER?
IF YOU CAN DONT YOU KNOW: what is seen is temporary?

2 cor 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

 

[Runmyramble]

Of course it does. The context is about salvation through water. And you want to say that it doesn’t mean water? You must have failed reading comprehension in grade school.

If a Jew was not circumcised would he have been saved? NO! Under the new covenant; what is the “circumcision made with out hands”? Baptism. Its the removal of the sins of the flesh. You dont believe me then maybe youll believe Paul…..
Col 2:11,12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
See the semicolon. This is all one thought. Paul is explaining how baptism is the NT circumcision that is made without hands. If the nation of Israel could not be saved without circumcision then the Israel of God (which is the church) cannot be saved without the circumcision without hands explained by Paul here in Colossians. Why? Because its the point at which the sins of the flesh are removed.


Who cares about your opinion. Show me some Bible to support this false doctrine.

This was written to Christians. People who had already obeyed the gospel and been baptized into Christ.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
These people had already been baptized for the remission of sins. Why do people not understand that ever single epistle is written to Christian’s. These are people that have already obeyed the gospel.

Baptism is a one time act. After that it is up to each Christian to live faithfully. Rev 2:10. If they sin then they are told to repent, confess and pray and the blood of Christ will continue to cleanse them. 1 Jn1:6-10

One cannot be saved on opinion. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Not opinion.

If you're really trying to learn then good. We’ll find out here real soon how genuine this desire is.

Cnkw3>If a Jew was not circumcised would he have been saved? NO! Under the new covenant; what is the “circumcision made with out hands”? Baptism. Its the removal of the sins of the flesh. You dont believe me then maybe youll believe Paul…..
Col 2:11,12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
See the semicolon. This is all one thought. Paul is explaining how baptism is the NT circumcision that is made without hands. If the nation of Israel could not be saved without circumcision then the Israel of God (which is the church) cannot be saved without the circumcision without hands explained by Paul here in Colossians. Why? Because its the point at which the sins of the flesh are removed.


The Gentiles who kept the Law circumcision would have counted for them...He is the true Jew......

And no...you are incorrect in my opinionation..and my opinion is not without fact or knowledge...For here's the fact:


For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. 29 On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter.That man’s praise is not from men but from God.

 

[Runmyramble]

Of course it does. The context is about salvation through water. And you want to say that it doesn’t mean water? You must have failed reading comprehension in grade school.

If a Jew was not circumcised would he have been saved? NO! Under the new covenant; what is the “circumcision made with out hands”? Baptism. Its the removal of the sins of the flesh. You dont believe me then maybe youll believe Paul…..
Col 2:11,12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
See the semicolon. This is all one thought. Paul is explaining how baptism is the NT circumcision that is made without hands. If the nation of Israel could not be saved without circumcision then the Israel of God (which is the church) cannot be saved without the circumcision without hands explained by Paul here in Colossians. Why? Because its the point at which the sins of the flesh are removed.


Who cares about your opinion. Show me some Bible to support this false doctrine.

This was written to Christians. People who had already obeyed the gospel and been baptized into Christ.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
These people had already been baptized for the remission of sins. Why do people not understand that ever single epistle is written to Christian’s. These are people that have already obeyed the gospel.

Baptism is a one time act. After that it is up to each Christian to live faithfully. Rev 2:10. If they sin then they are told to repent, confess and pray and the blood of Christ will continue to cleanse them. 1 Jn1:6-10

One cannot be saved on opinion. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Not opinion.

If you're really trying to learn then good. We’ll find out here real soon how genuine this desire is.

CnKW3
This was written to Christians. People who had already obeyed the gospel and been baptized into Christ.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
These people had already been baptized for the remission of sins. Why do people not understand that ever single epistle is written to Christian’s. These are people that have already obeyed the gospel.

You are missing that obeying the Gospel is to believe....but you what you need to see...is that salvation is ungoing...Yes they may have received the Spirit....but our salvation is not merely about going to heaven when you die. Our salvation is what we do with the Spirit.....

you see God wants to save the whole Person...the body soul and Spirit..

and the kingdom being available to us now...mean that we dont have to wait to die to experience life from above..
the key is to get heaven into you now..
and the Salvation in a sense is not a one time event...but ungoing...meaning you can be saved from more than one thing...as being saved from the wrath of man...



This is what keeps our conscience clean before God......Walking in our call to be Holy...

The Baptism that gives us a clear conscience before God who is Spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and in truth..

Is again not just about receiving his Spirit so you can have heaven when you physically die...Its what we do with the Spirit that puts us in fellowship with God as we are living on this earth, to save us from circumstances in the life we now live among mean people and other situations.


When you see Baptism one centered...you get water...but water is symbolic of keeping commands.

For if you keep His commands(sayings or words)you have access into the presence of God. And no you do not keep His commands by trying to keep them but through faith in Jesus..in that your heart has to be cleansed first so that your deeds do what is in a cleaned heart.

Therefore the water has symbolically cleansed....the point is to have your heart and body cleansed to be in God's presence for the working of His ministry.

We come into the promises of blessing by the same faith of Abraham, the faith of Jesus; obedience to the Father.

This is meat...and for others reading...in my opinionation ❤❣

I got to go eat...this was fun

 

[jaybo]

Okayeee

I did not mean...to say that rudely...if I did I apologize.....

But even if you put it in the whole of Chapter 3 it still says the same thing...

And all of these new version are not wrong...
So you, for you are the one that does not believe that scripture says what it says...have to strive with it....not I (that's just the truth)

Are all these wrong too:
NETBible: 1 Peter 3:21

NETBible: 1 Peter 3:21

Unlike yourself, I am the one that believes what Scripture clearly says. I don't have to use single verses taken from an archaic text to try to prove false doctrine.

 

[Runmyramble]

Unlike yourself, I am the one that believes what Scripture clearly says. I don't have to use single verses taken from an archaic text to try to prove false doctrine.

Guess I'm getting another punch for no reason...so Here's the other cheek...

Love you brother/ sister...
Have a great day!

 

[Runmyramble]

Unlike yourself, I am the one that believes what Scripture clearly says. I don't have to use single verses taken from an archaic text to try to prove false doctrine.

Why would you even say that? When I posted over 5 scriptures that state the same thing. You take much out of context....you believe you understand already...so you don't want to learn..but you fight what you already know...yet you need to challenge what you have learned..and know as your truth...

And check your heart...because what you say and how you say it exemplifies if the circumcision you so "well" speak about is really curcumcumcizing your heart.

As a Christian you have been nothing but mean....Even if I could...which I couldn't because I know better, would want to listen to you to learn.....why would I?..

If being mean is what it means to be Baptized I would want nothing of it....So you say you take nothing out of context but yet your Baptism and knowledge has not lead you to love...but sarcasm and meanness.........My God is a God of Love

 

[gordon777]

Love is to lay our lives down, or we don't hear the warning how men are lovers of their own selves now..



2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

 

[Cnkw3]

Now if someone ask me about the meaning of Baptism....I could not say Baptism always means immersing someone in water...

Throughout the NT baptism means immersion in water unless the context demands otherwise. There were other baptisms discussed. Johns baptism (which was in water), there is a baptism of suffering, baptism of fire, baptism of the Hg. But the “one baptism” of Ephesians 4 would have to be great commission water baptism. It was the only one commanded by Jesus and was continue until the end of time.

But to immerse someone in the word, the teachings of God....what would that look like...

It wouldnt look like Rom 6: 2-5

If you taught someone to turn the other cheek, get rid of anger, or go the extra mile..etc...Starts with hiding words in the heart so as to do them...naturally if someone Hit you...you may want to Hit them back...but If you hid the word of God in your heart and He Lords over you, your second thought...may be to turn the other cheek.

You are describing how someone is led by the Spirit.

Therefore one is being transformed by the renewing of the mind..... because they renewed their mind with the teachings of Jesus...And when the mind is renewed then the deed on the outside will be in alignment....

This still has nothing to do with the great commission command to go and baptize.
Jesus told them first to go preach the gospel. This is the word. Then he said whoever believes that word and is baptized shall be saved. This baptism is not the same as the command to preach the gospel. They are different commands.
In Rom 10:13-15 Paul gives the pattern for salvation.
preacher preaches the word
you hear the word
you then believe the message
then you call on the name of the Lord which is directly tied to water baptism.
acts 22:16. And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Surely this seems to me how to be sanctified with the truth....set apart in holiness and purity so as to be used by God to bring others under His rule, into His Kingdom....

In Acts 18:8 we see that the Corinthians…heard, believed and were baptized. We know its water because later Paul states that he was the one that did it. Then when Paul writes 1 Cor he says this…
1 Cor 6: 9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
he said “such were some of you but you are washed, sanctified”. Had they been baptized in water? Yes. This is why Paul could say they had been sanctified and justified because there sins had been removed. This is what Ive always been taught that “justified” means…just if I had not sinned. Can you be sanctified and not justified? NO. Can you be justified and not sanctified? No. Its because God is the one that does the sanctifying and justifying.

Good example of one aspect of immersing then in the teachings under God.

As a matter of fact what was the Baptism in the red sea about? How is it they were all Baptized into Moses under the cloud and in the red Sea...and drank from the same rock???

Whose voice did the heed to?...Anyway enough for today...this all has been very exciting...

The baptism into Moses was also an immersion in water. They were completely covered in water. Walls of water on both side and the cloud (which is water) over head.

 

[Cnkw3]

You lost me...Not sure of the point you are trying to make....maybe you can elaborate..

You posted this….sanctify them in thy truth thy word is truth.
And I replied with a question. Can a person be sanctified and still in their sins? The obvious answer is no. How is a person sanctified by the truth? The same as being set free by the truth. Jn 8:32.
It is the word of truth that teaches us how to become sin free and when we are obedient to that teaching we will be
washed, sanctified and justified. 1 Cor 6
And the Bible is crystal clear at exactly what point our sins are removed. mk 16:16, acts 2;38, 22:16. Rom 6:3,4,17,18
Col 2:11-13.

you do not have to be sarcastic or mean when discussing with me...I know you believe what you believe...but with that in mind...you can have all the knowledge in the world and without love it does not avail for anything...just discuss without the extra comments...makes it more pleasant....at least in my opinionation...and not that my opinion is not without facts...because Corinthians 13 says it....❤

I was not being mean or sarcastic. All I said…was if you lIke the Bible you should easily be able to produce these passages that talk of our sins being removed. This is not mean.
Most if not everybody on this board will not give me straight Bible answers to these questions when they are so clear and easy to understand. They take no interpretation whatsoever and still people will not give a Bible answer to basic questions like this which I can only conclude that they do not much care for what the Bible says they only care to hold on to their pet doctrine. Is this you? We will find out.

If you truly love the Bible then you would do the study and post these passages. I will continue to read and see if you do or are you just going to repeat what some man or woman has taught you that cant be found in the Bible.

 

[Cnkw3]

Recall to sanctify is to set apart...it's a process....For one can be called unto holiness by receiving the Spirit...but He still has to grow in the word......

Recall this Fact:
2 Cor 4:16

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

I dont disagree with this thought. Sanctification is a process. But a person also can be “sanctified” or set apart by God at the point of obedience to the Gospel. In acts 2 after these people had obeyed the gospel we see this.….
2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
These people had been set a part from the world and now added to the body of Christ by the Lord himself. Did he add them before or after baptism?
There are two locations in this world. There is being in the world or in the body. If in the world you will be lost. Salvation is for those who are “in the body” or “in Christ”. 2 Tim 2:10
When God destroyed the world with the flood there were only two locations. Out in the world (lost) or in the ark (saved)
Its no different today. Out in the world? Lost. “In Christ” or in the body? Saved
The big question is….
How does one get “into Christ”? This is an easy question with an easy Bible answer. Lets see if you like studying the Bible.

In this very scripture above is the baptism..renewed by the Spirit....not by ritual washings...or traditions of man...

Traditions of men..make angry people..just look at the things you say...

You dont even know me. All you see is some of the replies I give to people that waste my time. I spend all this time trying to give a truthful Bible answer with scripture and explanations and everything. You then have every opportunity to use the Bible yourself and show me where and how I misused these passages but all I ever get are these one line little snarky remarks or someone telling me im following “the traditions of men” but never show me through the Bible how Im doing that. Or they’ll say something so off the wall like…..1 pet 3:21 has nothing to do with water! How am I supposed to respond to people who waste my time like this. It is very frustrating. So you tell me…who is the one showing the most love here?

Did Jesus ever get angry? Oh my. I guess he must be following the ”traditions of men”!

 

[Cnkw3]

Cnkw3> "Of course it does. The context is about salvation through water. And you want to say that it doesn’t mean water? You must have failed reading comprehension in grade school."

IF YOUR BAPTISM MAKES YOU SAY THINGS LIKE THIS...LOL WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO TAKE PART...

I said that because even my young child can read 1 pet 3:20,21 and understand that he is talking about water. Im wondering how you can’t.

WATER IS A SYMBOL....CAN YOU SEE WATER?
IF YOU CAN DONT YOU KNOW: what is seen is temporary?

Ok. Here we go. Where does it ever say…water is a symbol of a salvation you already have? I know thats what you mean so go ahead and give me all the Bible passages that say it. If not then you are just like the rest.…someone who clearly does not love the Bible and truth but only love their man made pet doctrine.

2 cor 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

This has nothing to do with baptism of any kind. All Paul is saying is that our focus should be on eternal things and not earthly. Just like Jesus said.…we are to lay up treasure in heaven and not on earth where the moth and rust destroy.
Dont be one of those people that just post random passages and then make up your own doctrine from it.

 

[Cnkw3]

Cnkw3>If a Jew was not circumcised would he have been saved? NO! Under the new covenant; what is the “circumcision made with out hands”? Baptism. Its the removal of the sins of the flesh. You dont believe me then maybe youll believe Paul…..
Col 2:11,12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
See the semicolon. This is all one thought. Paul is explaining how baptism is the NT circumcision that is made without hands. If the nation of Israel could not be saved without circumcision then the Israel of God (which is the church) cannot be saved without the circumcision without hands explained by Paul here in Colossians. Why? Because its the point at which the sins of the flesh are removed.


The Gentiles who kept the Law circumcision would have counted for them...He is the true Jew......

And no...you are incorrect in my opinionation..and my opinion is not without fact or knowledge...For here's the fact:


For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. 29 On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter.That man’s praise is not from men but from God.

Did you not study the passage I presented? The circumcision of Christ is one “made without hands”. It is the cutting off the sins of the flesh. This is not a physical cutting that you can see in the flesh. It takes place when one has their sins removed. By the way…
At what point does the Bible say our sins have been removed? How much do you love the Bible?

 

[Cnkw3]

CnKW3
This was written to Christians. People who had already obeyed the gospel and been baptized into Christ.
1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
These people had already been baptized for the remission of sins. Why do people not understand that ever single epistle is written to Christian’s. These are people that have already obeyed the gospel.

You are missing that obeying the Gospel is to believe....but you what you need to see...is that salvation is ungoing...Yes they may have received the Spirit....but our salvation is not merely about going to heaven when you die. Our salvation is what we do with the Spirit.....

you see God wants to save the whole Person...the body soul and Spirit..

and the kingdom being available to us now...mean that we dont have to wait to die to experience life from above..
the key is to get heaven into you now..
and the Salvation in a sense is not a one time event...but ungoing...meaning you can be saved from more than one thing...as being saved from the wrath of man...

Ok. I dont disagree that salvation ultimately is a process but there is a point in time that a person is “born again”, saved, remitted from sins. If that person were to die at that point they would be saved and on their way to heaven.
What is that point in time?

This is what keeps our conscience clean before God......Walking in our call to be Holy...

The Baptism that gives us a clear conscience before God who is Spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and in truth..

Is again not just about receiving his Spirit so you can have heaven when you physically die...Its what we do with the Spirit that puts us in fellowship with God as we are living on this earth, to save us from circumstances in the life we now live among mean people and other situations.


When you see Baptism one centered...you get water...but water is symbolic of keeping commands.

water is symbolic of keeping commands? Why is there no scripture to support this? Is this from you or God? If its from God he would have told us this. So, where is it?

For if you keep His commands(sayings or words)you have access into the presence of God. And no you do not keep His commands by trying to keep them but through faith in Jesus..in that your heart has to be cleansed first so that your deeds do what is in a cleaned heart.

“You dont keep his commands by trying to keep them”? Huh. Thats pretty deep.

Therefore the water has symbolically cleansed....the point is to have your heart and body cleansed to be in God's presence for the working of His ministry.

We come into the promises of blessing by the same faith of Abraham, the faith of Jesus; obedience to the Father.

This is meat...and for others reading...in my opinionation ❤❣

I got to go eat...this was fun

You gave me ZERO bible for any of this. I can only conclude you dont much care for the Bible you are only in love with yourself and your own “opinionation“.

 

[jaybo]

Why would you even say that? When I posted over 5 scriptures that state the same thing. You take much out of context....you believe you understand already...so you don't want to learn..but you fight what you already know...yet you need to challenge what you have learned..and know as your truth...

And check your heart...because what you say and how you say it exemplifies if the circumcision you so "well" speak about is really curcumcumcizing your heart.

As a Christian you have been nothing but mean....Even if I could...which I couldn't because I know better, would want to listen to you to learn.....why would I?..

If being mean is what it means to be Baptized I would want nothing of it....So you say you take nothing out of context but yet your Baptism and knowledge has not lead you to love...but sarcasm and meanness.........My God is a God of Love

This is an excellent example of both error and self-delusion.

You believe that you understand already...so you don't want to learn. (The rest of your sentence is meaningless!

"You fight what you already know"? "You need to challenge what you have learned...and know as your truth" Those are some bizarre statements!

"And check your heart...because what you say and how you say it exemplifies if the circumcision you so "well" speak about is really curcumcumcizing [sic] your heart." Even more bizarre!!!

"If being mean is what it means to be Baptized I would want nothing of it". Even more bizarre!!!

My God is a god of love. Clearly your God is a god of irrational thinking.

 

[jaybo]

Is this a joke? The word WATER is explicitly stated. Lest there be any doubt, here again are the Apostle's words...

"...because they formerly did not obey, rwhen God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but vas an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ..." (1 Peter 3:20-21)

The Apostle links the deluge to baptism. The water saved Noah and his family and the waters of baptism now saves you. We know he means actual water because he says baptism is not for the removal of dirt from one's body, but is instead salvific. If the baptism he was speaking about was symbolic, that is one sans water, it would not even be capable of removing dirt from the body. So clearly baptism requires water.

In Christianity, matter...matters.

Water in salvation history brings both death and life. It represents the destruction of the old (former ways) and recreates something new. The waters of the deluge washed the sinners away, and through it something new was created. Thus Noah and his family were saved from sin through the waters of the deluge. St. Peter draws the parallel between the saving waters of the deluge for Noah and that of the saving waters of baptism for you and I. However, he goes through the trouble of the exclusion, "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God" to demonstrate the effects of the waters of baptism act not on the exterior (washing the flesh), but rather interiorly, on the conscience and soul of man.

If you want to cleanse your flesh, you simply take a bath. If you want to cleanse your soul, you get baptized. Baptism, by definition, necessitates water.

Baptism is exactly this: the answer of a good conscience toward God. John baptized many people (for repentance), yet not one of them was saved, i.e., given eternal life, the salvation of their souls. Many, many Jews were baptized in water yet not a single one received eternal life unless they also accepted Yeshua ha Mashiach as their savior.

In other words, baptism in water, by itself, accomplishes nothing. It is nothing but a ritualistic self-statement of purity.

 

[Walpole]

Baptism is exactly this: the answer of a good conscience toward God. John baptized many people (for repentance), yet not one of them was saved, i.e., given eternal life, the salvation of their souls. Many, many Jews were baptized in water yet not a single one received eternal life unless they also accepted Yeshua ha Mashiach as their savior.

In other words, baptism in water, by itself, accomplishes nothing. It is nothing but a ritualistic self-statement of purity.

It looks like I'm off your naughty list.

The idea of baptism sans water was an invention of Zwingli, who boldly stated in his De Baptismo in 1525 that the Apostles and the fathers were actually wrong on baptism...

"In this matter of baptism - if I may be pardoned for saying it - I can only conclude that all the doctors have been in error from the time of the Apostles...At many points we shall have to tread a different path from that taken either by ancient or more modern writers or by our own contemporaries."

There's the genesis for the Protestant attack on baptism.


The Christian reality, however, is that baptism, by definition, necessitates water. Yet water by itself is not a baptism and exercises no power on its own; for it is but a material sign of what is communicated spiritually. It is only with the Holy Spirit does it become baptism. For baptism requires water and the Holy Spirit. (cf. John 3:5)


At the end of St. Matthew's Gospel, our Blessed Lord instructs His Apostles to teach and baptize all nations. He gives the Apostles the the proper form for administering the sacrament, "...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Mt 28:19)

I've asked this now multiple times and not one person has answered ---> Do you know of anyone using this form for a baptism apart from the use of water? In other words, are "dry baptisms" administered by simply saying over someone, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" sans water?

 

[Runmyramble]

This is an excellent example of both error and self-delusion.

You believe that you understand already...so you don't want to learn. (The rest of your sentence is meaningless!

"You fight what you already know"? "You need to challenge what you have learned...and know as your truth" Those are some bizarre statements!

"And check your heart...because what you say and how you say it exemplifies if the circumcision you so "well" speak about is really curcumcumcizing [sic] your heart." Even more bizarre!!!

"If being mean is what it means to be Baptized I would want nothing of it". Even more bizarre!!!

My God is a god of love. Clearly your God is a god of irrational thinking.

If you say so...take care

 

[Runmyramble]

Ok. I dont disagree that salvation ultimately is a process but there is a point in time that a person is “born again”, saved, remitted from sins. If that person were to die at that point they would be saved and on their way to heaven.
What is that point in time?

water is symbolic of keeping commands? Why is there no scripture to support this? Is this from you or God? If its from God he would have told us this. So, where is it?

“You dont keep his commands by trying to keep them”? Huh. Thats pretty deep.

You gave me ZERO bible for any of this. I can only conclude you dont much care for the Bible you are only in love with yourself and your own “opinionation“.

I honestly want to be around Good energy...so I do not believe it's beneficial to continue on in a discussion where people take personal attacks....So for peace and to continue in healthy welfare to us and to others will just put each other on ignore...
To me you just don't have to strive to tear someone down because you do not agree.......it's not helpful nor is a conversation with you going to build anyone up who is listening....peace to you...have a blessed day...