What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[Cnkw3]

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

Man baptizes in water.

Yes. Why? Because Jesus commanded them to. So, therefore this is NOT a work of man. This is a work of God. Just like faith…Jn 6:28. Rom 10:17.

for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. Acts 1:5

Baptized “with the HS”. I thought you said it is “by the HS”?

Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit.

Ok. Lets get it straight. Who does the baptizing the Spirit or Jesus? If its Jesus then your understanding of 1 Cor 12 is wrong. This is why many of the other translations (ESV, NET, MOUNCE, YLT, NRSV) use the phrase “in one Spirit” we are baptized into the body. Paul knows it is Jesus and not the Spirit doing the baptizing when it comes to Spirit baptism and he is not the author of confusion.

Rom 6 settles it. Rom 6 clearly describes water baptism as the one that places us “into Christ” or “into the body”. And it is at this point when a person is “raised to walk in newness of life” BORN AGAIN.
Please, somebody explain to me, why being “raised to walk in newness of life“ is NOT being “born again”? Because you people obviously believe that Its not even though Paul clearly says that it is.

 

[Cnkw3]

Even here you call ...what I totally back up with scripture false doctrine....

Ok. If you believe that then prove it! Lets start with Mk 16:16. at what point does this passage say we are saved? Before or After baptism? Lets start here and we can go through the others one at a time. You will have ample opportunity to prove that I am teaching false doctrine.

But that's not according to anything you have proved...
Attack the words I say and my understanding of it...
Not the person...

This is exactly what I do. And when you give me nonsense like…..1 pet 3:20,21 has nothing to do with water I may laugh or get sarcastic because youve gone too far off the reservation.. Did Elijah mock those in 1 kgs 18 who were teaching false doctrine? Yes. pretty harsh too. Where was all the love flowing out of a man of God? sometimes sarcasm and harsh truth is warranted.

If someone does not think like you, it does not validate mistreatment.
I'm working on this myself....

I agree.

For me it questions if the Baptism you preach has saved you...

Just start with my passage above and we can go from passage to passage and it we are honest we will come to the truth.

For if put in the right relationship with God it would teach us to love.....not make enemies...

Can we learn to love those who do not believe as we do? It just makes for a better atmosphere here.....

Im around them all day every day.

After this for my sanity...I just have to keep you on ignore...so You dont have to comment back. God bless...peace

So i hope this means you are not going to ignore my passage above? You cant call me a false teacher and then run! I may just have to get sarcastic and follow in Elijahs footsteps.

 

[Runmyramble]

water. Acts 10:47. Can any man forbid water? He didnt say..can any man forbid the word.

The thread is not about acts 10 but 1 Peter 3:21

But any how to address it.....we already know they already received the Spirit....so that shows the rite is for man to welcome Him into the faith....

The key was the mystery that the Jews and Gentiles were to be one...under the Same Spirit and faith....

So at this point we find it is not the "Baptism that saves us now"
It's not the outward that makes the inward clean. It's the Inward that makes the outward clean.

My back up scriptures are these:
Matthew 23:26
You [spiritually] blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the plate [examine and change your inner self to conform to God’s precepts], so that the outside [your public life and deeds] may be clean also.

Do you see why I said what I did earlier-the baptism you preach by how you attack others, questions if it actually has saved you.....Because if you were cleansed inwardly then it would have an affect on what you say outwardly.

Acts 8..Philip went down into the water. He didnt go down into the word.
Rom 6 is a beautiful description of water baptism.

Again what does this: passage have to do with the Baptism that saves us now.....when SCRIPTURE clearly states it's not the removal of dirt from the skin...

You just posted it. They are to be immersed “in the name”. This means by the authority of. And how has God commanded baptism?

For those who believe, repent and are then immersed for the remission of sins. God never commanded men to be immersed “into the word”.

That is far from the truth
Seeing that we are to hide the word in our heart.
Eat His body and drink His blood...
Remain in His teachings
Be santified by the truth, "thy word is truth"

What do you think one is Baptized in the name for? It means to come under the teachings. Submerge

Which again was exactly my point ....of the way you understand Baptism. If it makes a mean Christian has it saved you? Have you really come under the teachings of God and Christ?

The Bible ties a clear conscience before God with water baptism. 1 Pet 3:20,21. Heb 10:22

Actually it says it's Not the removal of dirt from the skin. You know how people get dirt off the skin? With water....And so it's not with water....I hope you see that.

Water is symbolic for we can relate water to what we see.....
And God uses what we see to explain what we cannot see.(what is Spiritual)

It's about having a cleansing of the conscience b4 God by the water of the word. (Water represents cleansing)

 Eph 5:22 tells us that we are cleansed "with the washing of water by the word." What things are cleansed?

Things that deal with in our minds, conduct, character and attitude—that are cleansed by water.

Water on the outside is representative of what has changed on the inside...

It's not actually about your skin being dirty...as someone said earlier so you take a bath, rather..its about your Deeds being dirty-evil....(the skin may represent the deeds of the flesh)

Hence, the Baptism that saves us is an inward cleansing of the heart by the quickening Spirit through the (preached) word.

So while you say it's not about being immerse or submerge in the teachings of Christ(the word) his life....it is!.

It's what we think inwardly that is expressed outwardly. That is why we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds








...How then do you confess with your mouth the word preached...if the word didn't quicken your Spirit and make you alive?


But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach Romans 10:8
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

-Immersed in the word-

1 Timothy 4:15-16​

15Cultivate these things. Immerse yourself in them. The people will all see you mature right before their eyes!
16Keep a firm grasp on both your character and your teaching. Don't be diverted. Just keep at it. Both you and those who hear you will experience salvation.

 

[Cnkw3]

The thread is not about acts 10 but 1 Peter 3:21

But any how to address it.....we already know they already received the Spirit....so that shows the rite is for man to welcome Him into the faith....

The key was the mystery that the Jews and Gentiles were to be one...under the Same Spirit and faith....

So at this point we find it is not the "Baptism that saves us now"
It's not the outward that makes the inward clean. It's the Inward that makes the outward clean.

My back up scriptures are these:
Matthew 23:26
You [spiritually] blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the plate [examine and change your inner self to conform to God’s precepts], so that the outside [your public life and deeds] may be clean also.

Do you see why I said what I did earlier-the baptism you preach by how you attack others, questions if it actually has saved you.....Because if you were cleansed inwardly then it would have an affect on what you say outwardly.





Again what does this: passage have to do with the Baptism that saves us now.....when SCRIPTURE clearly states it's not the removal of dirt from the skin...






That is far from the truth
Seeing that we are to hide the word in our heart.
Eat His body and drink His blood...
Remain in His teachings
Be santified by the truth, "thy word is truth"

What do you think one is Baptized in the name for? It means to come under the teachings. Submerge

Which again was exactly my point ....of the way you understand Baptism. If it makes a mean Christian has it saved you? Have you really come under the teachings of God and Christ?






Actually it says it's Not the removal of dirt from the skin. You know how people get dirt off the skin? With water....And so it's not with water....I hope you see that.

Water is symbolic for we can relate water to what we see.....
And God uses what we see to explain what we cannot see.(what is Spiritual)

It's about having a cleansing of the conscience b4 God by the water of the word. (Water represents cleansing)

 Eph 5:22 tells us that we are cleansed "with the washing of water by the word." What things are cleansed?

Things that deal with in our minds, conduct, character and attitude—that are cleansed by water.

Water on the outside is representative of what has changed on the inside...

It's not actually about your skin being dirty...as someone said earlier so you take a bath, rather..its about your Deeds being dirty-evil....(the skin may represent the deeds of the flesh)

Hence, the Baptism that saves us is an inward cleansing of the heart by the quickening Spirit through the (preached) word.

So while you say it's not about being immerse or submerge in the teachings of Christ(the word) his life....it is!.

It's what we think inwardly that is expressed outwardly. That is why we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds








...How then do you confess with your mouth the word preached...if the word didn't quicken your Spirit and make you alive?


But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach Romans 10:8
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

-Immersed in the word-

1 Timothy 4:15-16​

15Cultivate these things. Immerse yourself in them. The people will all see you mature right before their eyes!
16Keep a firm grasp on both your character and your teaching. Don't be diverted. Just keep at it. Both you and those who hear you will experience salvation.

So all someone has to do is hear the word preached and then their sins are removed because they were at that point immersed in the word. Great. Sounds great! That doctrine should save multitudes of people. I don’t know what Jesus was thinking when he gave us Matt 7:13,14.

 

[Runmyramble]

The thread is not about acts 10 but 1 Peter 3:21

But any how to address it.....we already know they already received the Spirit....so that shows the rite is for man to welcome Him into the faith....

The key was the mystery that the Jews and Gentiles were to be one...under the Same Spirit and faith....

So at this point we find it is not the "Baptism that saves us now"
It's not the outward that makes the inward clean. It's the Inward that makes the outward clean.

My back up scriptures are these:
Matthew 23:26
You [spiritually] blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the plate [examine and change your inner self to conform to God’s precepts], so that the outside [your public life and deeds] may be clean also.

Do you see why I said what I did earlier-the baptism you preach by how you attack others, questions if it actually has saved you.....Because if you were cleansed inwardly then it would have an affect on what you say outwardly.





Again what does this: passage have to do with the Baptism that saves us now.....when SCRIPTURE clearly states it's not the removal of dirt from the skin...






That is far from the truth
Seeing that we are to hide the word in our heart.
Eat His body and drink His blood...
Remain in His teachings
Be santified by the truth, "thy word is truth"

What do you think one is Baptized in the name for? It means to come under the teachings. Submerge

Which again was exactly my point ....of the way you understand Baptism. If it makes a mean Christian has it saved you? Have you really come under the teachings of God and Christ?






Actually it says it's Not the removal of dirt from the skin. You know how people get dirt off the skin? With water....And so it's not with water....I hope you see that.

Water is symbolic for we can relate water to what we see.....
And God uses what we see to explain what we cannot see.(what is Spiritual)

It's about having a cleansing of the conscience b4 God by the water of the word. (Water represents cleansing)

 Eph 5:22 tells us that we are cleansed "with the washing of water by the word." What things are cleansed?

Things that deal with in our minds, conduct, character and attitude—that are cleansed by water.

Water on the outside is representative of what has changed on the inside...

It's not actually about your skin being dirty...as someone said earlier so you take a bath, rather..its about your Deeds being dirty-evil....(the skin may represent the deeds of the flesh)

Hence, the Baptism that saves us is an inward cleansing of the heart by the quickening Spirit through the (preached) word.

So while you say it's not about being immerse or submerge in the teachings of Christ(the word) his life....it is!.

It's what we think inwardly that is expressed outwardly. That is why we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds








...How then do you confess with your mouth the word preached...if the word didn't quicken your Spirit and make you alive?


But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach Romans 10:8
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

-Immersed in the word-

1 Timothy 4:15-16​

15Cultivate these things. Immerse yourself in them. The people will all see you mature right before their eyes!
16Keep a firm grasp on both your character and your teaching. Don't be diverted. Just keep at it. Both you and those who hear you will experience salvation.

Notes: for study

Pledge towards a good conscience can be seen 2 diff ways.......

1st is that it is seen as a commitment to God through water immersing....on our end

2nd if its read like this a pledge/promise for a clear conscience...means what comes from God. HOLY SPIRIT POURED OUT....THE PROMISED SPIRIT


Our Spirit quickened by the preached or teached word of God..and the word lived out becomes Spirit and life

Does your water Baptism give you a clear conscience b4 God...to remember you are committed? OR THE ACT OF RECEIVING AND BEING CLEANSED BY THE SPIRIT


GOD IS SPIRIT....AND LOOKS AT THE HEART ...IF we walk in the Spirit the blood of Jesus cleanses us....surely that puts us in a fellowship that gives a good conscience-friendship...for it is written you are my friend If you do what I say.

But outwardly the fruits of being cleansed is good works, development of character, etc.....SI IS IT ABOUT A GOOD CONSCIENCE BEFORE MAN? OR GOD



I just listened to Vernon mcgee
You may catch this subject at the end of his recording of chapter 3 in first video

And then he goes on to explain...that the 1st part in chapter 4 He believe goes with the last part in Chatmpter 3

 

[Runmyramble]

Here's a question
Who quickened Jesus?

Interesting enough He was Flesh/ but was also Spirit

We know death can't hold Life..
We know He dis say father why have thou forsaken me...

This is getting good

Listening to Vernon Mcgee
He says some similar ideals

I can't say I know what exactly happened
But it is said Jesus gave up the Ghost..

Yet we see He was quickened by the Spirit...

Rather ghost means breath of life....I'm assuming it had to be, as a man in the flesh.

I know that some JW's dont believe in His bodily resurrection....but when He was quickened.....I'm thinking it was His body that was quickened. Something was diff..because someone was not to touch Him....(I have to find that) And maybe it's because He was sanctified...and He still had to present His blood...etc Before God in some way...(something to study)


Why is it that those who call upon the Lord shall be saved- does that just entail what it says or is there more from the context.

Peter says and not in these exact words, arise and be Baptized calling on the name of the Lord.

Interesting it says, "calling" because what came to me here also seems like an appeal/request for Help.

Those who call upon the name, who are they and what does that mean?

Well the other day I was reading and found that the generation of Enos, or name similar, begin to call up on the name of the Lord....And that in Luke Jesus came from that lineage....

Vernon McGee at the end of first Peter 3
And at the beginning of chapter 4 speaks on this subject...

 

[JLB]

There are many translations that say…”in one spirit”!
Youngs literal says this..
for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized,
This speaks of a totally different message. This passage is not saying that it was the Spirit who literally did the baptizing.
Through the Spirit we all come to same conclusion that we need to be baptized into the body. Paul uses the same language a couple of chapters earlier..
1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Dose the law literally bind the wife? No it binds by what it teaches. It teaches the wife to live a certain way.
In the same way. Does the Spirit literally do the baptizing into the body? No. He does this through his teaching. We wouldnt know anything about baptism without the teaching of the Spirit. Same for Jesus as Lord, read 1 cor 12:3

Rom 6 and Gal 3 clearly teach that it is water baptism that places us “into Christ” Or “into the body“. They are one and the same.



How can the Spirit be the one baptizing in himself? The “Spirit baptizes in the Spirit’? Really! I thought the text tells us that it is Jesus that does the baptizing “with the Spirit”.? Get it straight! Here in a couple of sentences you’re about to change it up and tell me ‘’Jesus baptizes us with Spirit”. Is it jesus or the Spirit doing the baptizing? You cant have it both ways and Paul is not going to contradict Jesus.

Fine. But at what point is a person ”born again”, made alive, quickened, raised to walk in newness of life? The Bible is very clear on this.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

Man does not make us drink into one Spirit.
Man does not baptize us into Christ.
We are born of the Spirit, by the work of the Spirit, not man.

The Baptism associated with being born again, is when the Spirit baptized us into Christ. This is a work of the Spirit; being born of the Spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


This baptism is what causes us to be “in Christ”, joined to Christ in which we are one Spirit with Christ.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17


All of which is the work of grace; the Spirit of grace.

Your theology exalts the work of the Spirit, to man; a man centered salvation, which seems to find its focus in natural water and the effort of man.


The three different baptisms are typified to use earthly things to teach us spiritual truths.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

• all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea

The children of Israel were first “baptized into Moses”, when the obeyed the Passover command, which is a type of the Gospel.

Being “in Moses” they left Egypt and proceeded to follow him.

Baptism in water is for believers, people who are born again.

We are not born again by being dunked in water, we are born again when we believe and therefore obey the Gospel.


JLB

 

[Runmyramble]

So all someone has to do is hear the word preached and then their sins are removed because they were at that point immersed in the word. Great. Sounds great! That doctrine should save multitudes of people. I don’t know what Jesus was thinking when he gave us Matt 7:13,14.

I think you have forgotten where I got that from. Which was the so called, "Great Commission"

I was showing that the passage in Mark ...and the Great Comission were the same event expressed by 2 diff people.
So to explain one, we could use the other.

Let's go to Matthew 28....as I did referred to a couple of times in earlier post.


18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.



19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Ok so according to the above how do they teach all nations?

Answer: "Baptizing" in the name of the trinity.




20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:

According to the above How do they baptize in the name of the Trinity?

Answer: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever Jesus has commanded them

So.....to baptize them is to teach them to do the word?(Jesus's teachings) which to me is the narrow way- because it seems the wide way is our own way..
note:

look at other translations
Teach them to do all I have commanded...

Now why is this......? Because it's not the hearer of the word that is justified before God but the doer.....

But under the new Cov we uphold the Law through the faith/ faithfulness of Jesus.

What happens when we do what is commanded?

The father and son come in and make their abode with us.....(peace and Joy in the HolyGost is what the kingdom is]

and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[Runmyramble]

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

Man does not make us drink into one Spirit.
Man does not baptize us into Christ.
We are born of the Spirit, by the work of the Spirit, not man.

The Baptism associated with being born again, is when the Spirit baptized us into Christ. This is a work of the Spirit; being born of the Spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


This baptism is what causes us to be “in Christ”, joined to Christ in which we are one Spirit with Christ.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17


All of which is the work of grace; the Spirit of grace.

Your theology exalts the work of the Spirit, to man; a man centered salvation, which seems to find its focus in natural water and the effort of man.


The three different baptisms are typified to use earthly things to teach us spiritual truths.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

• all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea

The children of Israel were first “baptized into Moses”, when the obeyed the Passover command, which is a type of the Gospel.

Being “in Moses” they left Egypt and proceeded to follow him.

Baptism in water is for believers, people who are born again.

We are not born again by being dunked in water, we are born again when we believe and therefore obey the Gospel.


JLB

I was just reading something else you wrote...Tks for your input...I'm learning❤

 

[Cnkw3]

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

Man does not make us drink into one Spirit.
Man does not baptize us into Christ.

Of course he does. Look at Rom 6..
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Paul plainly tells these Christians who had already been baptized in water that they had been “baptized into Christ”.
He then goes on to describe the baptism he was talking about. We know this because he uses the word ”therefore”
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
”buried” with him by baptism. This is water Baptism. It looks just like a burial.
Raised up like Jesus. This is what water baptism looks like…a resurrection.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
”planted“. This again is what happens in water baptism. The recipient is “planted” into the water. How does ANY of this look like a Spirit baptism? It doesn’t!
What this proves is that the ”baptism into Christ” or “into the body” is a planting, burial, resurrection. This is water baptism!
The ONLY spirit baptism examples we have…acts 2 and 10 look nothing like this.

 

[Runmyramble]

NOTES:

Looking at 1 Peter 3:21 the subject at hand....if you have to make a follower..are they already Christians?

Life is Salvation...(the question boils down to the Gospel that was preached.

People may have begin to know how to enter Life-The kingdom that was at hand.

Because the law was said to be until John and after which the kingdom of God was preached.

What I think I'm seeing is
The Baptism is not neccessary a one time event for people. (As mentioned the other Baptisms)On the other hand, Jesus's Baptism was...for He died once and lives forever and will never die again.

Ok...so Put into Christ...is one type of Baptism? Just learned

Oh I get it.. it's what's being washed (body, soul, Spirit)


What puts us in relationship with God?
We know His Son conquered death...so we should not be concerned with things That bring death.

So reconciliation happened according to scripture by His death......

Why? that we might be brought to God(justified)by His Life.

His teachings as God's commands are Life.

The word is quick- The word quickens
The world was made through the Word, God calling things into existence.

Life is key when Jesus according to VMegee spoke, He was quickened by the Spirit. Only a few were obedient and obeyed the truth and therefore they were saved through the waters.

So while one is put into Christ, which to me, being that the ark remained above the waters. The Baptism is living off THINGS PERTAINING TO Life

We are made alive by the living, enduring word of God...that quickens our Spirit.

So I do see this Baptism as Putting off the flesh by Living by the Spirit...which means the Spirit itself is an agency in which we are cleansed.

The key is you can't put off the flesh by the flesh....!yes! I think it's the new nature that simply is saying live by the truth....and the rest disappears..

That is why in Romans... Paul says -who can save us from this body of death..."Jesus Christ out Lord"



The question is then is the Word Baptism a noun, verb or a process..in 1 Peter 3:21

It's a noun, but in the noun is activity





God is not the God of the dead but the living......
SO WE MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE

 

[gordon777]

God Anointed ( baptized) Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power. Knowledge is power, and the knowledge of salvation is by the remission of our sins.

I just made a new thread, for a more fuller, complete way of understanding the knowledge of Christ, for both the baptism we need to be baptized with (same baptism that Christ was baptized of) and to drink of the cup of Christ ( the same cup He drank of.)

 

[Runmyramble]

Baptized into his death......

In order to be baptized-imersed in His life(teachings, things He did on Earth)

Is God his word....?

That's why it's through the resurrection..
It's all about life....Life now...

Walk in the newness of life

 

[Cnkw3]

I think you have forgotten where I got that from. Which was the so called, "Great Commission"

I was showing that the passage in Mark ...and the Great Comission were the same event expressed by 2 diff people.
So to explain one, we could use the other.

Let's go to Matthew 28....as I did referred to a couple of times in earlier post.


18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.



19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Ok so according to the above how do they teach all nations?

Answer: "Baptizing" in the name of the trinity.

When you compare this to Mk 16 what is jesus saying? In Mk 16 he commanded the apostles to go preach the gospel to every creature. Is this not the same as “teach all nations”? Yes. Then what was to take place AFTER the preaching/teaching? They were to baptize believers in water in order to be saved. I do not believe that Jesus would tell his disciples to do one thing and then shortly there after tell them to do something totally different, but this is exactly what you have him doing. There is no consistency in your message.
How is one saved? By first hearing the word preached or taught. Then believe the message presented and then be baptized in water in order to be saved. Salvation does not come at the point of hearing the word.

 

[Runmyramble]

Baptized into his death......

In order to be baptized-imersed in His life(teachings, things He did on Earth)

Is God his word....?

That's why it's through the resurrection..
It's all about life....Life now...

Walk in the newness of life

Reminds me of the thought Christ is in us but are we in Christ....

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come

When you compare this to Mk 16 what is jesus saying? In Mk 16 he commanded the apostles to go preach the gospel to every creature. Is this not the same as “teach all nations”? Yes. Then what was to take place AFTER the preaching/teaching? They were to baptize believers in water in order to be saved. I do not believe that Jesus would tell his disciples to do one thing and then shortly there after tell them to do something totally different, but this is exactly what you have him doing. There is no consistency in your message.
How is one saved? By first hearing the word preached or taught. Then believe the message presented and then be baptized in water in order to be saved. Salvation does not come at the point of hearing the

 

[Runmyramble]

Reminds me of the thought Christ is in us but are we in Christ....

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come

You just can't seem to be positive...
And you make statements that are not true...I never said they did not Baptize in water....after people were saved.

And to get right back on subject( ignoring the attack...because you could never prove I've been inconsistent) The discussion is about 1 Peter 3:21 the Baptism that saves you now....

What was PREFIGURED actually happened....

And it PREFIGURED the Baptism that saves us now...

The answer to God for a clear conscience is life-the quickening by the Holy Ghost through the preached word.

Salvation is life with God...what we are doing with Christ now.

There are many scriptures that show this...
If you walk by the spirit you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

If you love me you will keep my commands and the father and I will come in and make our abode.

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I'm excited, and have learned alot...
And will keep learning......❤❣

 

[jaybo]

You just can't seem to be positive...
And you make statements that are not true...I never said they did not Baptize in water....after people were saved.

And to get right back on subject( ignoring the attack...because you could never prove I've been inconsistent) The discussion is about 1 Peter 3:21 the Baptism that saves you now....

What was PREFIGURED actually happened....

And it PREFIGURED the Baptism that saves us now...

The answer to God for a clear conscience is life-the quicken by the Holy Ghost through the preached word.

Salvation is life with God...what we are doing with Christ now.

There are many scriptures that show this...
As walk by the spirit and you should not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

If you love me you will keep my commands and the father and I will come in and make our abode.

....
I'm excited, and have learned alot...
And will keep learning......❤❣

It is poor exegesis to base any doctrine on part of a single verse, taken out of context.

You can take anything out of context, for example, Psalm 14:1 contains the words "there is no God".

Here is the context...

1 Peter 3:18-22, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him."

It clearly says that baptism (here) is the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. What saves you is "the resurrection of Jesus Christ". If baptism saves people then why weren't all the people that John baptized in water saved, with no need for a Savior?

 

[Runmyramble]

I have to find the article ...about the difference between the Spirit coming upon and coming in....I meant to do that awhile ago...for Jerry

 

[Cnkw3]

Reminds me of the thought Christ is in us but are we in Christ....

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come

How does one get….”into Christ”?
Rom 6.
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Paul is including himself in this. Was Paul baptized in water? Yes. He then continues in describing this process.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
This baptism is a burial. What does water baptism look like? Looks like a person being buried.
This baptism is also a resurrection. What does water baptism look like? A raising up out of the water.
This baptism is a “planting”. What does water baptism look like? Someone being planted down into the water.
Paul explains this action as being….”raised to walk in newness of life“. Why is this? Its because this is the point when a believer has his sins removed. Mk 16:16; Acts2:38, 22:16
A few verses later Paul says..They had obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine. “Being then made free from sin”! When were they made free from sin? AFTER they had obeyed the ”baptism into Christ”.
If a person is “raised to walk in newness of life”, is this not the person becoming a new creature”? Of course it is.
THis person has now had all sins removed and has been born again! A new creation!

 

[Runmyramble]

NOTES:

Looking at 1 Peter 3:21 the subject at hand....if you have to make a follower..are they already Christians?

Life is Salvation...(the question boils down to the Gospel that was preached.

People may have begin to know how to enter Life-The kingdom that was at hand.

Because the law was said to be until John and after which the kingdom of God was preached.

What I think I'm seeing is
The Baptism is not neccessary a one time event for people. (As mentioned the other Baptisms)On the other hand, Jesus's Baptism was...for He died once and lives forever and will never die again.

Ok...so Put into Christ...is one type of Baptism? Just learned

Oh I get it.. it's what's being washed (body, soul, Spirit)


What puts us in relationship with God?
We know His Son conquered death...so we should not be concerned with things That bring death.

So reconciliation happened according to scripture by His death......

Why? that we might be brought to God(justified)by His Life.

His teachings as God's commands are Life.

The word is quick- The word quickens
The world was made through the Word, God calling things into existence.

Life is key when Jesus according to VMegee spoke, He was quickened by the Spirit. Only a few were obedient and obeyed the truth and therefore they were saved through the waters.

So while one is put into Christ, which to me, being that the ark remained above the waters. The Baptism is living off THINGS PERTAINING TO Life

We are made alive by the living, enduring word of God...that quickens our Spirit.

So I do see this Baptism as Putting off the flesh by Living by the Spirit...which means the Spirit itself is an agency in which we are cleansed.

The key is you can't put off the flesh by the flesh....!yes! I think it's the new nature that simply is saying live by the truth....and the rest disappears..

That is why in Romans... Paul says -who can save us from this body of death..."Jesus Christ out Lord"



The question is then is the Word Baptism a noun, verb or a process..in 1 Peter 3:21

It's a noun, but in the noun is activity





God is not the God of the dead but the living......
SO WE MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE

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Reminds me of the thought Christ is in us but are we in Christ....

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come

How does one get….”into Christ”?
Rom 6.
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Yes and how were they Baptized into Christ? What is the message He is trying to get accross?

Paul is including himself in this. Was Paul baptized in water? Yes. He then continues in describing this process.

Let's see what scripture states:
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Yes that's our Baptism walking in the Newness of life...[quickened by the Spirit through the word....]

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

There again in green...our Baptism is about life through the Spirit

This baptism is a burial. What does water baptism look like? Looks like a person being buried.

True it can mean that...but in the case of 1 Peter 3...the good conscience is found where ? The resurrection...Another words if you are walking in the light you are not walking in darkness at the same time...

Recall the scripture if we walk in the light we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

If one is in the Light....they should also walk in it...Because God is in the Light...

This baptism is also a resurrection. What does water baptism look like? A raising up out of the water.

Symbolically it can mean immersed in water....but one can be immersed in His teachings, the word, etc...

This baptism is a “planting”. What does water baptism look like? Someone being planted down into the water.
Paul explains this action as being….”raised to walk in newness of life“. Why is this? Its because this is the point when a believer has his sins removed. Mk 16:16; Acts2:38, 22:16
A few verses later Paul says..They had obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine. “Being then made free from sin”! When were they made free from sin? AFTER they had obeyed the ”baptism into Christ”.

I already shared but here is something you can read...at least I received what I agreed with....
was paul baptized by immersion

was paul baptized by immersion

If a person is “raised to walk in newness of life”, is this not the person becoming a new creature”? Of course it is.
THis person has now had all sins removed and has been born again! A new creation!

People do not always become what they are meant to...They may be called to do a service but may have had some bad knowledge.....Just like when a mother is with Child..Sometimes things don't come to full term...