What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[Consecrated Life]

We all should realize it is the belief of the person being baptized that matters.
Not the spiritual state of the one doing the immersing.

The pride and phony appearance of power is all that matters in the ritual.
It's all about pride in the observable power of the flesh .
The very thing Christ despised .
This is why baptismal certifications feature the Official Title and High "holy" authority of the baptizer .

You need to the further examine and fully understand the ritual of the flesh you are advocating.

 

[Cnkw3]

The pride and phony appearance of power is all that matters in the ritual.

Have no idea what you are talking about here.

It's all about pride in the observable power of the flesh .
The very thing Christ despised .

Baptism in water? It’s all about pride? Still don’t get it.

This is why baptismal certifications feature the Official Title and High "holy" authority of the baptizer .

You need to the further examine and fully understand the ritual of the flesh you are advocating.

Says who? Book chapter and verse please.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Have no idea what you are talking about here.

Baptism in water? It’s all about pride? Still don’t get it.

Says who? Book chapter and verse please.

They are not books, they are certificates.
Baptismal certificates featuring the holy person of power officiating the ritual .
You need to research the ritual you are advocating and then you will be able to speak to the fact of why there are offical Baptismal Certificates issued featuring the name and holy authority of the baptizer ?

 

[Cnkw3]

They are not books, they are certificates.
Baptismal certificates featuring the holy person of power officiating the ritual .
You need to research the ritual you are advocating and then you will be able to speak to the fact of why there are offical Baptismal Certificates issued featuring the name and holy authority of the baptizer ?

Who gets a “baptismal certificate”? Nobody I have ever met.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Who gets a “baptismal certificate”? Nobody I have ever met.

Really ?
So is it your opinion that the majority of baptized people today did not receive any document in connection ?

 

[Mungo]

They are not books, they are certificates.
Baptismal certificates featuring the holy person of power officiating the ritual .
You need to research the ritual you are advocating and then you will be able to speak to the fact of why there are offical Baptismal Certificates issued featuring the name and holy authority of the baptizer ?

A Baptism Certificate I understand but what is all this "featuring the holy person of power officiating the ritual" and what has it to do with pride?

 

[Hopeful]

Yes. We are baptized into Christ by the Spirit.


Paul teaches us we must present the members of our body as members of righteousness, thereby no longer presenting our members as slaves to sin. The sin that continues to dwell in our flesh.


There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


We are not to walk according to our flesh. Why?


Why are we to not walk according to our flesh if it is sinless?


Our flesh still contains sin.




JLB

It isn't OUR flesh anymore.
It is the temple of the Holy Ghost...and it is pure.

 

[Hopeful]

There is only one verse in post 512. I’ve dealt with it.
You are correct. There are many passages that deal with baptism. Rom 6 is a great description of exactly what baptism is and what is for. He is drawing a picture so there is no confusion.
Here are a few that mention baptism.
Maybe you can help me..
Mk 16:16. Is this water?
Matt 28: 19. Water?
Acts 2:38. Water?
Acts 8: 12,13. Water?
Acts 8:38,39. Water?
Acts 10: 48 Water?
Acts 16:15. Water?
Acts 16:33. Water?
Acts 18:8. Water?
Acts 19:5. Water?
Acts 22:16. Water?
Please tell me which ones are water and which ones are not. This is very important and nobody wants to go down the list. These converts are examples for us. We are not saved in a different way from the very first converts. It is called a “common salvation” for a reason. Did these people above just accept Jesus as savior without being immersed in water? If so we need to know. If not then we can quit teaching that doctrine because we’ll know it’s false.

There is Johns baptism that is no longer in effect.
There is HS baptism that is no longer in effect. If it is then show me the examples where the Spirit was baptizing all of these converts in the book of acts.
There is great commission baptism in water that is still in effect today. This is the “one baptism” of Eph 4. We know this is the one baptism because Jesus commanded it to be done AFTER preaching the gospel in order to save sinners. Mk 16:16. Acts 2:38. Please show me where Jesus EVER commanded HS baptism! He never did. There is actually more then 3 baptisms, like the baptism unto Moses, baptism of suffering, baptism of fire which is yet to come. So if you want to talk baptisms plural I am more then happy to do that.

Why do you think the Holy Spirit baptism is no longer in effect?
Isn't it promised my Peter at the same time he commanded water baptism in Acts 2:38?
Holy Spirit baptism is the same as the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Cornelius and the twelve at Ephesus are the best examples of both these baptisms.

 

[Consecrated Life]

A Baptism Certificate I understand but what is all this "featuring the holy person of power officiating the ritual" and what has it to do with pride?

Full of pride and immorality they are.
Pride and prestige are the motivation behind the administrators of the baptismal performance .
Adorning themselves in silk robes and luxurious surroundings at the expense of the those poor who assist them in their performance.
You will find none of them living less than in the lap of luxury.
The poor do get a certificate however.

Mar 1:6
And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

 

[Hopeful]

Really ?
So is it your opinion that the majority of baptized people today did not receive any document in connection ?

If their repentance form sin was true, they will get the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And that is manifested by speaking in tongues.
Why would we need "paperwork"?

 

[jaybo]

Why do you think the Holy Spirit baptism is no longer in effect?
Isn't it promised my Peter at the same time he commanded water baptism in Acts 2:38?
Holy Spirit baptism is the same as the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Cornelius and the twelve at Ephesus are the best examples of both these baptisms.

Of course the Holy Spirit baptism is in effect, and has been since the day of Pentecost. Anyone who denies this (or even doubts it) hasn't received it (or has and isn't aware of it, which is tragic.)

 

[jaybo]

A Baptism Certificate I understand but what is all this "featuring the holy person of power officiating the ritual" and what has it to do with pride?

You really don't understand this??? Don't your "priests" officiate the ritual of baptism?

 

[jaybo]

If their repentance form sin was true, they will get the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And that is manifested by speaking in tongues.
Why would we need "paperwork"?

I didn't receive any paperwork when I was baptized in water, but I did receive the gift of speaking in tongues prior to my baptism. In other words, I was first baptized in the Holy Spirit, then I was symbolically buried and resurrected as the new person I had become in Christ.

All the theorizing about baptism is just that -- theory -- to me.

 

[Mungo]

Full of pride and immorality they are.
Pride and prestige are the motivation behind the administrators of the baptismal performance .
Adorning themselves in silk robes and luxurious surroundings at the expense of the those poor who assist them in their performance.
You will find none of them living less than in the lap of luxury.
The poor do get a certificate however.

Mar 1:6
And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

There is nothing prideful
Just because you say it is doesn't make it true.

 

[Mungo]

You really don't understand this??? Don't your "priests" officiate the ritual of baptism?

Hi jaybo. I thought you were ignoring me!
Priests and deacons officiate, but what is your point?
Baptism certificates have a practical purpose.

 

[Mungo]

I didn't receive any paperwork when I was baptized in water, but I did receive the gift of speaking in tongues prior to my baptism. In other words, I was first baptized in the Holy Spirit, then I was symbolically buried and resurrected as the new person I had become in Christ.

All the theorizing about baptism is just that -- theory -- to me.

Any scripture to support that?

No, I thought not.

 

[Mungo]

Why do you think the Holy Spirit baptism is no longer in effect?
Isn't it promised my Peter at the same time he commanded water baptism in Acts 2:38?
Holy Spirit baptism is the same as the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit is given at baptism (in water) but that is not the (so called) Baptism of the Spirit.

Cornelius and the twelve at Ephesus are the best examples of both these baptisms.

Yes and no.
Yes because both baptism in water and the (so-called) Baptism of the Holy Spirit are seperate events at both.
But no because Cornelius is a special case - see my post #56

 

[Hopeful]

I didn't receive any paperwork when I was baptized in water, but I did receive the gift of speaking in tongues prior to my baptism. In other words, I was first baptized in the Holy Spirit, then I was symbolically buried and resurrected as the new person I had become in Christ.

All the theorizing about baptism is just that -- theory -- to me.

Too bad your burial and resurrection with Christ was only symbolic.
It was a real event for me, thanks be to God.

 

[Hopeful]

Any scripture to support that?

No, I thought not.

Did the 3000 on the day of Pentecost get any "paper work"?
How about the Thyatiran jailor?
Lydia?

 

[Hopeful]

The Holy Spirit is given at baptism (in water) but that is not the (so called) Baptism of the Spirit.

Not necessarily, as a true "turn from" sin is also necessary.
And yes, water baptism usually happens before the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Yes and no.
Yes because both baptism in water and the (so-called) Baptism of the Holy Spirit are seperate events at both.

Correct, showing that there is more than just one baptism in each instance.

But no because Cornelius is a special case - see my post #56

Cornelius' case differed only in that it was set up by God to impress upon the visiting Jews that God had also accepted the Gentiles into the church.
They received the gift of the Holy Ghost before their water baptism.