What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[Consecrated Life]

If their repentance form sin was true, they will get the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And that is manifested by speaking in tongues.
Why would we need "paperwork"?

That you are in fear to answer a straightforward question speaks to your premise being of man not of God, but nevertheless is an answer in itself
Do you believe the majority of baptized people today receive a document with the baptizers name and holy status fully displayed.
Why do you think there is no reference to people receiving baptismal certificates in the bible ?

 

[jaybo]

Too bad your burial and resurrection with Christ was only symbolic.
It was a real event for me, thanks be to God.

So you actually died and were buried, then resurrected? Can you share the newspaper clipping about this miracle?

 

[Runmyramble]

Too bad your burial and resurrection with Christ was only symbolic.
It was a real event for me, thanks be to God.

Hi, Can you share what happened at your Baptism..tkd

 

[Runmyramble]

That you are in fear to answer a straightforward question speaks to your premise being of man not of God, but nevertheless is an answer in itself
Do you believe the majority of baptized people today receive a document with the baptizers name and holy status fully displayed.
Why do you think there is no reference to people receiving baptismal certificates in the bible ?

I received one...and my Dad Baptized me..

 

[JLB]

There is Johns baptism that is no longer in effect.

Is John‘s baptism from heaven or from men?


If John’s baptism, the baptism in water is no longer in effect, then please provide the scripture that says baptism in water is no longer in effect.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Wow! How tricky! Are you doing this on purpose? You know good and well this promise above WAS NOT made to you and me.

The promise of the Father is made to all.

For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Acts 2:39




JLB

 

[JLB]

And I have always seen it as "a one time deal" as you are put in with the body of believers......

Yes, you are now “in Christ” along with those who are “in Christ” and are now joined to Christ, being made one with Christ; one spirit with Him.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:1

Thus we are one “in Christ”.

This is the work of the Spirit, not man.




JLB

 

[JLB]

It isn't OUR flesh anymore.
It is the temple of the Holy Ghost...and it is pure.

You body is indeed the temple of the Holy Spirit.


The Temple is made up of three distinct areas.


The outer court.
The holy place
The holy of holies.


Where was the Ark of the Covenant placed?



The outer court?
The holy place?
The holy of holies?





JLB

 

[JLB]

Too bad your burial and resurrection with Christ was only symbolic.
It was a real event for me, thanks be to God.

We have not been resurrected yet. This will take place for all, at His coming.


Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54



For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23




JLB

 

[Walpole]

Quote from Dallas Willard

"Immerse them together in the presence of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yes, baptize them in the name, but, dear friends, that doesn't just mean getting them wet while you say those names. It means to immerse them in the Reality.”

Immersed in reality? That sounds more like Deepak Chopra than our Blessed Lord.

Our Blessed Lord said you MUST be born of the water and the Spirit. Christians call this baptism. Just like at Jesus' baptism, where He went into the water and the Spirit came upon Him, so too is what happens in Christian baptism.

Again, Jesus' last instructions are to teach and baptize. He then gives the proper form: "...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

Question #1 ---> Can you demonstrate where someone is baptized dry, that is, using the form given by Jesus where someone is baptized without a single drop of water?

a. Yes
b. No


Question #2 ---> If I went to your church and asked for a dry baptism with just the Spirit and no water - as you and others are arguing - would your pastor simply say over me, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" and would I therefore be considered baptized?

a. Yes
b. No


New question --> Have you ever been to a baptism where the baptizer says, "I baptize you into reality"?

a. Yes
b. No


If Jesus said you must be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and if this is the ONE dry baptism you are advocating, you should be able to demonstrate this form being used for the dry baptism. If not, then you would have no way of knowing if you are even baptized. So, have you ever seen someone baptized using the form given by Jesus without any water?

How does one get baptized into reality????

 

[Walpole]

One thing I do on this Forum and I'm not trying to boast...but I have to do it....Even If there are many Catholics here..

Is I do not limit myself nor trap myself in limiting God to a doctrine... I don't understand everything but as I meditate
and study I been seeing things revealed that I never saw.

As said earlier you know what you want to believe and are sticking to your Chatholicism...and your mind will not be open until you let truth in...Your understanding, and I'm not trying to agitate, is limited to your Catholic doctrines.

So if you really want to see...you have to open your eyes. You are fighting against understanding.

Your questions in a sense Have been answered but your eyes are not open.

If I said God is not dead He is alive...would you see that Baptism, the one spoken of as a reality "life"

If I said life breeds life..? No you would not understand....God is not limited to our boxes we try to place Him in and interpret from.

I had to learn this as a Baptist.....
Boxes are things you must believe to fit into peoples groups so that they can judge if you are hell and heaven bound.

But salvation and deliverence are not in boxes man's doctrines. It's in a Person who is to be believed on for who He is.

That is why there is no boasting In Christ...

No one is changing the truth here...The fact that many people are not like those we witness in the Bible is because of those boxes we try to limit God in. And of course the way language and word meaning has been distorted over time.

So someone can answer your question but you will not see until your eyes are opened...(I'm not saying that negatively)

In here I am learning, I am always learning. The only thing I need pin pointed down is that the revelation of Christ is the foundation. Everything else will grow from the foundation of Christ.

While your foundation seems to be on men....which is why you see what you see so differently. So for right now it is what it is....Peace and blessing

Non-sequitur. (No relevant content.)

For if there were such a thing as a salvific dry baptism (into reality or whatever else you are now claiming you are baptized into), you would be able to easily answer my questions, which you and others have all dodged.

In Christianity, matter...matters.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I received one...and my Dad Baptized me..

Do you think the majority of baptized received one as well ?

 

[Walpole]

That you are in fear to answer a straightforward question speaks to your premise being of man not of God, but nevertheless is an answer in itself
Do you believe the majority of baptized people today receive a document with the baptizers name and holy status fully displayed.
Why do you think there is no reference to people receiving baptismal certificates in the bible ?

This is too funny. I guess you didn't think this one through too well...

The fact that you know people in the Bible were baptized, such as our Blessed Lord Himself, is the ultimate baptismal certificate!

Oops!

 

[Consecrated Life]

This is too funny. I guess you didn't think this one through too well...

The fact that you know people in the Bible were baptized, such as our Blessed Lord Himself, is the ultimate baptismal certificate!

Oops!

So why then this present day incessant need to issue baptismal certificates to everyone as though they they were vaccinated ?
And even accepting the baptismal certificate as part and parcel of the performance why the need to prominently display the name and holy status of the baptizer when it has been established that they are an immaterial , non-factor in the process?

 

[Hopeful]

That you are in fear to answer a straightforward question speaks to your premise being of man not of God, but nevertheless is an answer in itself

?

Do you believe the majority of baptized people today receive a document with the baptizers name and holy status fully displayed.

I don't know anyone who has papers verifying their spiritual status.

Why do you think there is no reference to people receiving baptismal certificates in the bible ?

I have never read of one.
Perhaps it is because the gift of tongues eclipses any doubt.

 

[Hopeful]

So you actually died and were buried, then resurrected? Can you share the newspaper clipping about this miracle?

Yes, Yes, No.
My old life ended just as Paul writes in Rom 6:3-7..."Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Why don't you believe him?

 

[Hopeful]

Hi, Can you share what happened at your Baptism..tkd

I was walked into a creek's water as a man dead in trespasses and sins, and I came out a new creature.

 

[Hopeful]

You body is indeed the temple of the Holy Spirit.

The Temple is made up of three distinct areas.
The outer court.
The holy place
The holy of holies.
Where was the Ark of the Covenant placed?
The outer court?
The holy place?
The holy of holies?

I am sure it is written in the bible, in the section titled Old Testament.
The new temple is of the New Testament.

 

[Hopeful]

We have not been resurrected yet. This will take place for all, at His coming.

True.
Thankfully though, Paul wrote..."Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after." (1 Tim 5:24)
And..."For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom 6:23)
Together they tell us some have already been paid the wage for their sins.
The resurrection will unveil my new, eternal, vessel.

Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

Yep, the final disposition of my vessel is still to be seen.
In the mean time, it is His to use for His glory.

 

[Runmyramble]

Yes, you are now “in Christ” along with those who are “in Christ” and are now joined to Christ, being made one with Christ; one spirit with Him.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:1

Thus we are one “in Christ”.

This is the work of the Spirit, not man.




JLB

I think I'm still trying to understand something...

We know we were not saved by anything we had done but by the washing of regeneration (WOR)and...renewal of the Holy Ghost...(RHG)

Now...And if I may asked, How would you explain that passage.

In my immediate thought...If the above is not what we have done, then it's what Jesus or God has done.

Because if Jesus was not obedient onto death... there would be no reconciliation and if He did not raise....How would we be able to live by His life...

So is this Speaking of His Baptism into death and His renewal by the Holy Ghost?

So then as to say we are saved by God's faithfulness...

Or is this Speaking of the New birth experience....being put into what Christ has already done...as Positional Justification...or imputed righteousnes...when we trust who He is with intent to follow.

Non-sequitur. (No relevant content.)

For if there were such a thing as a salvific dry baptism (into reality or whatever else you are now claiming you are baptized into), you would be able to easily answer my questions, which you and others have all dodged.

In Christianity, matter...matters.

If you say so...sister or brother...Take care